Yes! If it was sincere, accompanied by the willingness to repent from your sins (change course, but it can be a lifelong struggle) and not conceived as just a formality.
Can Jesus and Paul be reconciled on the LAW?
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Yes! If it was sincere, accompanied by the willingness to repent from your sins (change course, but it can be a lifelong struggle) and not conceived as just a formality.
It is scripture that "tells" me to reprove (Timothy), it was God who seeded the thought of false scripture at the very begining Deuteronomy 4:2 so I see no problem taking my time here! If I am in error so be it, I can humble myself when I know I am in error or proven wrong (happy for gaining new truth) that is what forums are for....or are we all just preaching to the converted?, but I am asking the questions not giving the answers. I will certainly test that water before I drink it, you said the very same thing to me so not sure where all the negativity is coming from because I question (sincerely I must add and even state why hiding NOTHING). Ignore me if it makes you happy, God is my judge not you.
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paul never added these are his writings/ teachings Romans 11:13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry. answers have been given yes i fear you are in error .you just need to study all the scriptures including paul writing .curious have your read the account of paul being saved? in the book of acts can you accept scriptures by faith ?
justification sanctification saved by grace through faith with out grace with out justification with out sanctification your lost ..what part of paul teaching do you not agree with “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1st Corinthians 2:14). list your problems with paul maybe someone other than me will reply
Perhaps we are getting off on a bad start here I don't know, but let me show you what made me think with caution. I being as open as I can.
Firstly I need to make myself clear: I am wary of Paul, however I am not going to bash Paul for bashing sake! Can we just agree that is where I am coming from at present:
Matthew 16:6 "beware...."
Then you read this later in the bible...
Paul declares himself to have been of the Pharisees:
If anyone else thinks he has reason for confidence in the flesh, I have more: circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee; as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to righteousness under the law, blameless.
Phillipians 3:4–6
Galatians 1:14
Jesus did not need to persecute the church or kill Christians/followers to preach faith.
So why did Jesus choose Paul (who was formaly known as Saul..wanted for false witness and possibly murder of Stephen)
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that was his past life i have a felony record growing marijuana on government land ( stupid thing on my part } but when i got saved close to 25 years ago that was erased my past sins was cast into the sea of forgetfulness i became a new creation in Christ 2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
this is Paul testimony of being saved acts 26
9 I verily thought with myself, that I ought to do many things contrary to the name of Jesus of Nazareth.
10 Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them.
11 And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled them to blaspheme; and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted them even unto strange cities.
12 Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests,
13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.
22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles. do you not think people can change God gives us a new heart
i got your attention no matter what i give you .your rejecting it .because paul was a pharisee also a type prospecting attorney getting warrants throwing people in jail for being saved straight up you have to accept paul conversion by faith heads up your words
lets turn the table you feel the same way about the apostle paul ..i showed you his testimony where he got saved yet you deny it? how does it feel . i want to try to help you. but it is probably time for me to dust my Sandals off and move in so i turn you over to someone else happy trails
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Excellent, well said.
I have only just noticed this thread. So a little late reading it!
Bless you...H
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Hi Danube and, welcome to the forum.
In my own private study of scripture, I tend to look at audience and what was said and done before the cross and compare to other scripture pertaining to after the cross.
So, since the words Jesus spoke before His crucifixion were directed to those (Jews) still under the Law, as was Jesus Himself. So, IMHO, His Spirit was not given to men until He ascended into Heaven. He IS the Spirit of grace. Zechariah 12:10: “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace.”
Paul was TOTALLY saved through grace, as are we. To me, there is a fine line between Law and works of the flesh. If one is truly His, their lives will show it...true heart change ONLY through His Spirit of grace.
Just my take
♥In His Name,
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"da newbie" LOL...I was just wondering what that meant!
grace is a wonderful thing un merited means not deserved .we dont deserve the unmerited favor of GOD .that why its grace justified by faith
I wonder where we get the arrogance to assume that God chose a man to write 3/4 of the NT who is in contradiction to the Subject of that very Testament?
Thanks for the conversation Ezra.
I wouldn't of worried to much for the "felony" because if we allow ourselves to be governed by foreign Gods or alien law systems we forget what is a crime and what isn't. I doubt God would of seen any crime when you consider Gen 1:29 allows us to grow seed bearing plants for food, Marijuana (Cannabis L. sativa) is afterall a seed bearing plant, so what crime could you of been guilty of in Gods eyes?
Paul on the other hand has given testimony to every reader of the NT regarding a "crime unto death" (shedding of innocent blood). Big difference and probably why he met a violent end at the very place he omitted mercy (grace) to those early Christians.
Thanks for your time and honesty.
I wouldn't of worried to much for the "felony" because if we allow ourselves to be governed by foreign Gods or alien law systems we forget what is a crime and what isn't. I doubt God would of seen any crime when you consider Gen 1:29 allows us to grow seed bearing plants for food, Marijuana (Cannabis L. sativa) is afterall a seed bearing plant, so what crime could you of been guilty of in Gods eyes?
Paul on the other hand has given testimony to every reader of the NT regarding a "crime unto death" (shedding of innocent blood). Big difference and probably why he met a violent end at the very place he omitted mercy (grace) to those early Christians.
Thanks for your time and honesty.
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How in the world can saying "grace is unmerited favor" be erroneous when that is exactly what it is? Favor is either unmerited or meritorious, and unless it's possible to earn it, it's unmerited.
Grace is "getting that which you don't deserve".
Mercy is "not getting that which you do deserve".
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The whole Word of God is complete. If God Almighty did not want Paul's epistles in there...they would not be there.
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