Understanding The HolySpirit
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God in Three Persons is a wonderful revealed mystery in Scripture; end of Matthew 28; John chapters 13 thru 17; John's First Epistle, etc.I read through the thread and I suppose the trinity will remain a mysteryI've learned if something is to hard to understand such as the trinity, just believe it as it is written.
Oh and should add; thank God what we believe is not a determining factor in salvation, but in whom we have believed and his wonderful finished work of the cross.
101G
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Understanding the "Holy Spirit".
John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever".
John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
the "Comforter", the Greek word,
G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
Root(s): G3844, G2822
The "Comforter" is the Holy Ghost, is this JESUS? lets see,
1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous".
Advocate:
G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
so JESUS is the Comforter/Advocate
an "Advocate" is a lawyer, attorney, a counsel for the defence, or Counsellor
Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace".
there he is, JESUS, Yeshua, "The FATHER", the Holy Spirit, one in the same, "ONE" PERSON.
don't get any easier than that.
John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever".
John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
the "Comforter", the Greek word,
G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
Root(s): G3844, G2822
The "Comforter" is the Holy Ghost, is this JESUS? lets see,
1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous".
Advocate:
G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
so JESUS is the Comforter/Advocate
an "Advocate" is a lawyer, attorney, a counsel for the defence, or Counsellor
Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace".
there he is, JESUS, Yeshua, "The FATHER", the Holy Spirit, one in the same, "ONE" PERSON.
don't get any easier than that.
But, “And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son [= Father speaking], in whom I am well pleased.” (Matthew 3:16–17) (KJV 1900)
101G
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Again where in the scriptures that says it's the voice of God that said, "this is my beloved son in whom I'm well pleased", at our Lord's baptism. scripture please.
oh yes, also Dave, did you get around to answer my Revelation 1:4 & 5 question?
let me refresh your memory.
Revelation 1:4 "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
Revelation 1:5 "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
while Dave is getting the scripture at our Lord's Baptism,
this is open to any trinitarian also,
From the trinitarian point of view,
"from him which is, and which was, and which is to come", the one called the "Father"
"from the seven Spirits", the one called the Holy Spirit
"And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness
ok, do we have three person that the letter is from? any answer is considered ..... (smile).
now here's a great opportunity for those of the trinitarian belief to shine and to show all others that there are three person that this letter is from.
GIVE GOD THE GLORY. ...............
If the "Voice" called Jesus his "Son", doesn't that make the Voice the voice of the Father?
101G
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NO, what did I say about assumption? Scripture please that says it's God voice.
and did you get to look at Revelation 1:4 & 5.
101G
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ERROR,
Genesis 22:15 "And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time,
Genesis 22:16 "And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:
who was speaking when the person speaking said, "By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD"
did the LORD speak it or the angel? which one. give your answer please. ... (smile)
101G
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it was the angel speaking for God from heaven, and this is not the only time this has happen, OT as well as the NT.
see, when people assume thing, this is where, and how falsehoods get started.
the scripture at our Lord's Baptism says this,
Matthew 3:16 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Matthew 3:17 "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
(the scriptures never said it was the voice of the LORD, God).
Mark 1:10 "And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
Mark 1:11 "And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
(again, the scriptures never said it was the voice of the LORD, God).
Luke 3:22 "And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
A "VOICE", when assumption are given by men,
Proverbs 14:12 "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
never assume nothing, KNOW.
John 5:37 "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
If that's true, then take the REVELATION 1:4 & 5 Test ...... (smile).
“and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.” (Revelation 1:6) (NASB95)
God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit no matter the setting. And in Jesus the man lived the Triune God.
“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” (Colossians 2:9) (KJV 1900)
101G
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Colossians 2:9 is true, but is it in PERSONS?
Look Dave, don't argue with me, argue with the scriptures, and one of the scriptures that disprove that there are three person in the Godhead is Revelation 1:4 & 5. if you believe you're right then disprove Revelation 1:4 & 5. IT'S JUST THAT EASY.
YOUR ANSWER PLEASE.
“and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.” (Revelation 1:6) (NASB95)
101G
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that's verse 6, I agree with that scripture, I been saying that all along, but the verses to disprove are verses 4 & 5
How do they disprove the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as being one God in three coexisting persons?
CoreIssue
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Jesus is a human name for a human body.
It is not the name of the Godhead. I defy you to show me the name Jesus in the OT.
Plenty of proof prophetic promises, but no Jesus himself actually there in existence.
101G
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you don't KNOW? we're not hear to embarrass anyone, but here to learn and understand.
ok, lets see.
#1.
Revelation 1:4a "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; (IS THIS NOT THE ONE WHOM YOU CALLS THE FATHER, THE "FIRST" PERSON IN THE GODHEAD? IF NOT PLEASE TELL US WHO THIS IS?)
#2.
and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; (IS THIS NOT THE ONE WHO YOU CALLS THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE "LAST", OR THIRD PERSON IN YOUR GODHEAD? IF NOT WHO IS THE SEVEN SPIRITS.
#3.
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood. (ok this is a give me, the one whom you calls the Son.
let's see.
Person #1. Father, "him which is, and which was, and which is to come"
Person #2. Holy Spirit, "the seven Spirits".
Person #3. Jesus Christ, "The son".
is this how you see it, if not please make any correction, and we can discuss them.
so, is this correct, Yes or no? if no make corrections.
I'll be looking to hear from you soon........
CoreIssue
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Where does the Bible say when you're baptized in the Holy Spirit you will speak in tongues, not maybe?
For every example you give where someone in the Bible did speak in tongues I can give you others were they did not.
Where did the apostles teach two separate actions of the Holy Spirit, as in born-again and then baptism of the Holy Spirit as a separate event?
The Bible clearly says you are born again by the baptism of the Holy Spirit. One single event. No mention of tongues.
Tongues is a gift and not to be ignored. But it is also the least of the gifts.
For every example you give where someone in the Bible did speak in tongues I can give you others were they did not.
Where did the apostles teach two separate actions of the Holy Spirit, as in born-again and then baptism of the Holy Spirit as a separate event?
The Bible clearly says you are born again by the baptism of the Holy Spirit. One single event. No mention of tongues.
Tongues is a gift and not to be ignored. But it is also the least of the gifts.
101G
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1 Corinthians 12:29 "Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
1 Corinthians 12:30 "Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
1 Corinthians 12:31 "But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
Romans 12:6 "Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
Romans 12:7 "Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;
Romans 12:8 "Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.
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