Proof of the Trinity. No takers?

Dave L said:

Three persons as God present at Jesus' baptism. How can you not see this?

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Matthew 28 also...

justbyfaith said:

No, I simply think that calling God schizophrenic has to be the thinking of a carnal mind. I was not referring to anything else you said, in that.

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You insinuated I called God skitzo. You can't run away from that. And you've done it to 101G saying he was, "denying that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh."

My experience debating Christians over contentious issues is that when they've been seriously challenged and having difficulty overcoming, that's when they resort to misquoting, slandering, sarcasm, and false accusations. That's the type of behavior you've exhibited.

Regardless who you've accused of having a carnal mind, whether I or Harvest it doesn't matter. He and I are mostly in agreement. The typical badmouthing type Christian who resorts to that type of behavior when they've been outdone is all too common today.

justbyfaith said:

101G, you appear to here be denying that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is Gnosticism and abject heresy. See 1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7. I will ask you one time (and I expect a yes or no answer): Do you confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh?

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I do most highly confess that Jesus Christ come in flesh.... YES.

I'm not denying, nor ever denied that he came in the flesh, you must not been reading what I have been posting. but listen good, real good. that flesh he came in was not of Mary or no man. hear me out that flesh came "OUT" of mary but that fesh/body was not "of" Mary

Mary was a vrigin and knew no man, meaning she had not sex, hence no human sperm.

knowing this Mary was a "surrogate" mother, and not the Christ biological mother....

so no I'm not denying his coming in flesh, or being in flesh ather his resurrection, only that he was not, (his body of flesh), was begotten of any man, nor woman, meaning he was not a PARTAKER of it.

now that you asked me a direct question, and I answered you with, as you requested, a yes or no. may I ask you a direct question? "Who was the "MAKER" or the one who conceive that biological body of flesh and blood that he came in by Mary?. WHO WAS IT? meaning who is the "FATHER" of that flesh and blood that Mary birthed

now you can provide an Appellation, and or the Epithet of God, or God's personal name or scripture. thanks in advance. I'll be looking for your answer.

Malsi Si Live said:

It's a big deal because I almost gave up on God because of His judgmental, hypocritical, trinitarian followers. Trinitarian's CONDEMN non-trinitarian's. People like John MacArthur, Catholics, most Protestants, and a host of others claim that if you don't believe in trinity you damned and are NOT a Christian.

In every debate I've been in with trinitarian's, all of my replies were removed and I was booted from the blog or banned from the forum. That's because Trinitarian Protestant's don't like it when they're debunked!

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I AGREE 100%
This Site used to be much better ...in attitude and content.
Now I just hate all the nonsense threads and posts where they fight over some things that we will never know for sure, until God shows us at the end.
I have both close friends who believe one thing, and close friends who believe something totally different...from the same bible
NO ONE has ALL the truth...yet so many declare that "they" do...and as you say..they pronounce judgement of those who believe differently to them. "You aren't a real Christian" ..or, "Not believing blah blah, will send you to hell."

Which judgement just prove to me that they have not yet seen the depth of the Father or known His heart beat.
But, we soldier on..and 'drip Jesus' where we can, as we move through life.

Like it or not...but most will not believe it..."they" know all truth.

12 "For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."
1 Cor 13

"ByGrace" said:

I AGREE 100%
This Site used to be much better ...in attitude and content.
Now I just hate all the nonsense threads and posts where they fight over some things that we will never know for sure, until God shows us at the end.
I have both close friends who believe one thing, and close friends who believe something totally different...from the same bible
NO ONE has ALL the truth...yet so many declare that "they" do...and as you say..they pronounce judgement of those who believe differently to them. "You aren't a real Christian" ..or, "Not believing blah blah, will send you to hell."

Which judgement just prove to me that they have not yet seen the depth of the Father or known His heart beat.
But, we soldier on..and 'drip Jesus' where we can, as we move through life.

Like it or not...but most will not believe it..."they" know all truth.

12 "For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."
1 Cor 13

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I wish more Christians would see things as you do. I know I come down hard on pre-trib because of its extensive fabrications. I'm astounded that people believe it! Trinity on the other hand, I refuse to be condemned so I'll firmly stand my ground. I know that "according to the way it's taught" there's no such thing.

Malsi Si Live said:

It's a big deal because I almost gave up on God because of His judgmental, hypocritical, trinitarian followers. Trinitarian's CONDEMN non-trinitarian's. People like John MacArthur, Catholics, most Protestants, and a host of others claim that if you don't believe in trinity you damned and are NOT a Christian.

In every debate I've been in with trinitarian's, all of my replies were removed and I was booted from the blog or banned from the forum. That's because Trinitarian Protestant's don't like it when they're debunked!

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When have you ever "debunked" the doctrine of the trinity? I'm still waiting.

"ByGrace" said:

I AGREE 100%
This Site used to be much better ...in attitude and content.
Now I just hate all the nonsense threads and posts where they fight over some things that we will never know for sure, until God shows us at the end.
I have both close friends who believe one thing, and close friends who believe something totally different...from the same bible
NO ONE has ALL the truth...yet so many declare that "they" do...and as you say..they pronounce judgement of those who believe differently to them. "You aren't a real Christian" ..or, "Not believing blah blah, will send you to hell."

Which judgement just prove to me that they have not yet seen the depth of the Father or known His heart beat.
But, we soldier on..and 'drip Jesus' where we can, as we move through life.

Like it or not...but most will not believe it..."they" know all truth.

12 "For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."
1 Cor 13

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You cannot fairly judge others by your lack of knowledge, assuming you are the standard by which all are to be measured.

Malsi Si Live said:

I wish more Christians would see things as you do. I know I come down hard on pre-trib because of its extensive fabrications. I'm astounded that people believe it! Trinity on the other hand, I refuse to be condemned so I'll firmly stand my ground. I know that "according to the way it's taught" there's no such thing.

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Then you do not understand the Christ of the bible who had the father and Holy Spirit present with him at his baptism.

"ByGrace" said:

I AGREE 100%
This Site used to be much better ...in attitude and content.
Now I just hate all the nonsense threads and posts where they fight over some things that we will never know for sure, until God shows us at the end.
I have both close friends who believe one thing, and close friends who believe something totally different...from the same bible
NO ONE has ALL the truth...yet so many declare that "they" do...and as you say..they pronounce judgement of those who believe differently to them. "You aren't a real Christian" ..or, "Not believing blah blah, will send you to hell."

Which judgement just prove to me that they have not yet seen the depth of the Father or known His heart beat.
But, we soldier on..and 'drip Jesus' where we can, as we move through life.

Like it or not...but most will not believe it..."they" know all truth.

12 "For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."
1 Cor 13

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as the end time gets closer the lies and and deceit will only get worse as the devil steals mens hearts and minds from God. His time is shorter now than it has ever being and he knows it.

Malsi Si Live said:

I wish more Christians would see things as you do. I know I come down hard on pre-trib because of its extensive fabrications. I'm astounded that people believe it! Trinity on the other hand, I refuse to be condemned so I'll firmly stand my ground. I know that "according to the way it's taught" there's no such thing.

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I just know, that I know, that I know...that when 'The Roll is called up yonder ' God will not ask :- " So, did you get your doctrine all correct?"

God will be looking for fruit...the fruit of HIS reflection on our hearts.

"Who's right and who's wrong"..as I see it..is eating from the wrong
tree! The "good" side of the wrong tree was still not LIFE!

My two cents...
( BTW, I don't believe in 'the rapture' ...as taught, at all.)

Dave L said:

You cannot fairly judge others by your lack of knowledge, assuming you are the standard by which all are to be measured.

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Do what? Come again? What are you saying Dave ?

Malsi Si Live said:

It's a big deal because I almost gave up on God because of His judgmental, hypocritical, trinitarian followers. Trinitarian's CONDEMN non-trinitarian's. People like John MacArthur, Catholics, most Protestants, and a host of others claim that if you don't believe in trinity you damned and are NOT a Christian.

In every debate I've been in with trinitarian's, all of my replies were removed and I was booted from the blog or banned from the forum. That's because Trinitarian Protestant's don't like it when they're debunked!

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I'm sorry that you've been treated so badly by other Christians. It is a shame when people feel to need to "defend" their positions through personal attacks and/or hypocrisy. Such is not Christ's ways.

For what it's worth: this site does not require anyone to embrace Creedal Trinitarian views. I myself am a non-Trinitarian and there are others on here as well. There are MANY viewpoints of the exact relationship between the Father/Son/Spirit, not just the Athanasian Trinitarian one. Like all theological differences, we should discuss things with civility and Christ-like love.

"ByGrace" said:

I just know, that I know, that I know...that when 'The Roll is called up yonder ' God will not ask :- " So, did you get your doctrine all correct?"

God will be looking for fruit...the fruit of HIS reflection on our hearts.

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TOTALLY agreed.
Salvation is not based on our smarts to pass a theology test, but rather our hearts.

Dave L said:

You cannot fairly judge others by your lack of knowledge, assuming you are the standard by which all are to be measured.

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Not quite sure what you are saying...
Who is 'fairly' or unfairly, judging others? Watching arguments and strife and saying it is not of God, is only saying what Paul said...it is judging no one, yet clearly seeing the one-upness that is like alcohol to some. They just have to be right.
We do not know everything...we have not arrived yet.

What 'lack of knowledge' of mine are you speaking of?
How do you know what I believe and what I don't.
I know what I personally believe about the trinity, rapture, endtime,
the overcoming sons, election and rewards, freewill , and all the other stuff that is discussed ...ALL are discussions and opinions...
..and ALL will be revealed at the end of the age.

"For I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto Him against that Day.
Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus."

"ByGrace" said:

Do what? Come again? What are you saying Dave ?

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You appear to be judging

"ByGrace" said:

I AGREE 100%
This Site used to be much better ...in attitude and content.
Now I just hate all the nonsense threads and posts where they fight over some things that we will never know for sure, until God shows us at the end.
I have both close friends who believe one thing, and close friends who believe something totally different...from the same bible
NO ONE has ALL the truth...yet so many declare that "they" do...and as you say..they pronounce judgement of those who believe differently to them. "You aren't a real Christian" ..or, "Not believing blah blah, will send you to hell."

Which judgement just prove to me that they have not yet seen the depth of the Father or known His heart beat.
But, we soldier on..and 'drip Jesus' where we can, as we move through life.

Like it or not...but most will not believe it..."they" know all truth.

12 "For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."
1 Cor 13

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"ByGrace" said:

Do what? Come again? What are you saying Dave ?

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There are things we know for sure even if you do not. Are you using your level of learning as a ceiling that others cannot rise above? It seems you are.

Jane_Doe22 said:

TOTALLY agreed.
Salvation is not based on our smarts to pass a theology test, but rather our hearts.

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Except if you do not know the truth about Christ, you do not know Christ in truth.

Jane_Doe22 said:

TOTALLY agreed.
Salvation is not based on our smarts to pass a theology test, but rather our hearts.

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I agree with that to a point, not for an argument .. ok, just saying.. if one know better one do better.

to whom much is given much is required.

question, "if I call you Sally Brooks and you told me already that your name is Jan_Doe22". why must I contuine to asert my will in calling you Sally Brooks when you clearly have told me your Name is Jan_Doe22. would you like that? especially when you have told me your name.

just asking, no argument ok.

101G said:

I agree with that to a point, not for an argument .. ok, just saying.. if one know better one do better.

to whom much is given much is required.

question, "if I call you Sally Brooks and you told me already that your name is Jan_Doe22". why must I contuine to asert my will in calling you Sally Brooks when you clearly have told me your Name is Jan_Doe22. would you like that? especially when you have told me your name.

just asking, no argument ok.

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Our love of God is a gift from Him, written on each man's willing heart. It doesn't come from men, but of God. Likewise the little understanding we have of Him as well- It doesn't come from men, but is a gift from God.

Therefore, I don't feel comfortable with any analogies wherein "man tells X" being compared to "God tells X", which is what I think you Sally and Jane question is leading too. There is a MOUNTAIN of difference between men saying something with his mouth, and the Holy Spirit impressing it upon a person's heart.

Dave L said:

Except if you do not know the truth about Christ, you do not know Christ in truth.

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NOW who is judging on who knows what!!