The Lord's Supper
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Marymog
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Thank you for your honesty.
When Jesus said "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you." how do you, GerhardEborsoehn accomplish that???? How do YOU eat his flesh and drink his blood?
Maybe @Acolyte and @charity can help you out since they liked what you said.
Curious Mary
The basic difference between Catholic and Protestant... I, Gerhard Eborsoehn, do not accomplish that!!!!
You want to be so literal... Whom does Jesus here speak to, to me, Gerhard Ebersoehn, or to his twelve disciples in the upper room? What "gave" Jesus to "drink"? His blood? No, gave He them "wine", and "SAID: Drink YOU, for THIS -wine- is my blood." And so on and so on.
Now I say my granddaughter 'is my hart se punt, se teerste klop'. Is my granddaughter in me, the point of my heart and the tenderest beat of my heart? SHE IS! And that is how I accomplish it that Jesus' blood, is the wine I drink and Jesus' flesh and body is the meat of his very LIFE GIVEN for me for which I can thank God my Saviour and HIM ONLY. I, Gerhard Eborsoehn, do not accomplish anything!
Man, little children know what figurative language is; but Roman Catholics are RATHER DAMNED than know!
There is no transition in any Gospels. The Lord's Supper was as soon as Abib 14th began and it was "evening" Mark 14:12 Matthew 26:20 Luke 22:14 and "night" 1Corinthians 11:23 John 13:30.
Because it was Jesus' Last Passover of Yahweh where He died as Our Passover Lamb of God and "there was an earthquake and the veil was torn" THERE WAS NO passover lamb killed and consequently NO PASSOVER "unleavened bread eaten with the flesh", "At The First Night", "This That Night of BONE-DAY solemnly to be observed" AFTER Abib 14 as soon as Abib 15 began "and EVENING had come" Exodus 12:40-42 Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 Luke 23:50 John 19:31,39.
CoreIssue
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The Passover endedAt the cross.
Christ gave the new covenant of blood at the Last Supper. But it did not become effective to the resurrection resurrection.
Look back at the covenant with Israel and Moses, etc. none were instantaneous. They all grew from promise to fact.
Christ gave the new covenant of blood at the Last Supper. But it did not become effective to the resurrection resurrection.
Look back at the covenant with Israel and Moses, etc. none were instantaneous. They all grew from promise to fact.
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Strong words. Unfortunately – they’re SQUASHED by the Word of God.
In 1 Corinthians 11:27-30, Paul speaks to the reality of the Eucharist and the severity of the consequences to those who take this lightly:
“Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. A person should examine himself, and so eat the bread and drink the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself. That is why many among you are ill and infirm, and a considerable number are dying.”
This is pretty harsh language for something that Protestants claim is only a “symbol”.
This directly correlates to the Bread of Life Discourse in John 6, where Jesus stated in NO uncertain terms: “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.”
The usual Greek word used for human eating is “phagon”, however, this is NOT the word used in these passages. St. John uses the word, “trogon”, which means, to munch or to gnaw - like an animal eats. Jesus was again using hyperbole as he often did to drive his point across so that the crowd would understand that he was not speaking metaphorically. He meant what he said.
Just as the Paschal Lamb was to be eaten, it is also true for the Lamb of God.
In verse 60, his disciples said, "This saying is hard; who can accept it?"
Did Jesus explain what he "really" meant? No, he said: "Does this shock you?”
You need to remember – Jesus, the Bread of Life was born in Bethlehem, which translates as “House of Bread.” He was laid in a manger – which is a FEEDING TROUGH.
NONE of this is an accident . . .
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Ummmmmmm......sooooooo Jesus is in your heart, like your granddaughter is in your heart, so that is how you eat/drink Him?
Curious Mary
Acolyte
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Marymog said
Maybe @Acolyte and @charity can help you out since they liked what you said.
I don't think he needs any help. He has explained himself.
When I like something someone says, I'm not saying I agree 100%. I find looking and listening great learning tools. Enjoy looking at things from a different view.
Personally, I do partake of the unlevened bread, and juice. And I have also been accused of worshipping satan because some see it as a symbol of cannabalism.
A quite terrifying accusation... but JESUS said do this in rememberance of me. So be it!
Maybe @Acolyte and @charity can help you out since they liked what you said.
I don't think he needs any help. He has explained himself.
When I like something someone says, I'm not saying I agree 100%. I find looking and listening great learning tools. Enjoy looking at things from a different view.
Personally, I do partake of the unlevened bread, and juice. And I have also been accused of worshipping satan because some see it as a symbol of cannabalism.
A quite terrifying accusation... but JESUS said do this in rememberance of me. So be it!
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'When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples murmured at it,
He said unto them, "Doth this offend you?"
What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:
the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.'
(John 6:61-63)
Hello @Marymog,
We hear the Word of God concerning His Son, we believe and receive that 'Word' into our being. Therefore His Word abides in us. We continue to 'hear' His Word, and are nourished and strengthened in faith as we activily believe and appropriate what we hear (read); rejoicing in the finished work of Christ, and the hope that is ours in Him. Thereby we 'eat' and 'drink' of Him by faith: for the words of, 'the Living Word', spoken both while in the flesh and from the right hand of God, through His Apostles, and recorded in God's written Word, they are 'spirit' and they are 'life'. All is in spirit, by faith, 'the flesh profiteth nothing'.
Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris
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Hello @Acolyte
I appreciate and respect the fact that you do not perhaps agree with all that you have read in certain posts, even though you have indicated that you have 'liked' what is said. I would like to comment on the Lord's words, 'do this in rememberance of me', that you refer to in your post.
During the period covered by the book of acts, as you know, the door was open for Israel to repent, and had they done so, the Lord would have returned, as God told them through Peter in Acts 3:19-21. The letters written during this period of approximately 40 years, indicate that the expectation of the Lord's imminent return was very much the expectation held by the believers of that day. That return depended on the repentance of Israel, which did not come. Finally the door was closed to the nation of Israel, at the end of the Acts period, when they continued to reject the witness of the Apostles as to the person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ (see Acts 28). So, they and all the promises of God associated with them are in abeyance, awaiting fulfillment in a coming day.
During this intervening period, the Church which is the Body of Christ is being called out, and the hope and expectancy of this company is not Christ's coming, but His 'appearing' in glory, when they will appear with Him there (Col. 3).
The epistles written following the laying aside of Israel in unbelief by the Apostle Paul (Eph. Col. Phil. 1&2 Tim. Titus) have no mention of the Lord's supper, or of remembering the Lord's death until He come: for the Church of the Body of Christ, of which He alone is the Head, which is the subject of those epistles, is intimately identified with Christ, in His death, burial, quickening, resurrection, and ascension to God's right hand. It's members merely await His appearing in glory, for they will appear with Him there. It's hope is a heavenly hope, and the return of Christ to the earth is not what it's members look for. It is not affiliated with Israel as a nation, in it's blessings or it's hope, and it needs no symbols to remember Christ death, for it has died with Him, been buried, quickened and raised with Him, and now live in newness of life in Him,while looking for His blessed 'appearing'.
Praise His Holy Name!
In Christ Jesus
Chris
I keep hearing that the flesh profits nothing in regards to your O.P.
What exactly does that mean to you?
What does it have to do with the Lord's Supper?
I'm sorry. My 'team', son and daughters and grand daughters, are working on the problem.
This will at least get people to the site:
Bible Students - The Lord's Day in the Covenant of Grace
I think they can find their target from there. (It should be in the upper left corner of the page.)
Colossians 2:16-19 is the clearest and most inspiring relating of the Lord's Sabbaths' Gourmet. It even condemns the condemners in verse 18,
"Allow no one who wishes judgement against you, (who) with affected humbleness and angelic piety – intruding into the things he has seen (among you) – without cause is puffed up by his fleshly mind, who has not received authority 19 from the Head, from Whom (in contrast) all the Body by joints and bands has nourishment being ministered, becoming great by the increase of God.”
Thank you, WillieT. 'The Heart of the Gospel' has been reviewed several times since its very recent composition. Most of the reviews are eradicated. The version presently displayed in the upper left corner was converted from html to pdf, which at present does not download. Pdf also changed the pages and lines which MUST be read precisely like composed in html. So, plenty of problems there.
However One may try Google's Word Press, 'Lord's Day' Gerhard Ebersoehn
Send e-mail to biblestudents at imaginet dot co dot za and receive 'The Heart of the Gospel' free of charge. Please share!
PS
'biblestudents' have nothing to do with JWs! PLEASE!
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O so religiously pious and correct, it's painful. Painful NONSENSE! The Protestants claim this something is a symbol exactly what this Scripture STATES it is, but you RCs keep yourselves blind to. Make as if you don't see it while you see it as real-life big as the Protestants see it : "For anyone who eats and drinks ... discerning = seeing the symbolism of : the body, eats and drinks ...".
There's one thing good about this kind of stupidity, the exercise in patience and perseverance.
The Passover of Yahweh did not end "'at the cross'", it was completed and fulfilled by Jesus "Christ the All in all fulfilling FULLNESS OF GOD" at the Resurrection of Jesus Christ "on the Sabbath before the First Day of the week" and thereafter with the fiftieth day counted, the Sabbath Day the day before the First Day of the week again.
And so a "'new covenant of blood'" will be some kind of abomination of desolation of Roman Catholicism which germinates in the perverse hotbed of religious fancy of child molesters and murderous monster popes, and finds the breath of life of Scripture deadly toxic.
CoreIssue
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The celebration of Passover ended at the cross because it was fulfilled.
Christ resurrected on Sunday, the first the the week.
Luke 22:20 New International Version (NIV)
20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
1 Corinthians 11:25 New International Version (NIV)
25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.”
Blindness! Don't you SEE? No you don't; you cannot see just how here, you argue directly against yourself! Ag, dear Jesus Christ, help, please help! This person says "'Jesus was again using hyperbole as he often did to drive his point across so that the crowd would understand that he was not speaking metaphorically.'" WHAT IS HYPERBOLE IF NOT METAPHOR?! Can I go on and waste the rest of my life arguing against stone and wood stupidity?!
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