Proof of the Trinity. No takers?

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101G

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To me, Emmanuel means that the word of God was indwelt (became) in Jesus when he was born (John 1:14) and Jesus of God lived amongst us. In the OT the expression Emmanuel was used to denote that God was with his people in battle and to overcome difficulties - to save them from death.
first thanks for the reply,
second, no private interpretations are allowed.
2 Peter 1:20 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation".
so when you said, "To me, Emmanuel means that the word of God was indwelt". that's your own oponion. oponions don't count unless backed up by scripture. listen,
Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us".

there is only ONE God. but here's the problem with what you said. "Emmanuel means that the word of God was indwelt (became) in Jesus". if that's the case then you're promoting two persons. which directly contridict John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24.

now if you can prove that there are two Person that made all things, who is the CREATOR, then and only then will I even consider your assessment of ""Emmanuel means that the word of God was indwelt (became) in Jesus"

so untill you can reconcile John 1:3 and Isaiah as 44:24 as two separate PERSONS then your oponion is in error with the SCRIPTURES.

will be looking for your answer.
 
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The Father dwells in us (Ephesians 4:6). The Son dwells in us (Colossians 1:27). And the Holy Ghost dwells in us (2 Timothy 1:14).

Yet, there is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4).

That Spirit is the Father (John 4:23-24), the Son (Colossians 1:27), the Holy Ghost (John 7:39).
“God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”” (John 4:24) (HCSB) But the Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son as you say.
 

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The Father dwells in us (Ephesians 4:6). The Son dwells in us (Colossians 1:27). And the Holy Ghost dwells in us (2 Timothy 1:14).

Yet, there is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4).

That Spirit is the Father (John 4:23-24), the Son (Colossians 1:27), the Holy Ghost (John 7:39).
ok, if all are dwelling in us who sent who then?. in order to send someone you didn't go.

and two, if the Lord Jesus came as himself, then that violated scriptures in Rev 1:8 and Hebrews 9:28.

but if he, the Lord Jesus came, (and he did on Pentecost), then 1 John 3:24 certifies him as the Holy Spirit, who is God, per John 4:24a.

I'll be looking for your answer.
 

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“God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”” (John 4:24) (HCSB) But the Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son as you say.
Dave that's makes no sense, if the Holy Spirit as you say is a PERSON, and you quote John 4:24a God is a Spirit, and if you used God to mean the Father. question, what is the "Father" then?. for there are not two separate Spirit. remember God is "a", "a", "a" Spirit meaning only ONE "Spirit".

I'll be looking for your answer.
 
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Dave that's makes no sense, if the Holy Spirit as you say is a PERSON, and you quote John 4:24a God is a Spirit, and if you used God to mean the Father. question, what is the "Father" then?. for there are not two separate Spirit. remember God is "a", "a", "a" Spirit meaning only ONE "Spirit".

I'll be looking for your answer.
Remember the Holy Spirit is a person who speaks and does all the things persons do. He's not just a spiritual substance as you seem to think. If you define God as one spiritual substance eternally manifest as Father, Son, and Comforter (Holy Spirit) you will see the distinction.
 

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Remember the Holy Spirit is a person who speaks and does all the things persons do. He's not just a spiritual substance as you seem to think. If you define God as one spiritual substance eternally manifest as Father, Son, and Comforter (Holy Spirit) you will see the distinction.
that's not my Point. Holy defines the "character", or the "characteristics" of the Spirit.

now look, meaning understand. just drop the word "Holy" for a second, what's left? the Spirit, John 4:24 God is a Spirit, and God is HOLY, hence the term "Holy" Spirit".

be ye holy for I am Holy. Holy is God "character", and Spirit is God "NATURE".

now is "holy" Dave, Dave? ....... holy just identifies what you are. are you getting this?

so Holy just identifies "what" God is ..... Spirit, per John 4:24a
 

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here is the problem with men. they have put the only PERSON in the Godhead last and made Titles into separate "Persons", and placed them before the ONLY TRUE and LIVING God.
 

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“God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”” (John 4:24) (HCSB) But the Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son as you say.

As the kjv would put it, But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4:23-24.
 

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ok, if all are dwelling in us who sent who then?. in order to send someone you didn't go.

The Father sent the Son according to 1 John 4:14. But the Father did go; however He also stayed behind, for it is impossible to vacate eternity.
 

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As the kjv would put it, But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4:23-24.
Amen, God is "a" Spirit. and that one Spirit is the Holy Spirit, who holds the Titles "Father". without flesh, and "Son" with Flesh.
 
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Amen, God is "a" Spirit. and that one Spirit is the Holy Spirit, who holds the Titles "Father". without flesh, and "Son" with Flesh.
Also, Jesus released His Spirit back into eternity after His sufferings, so that the Holy Ghost is the Father with a twist...in that He understands humanity.
 

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The Father sent the Son according to 1 John 4:14. But the Father did go; however He also stayed behind, for it is impossible to vacate eternity.
lets take this one step at a time. "The Father sent the Son" I'm glad you said that,
John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

so if the Holy Spirit is the "AOTHER" of the Son, then the Son and the Holy Spirit is the Same person
 

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lets take this one step at a time. "The Father sent the Son" I'm glad you said that,
John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

so if the Holy Spirit is the "AOTHER" of the Son, then the Son and the Holy Spirit is the Same person
We are really just fellowshipping more than trying to convince one another of anything that we disagree on.

I am in complete agreement with your statements.
 

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Also, Jesus released His Spirit back into eternity after His sufferings, so that the Holy Ghost is the Father with a twist...in that He understands humanity.
the Spirit of Christ (the Son) is the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God (the Father) is the Holy Spirit, BINGO. thank you.

supportive Scripture,
Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his".

Spirit of Christ (Son)? Spirit of God (Father)? yes the HOLY SPIRIT.

this is good, I'll be out for a minuit but hold this thought
 

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God (the Father) is the Spirit that dwells in and dwelt in Christ. The Spirit of Christ is the Father.

Supporting scripture: John 4:23-24, John 14:7-11.

The Spirit of Christ is the Holy Ghost also.

Supporting scripture: Luke 23:46, John 15:26.
 

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God (the Father) is the Spirit that dwells in and dwelt in Christ. The Spirit of Christ is the Father.

Supporting scripture: John 4:23-24, John 14:7-11.

The Spirit of Christ is the Holy Ghost also.

Supporting scripture: Luke 23:46.
yes I agreee, only that the Spirit of Christ who is the Father in flesh is the "SHARED" Spirit.
 

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That word shared gives me cause for concern. You do agree that in Christ indwelt/indwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily?
 

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God the Father and God the Holy Ghost are one eternal Spirit (Hebrews 9:14); however they are distinct according to what each has experienced, as the Father is the Holy Ghost's "past". While He has descended and then ascended again to become outside of time (Ephesians 4:10, Isaiah 57:15); and is also capable of descending into time again so that He was able to be present at Jesus' baptism after His release to the Father, which according to time was yet future. For God exists in one eternal moment.

not in reply to #699.