Jesus Christ Prophesied He Will Not Return Until This Happens - Matthew 23:39

Ac28 · Dec 17, 2018

Reggie Belafonte said:
It's, I was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the House of the Servants of God. (Israel)

There is no Jewish race and there never was such a race ever, it's a Spiritual House that you become, or your out side of such and lost and anyone who has the Holy Spirit knows that is a fact.
If you do not have the Holy Spirit you are Lost, such was always the case from the beginning.

There is nether Jew or Greek when one becomes truly a Christian, Born Again as a Servant of God.

This concept of two peoples under God is Blasphemy, a working of Antichrist.

God separates Israel and Gentiles, so why don't you? The only time both received blessings from God at the same time, in the last 4000 years, was a 26 year period from Ac 10 through Ac 28. And that period was 100%Israel, since ALL saved Gentiles in Acts were grafted into Israel.

Blasphemy is saying that there ARE NOT 2 separate peoples.

Ac28 · Dec 17, 2018

Dave L said:
You are robbing people of the central message of the New Covenant. The Sermon on the Mount is the backbone of all Christian ethics. And John says if you do not have that, you are not saved.

You've made that absurd remark several times, but you've never backed it up with scripture. Where in John?

According to scripture, the new covenant is only for Israel, Jer 31:31-34, Heb 8:8. It's ONLY function is enable Jews to keep the Law and love doing it.

You parrot the know-nothing Denominational preachers, who also maintain the same heretical ideas that God treats Jews and Gentiles the same, thus robbing Gentiles of their true Calling of the Highest Heaven, which no Jew will ever be part of.

Where do you expect to spend eternity, and why? What scripture do you use to back this up?

CoreIssue · Dec 17, 2018

Reggie Belafonte said:
Jesus came for the Servants of God and we see that Jesus meets a true Israelite called Nathaniel and says so and Nathaniel knows who Jesus is directly, so the fact remains that no true Servant of God would reject Jesus ever and never has or will in fact.
All the Jews were Lost, there was no hope in them at all in fact, they needed a Saviour !

All who are Born Again are in the Kingdom of God and that's how the second coming works, Jesus comes into your Heart and Soul.

The Bible says Jesus came for Israel, no qualifiers.

All the Jews were not lost. His apostles were Jews in the first Christians were Jews.

Dave L · Dec 17, 2018

Ac28 said:
You've made that absurd remark several times, but you've never backed it up with scripture. Where in John?

According to scripture, the new covenant is only for Israel, Jer 31:31-34, Heb 8:8. It's ONLY function is enable Jews to keep the Law and love doing it.

You parrot the know-nothing Denominational preachers, who also maintain the same heretical ideas that God treats Jews and Gentiles the same, thus robbing Gentiles of their true Calling of the Highest Heaven, which no Jew will ever be part of.

Where do you expect to spend eternity, and why? What scripture do you use to back this up?

You cannot back it up with scripture already rejected by the challenger now can you?

Helen · Dec 17, 2018

Dave L said:
You are robbing people of the central message of the New Covenant. The Sermon on the Mount is the backbone of all Christian ethics. And John says if you do not have that, you are not saved.

Okay Dave , I have seen you write this many times now.
So, to get clarification...are you saying that Jesus held The Sermon of the Mount up as the attainable goal of the believers?

If you believe that then we disagree.
Just as it took 4000 years for God to show Israel that without the blood of bulls and goats they could not themselves , keep His law.

I believe Jesus was doing just the same here.
He elevated the conduct of law even higher...to over-prove the point that man cannot keep the requirements of God's law.

"If you just look at a women"
"That whosoever is angry with his brother ..shall be in danger of the judgment"
Etc etc etc...

As I have said before...no one really believed that it can be kept by man. If people really believed it then we would see lots of one eyed one handed Christians around.

It is an impossibility...that was Jesus whole point .

Nothing can be done without it being done through Him.
Man still to this day believes that "they" can do it.
6000 years later, man is still trying to bypass letting go, and agreeing with God.

Ac28 · Dec 17, 2018

Dave L said:
You cannot back it up with scripture already rejected by the challenger now can you?

What are you Babel-ing about, Dave? None of that makes sense.

I have about 8 different digital "Harmony on the Gospels" They ALL say that absolutely NOTHING from Mt 4:13 through about Mt 9:9 appears in the Gospel of John. Since the Sermon on the Mount is Mt 5,6,7, that means it isn't in John. Which scripture did you have in mind?

I repeat. Where do you expect to spend eternity, and why? What scripture do you use to back this up?

I assume you do have a Bible. Find it, dust it off and give us some scripture.

Dave L · Dec 17, 2018

Ac28 said:
What are you Babel-ing about, Dave? None of that makes sense.

I have about 8 different digital "Harmony on the Gospels" They ALL say that absolutely NOTHING from Mt 4:13 through about Mt 9:9 appears in the Gospel of John. Since the Sermon on the Mount is Mt 5,6,7, that means it isn't in John. Which scripture did you have in mind?

I repeat. Where do you expect to spend eternity, and why? What scripture do you use to back this up?

I assume you do have a Bible. Find it, dust it off and give us some scripture.

If Jesus' words are not for today, Jesus is not for today.........

Jay Ross · Dec 17, 2018

Dave L said:
Scripture condemns those who do not have the Sermon on the Mount. And this is just one of the serious errors we notice in the form of dispensationalism.

Dave I was quoting from the Sermon of the Mount yet you condemned those who do not see eye to eye with you. Here is the passage from Matthew: -

Matthew 7:1-6: - Do Not Judge
(Luke 6:37-42)

7:1 "Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

6 "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.

The Passage in Luke Goes which also echoes the Matt 7:1-6 passage go something like this: -

Luke 6:37-42: - Do Not Judge
(Matt 7:1-5)

37 "Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38 Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you."

39 And He spoke a parable to them: "Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into the ditch? 40 A disciple is not above his teacher, but everyone who is perfectly trained will be like his teacher. 41 And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not perceive the plank in your own eye? 42 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me remove the speck that is in your eye,' when you yourself do not see the plank that is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck that is in your brother's eye.

You also quoted this passage: -

Matthew 15:21-28: - A Gentile Shows Her Faith
(Mark 7:24-30)

21 Then Jesus went out from there and departed to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 And behold, a woman of Canaan came from that region and cried out to Him, saying, "Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David! My daughter is severely demon-possessed."

23 But He answered her not a word.

And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, "Send her away, for she cries out after us."

24 But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

25 Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, "Lord, help me!"

26 But He answered and said, "It is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the little dogs."

27 And she said, "Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs eat the crumbs which fall from their masters' table."

28 Then Jesus answered and said to her, "O woman, great is your faith! Let it be to you as you desire." And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

Now, Jesus is not recorded requiring the checking of the absence of the men's foreskin when the crowds came to hear Jesus preaching the "Sermon on the Mountain" to ensure hat only the true Israelites heard His sermon. Yes, it is recorded that, Jesus' purpose was to encourage the Israelite to repent of their perpetual iniquities before they would be separated from God by the visitation of their iniquities for a period of two ages.

Jesus preached to those on the mountain side irrespective of their pedigree or fathers.

The same is also true today, but the descendants of Abraham have been chosen as a special people for God's purposes to be a blessing to all of the nations of the earth. Those gentiles of us who have fully embraced Jesus and his salvation message are also part of this group of Israelites who will be a blessing to all of the nations of the earth.

Shalom

Dave L · Dec 17, 2018

Jay Ross said:
Dave I was quoting from the Sermon of the Mount yet you condemned those who do not see eye to eye with you. Here is the passage from Matthew: -

Matthew 7:1-6: - Do Not Judge
(Luke 6:37-42)

7:1 "Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

6 "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.

The Passage in Luke Goes which also echoes the Matt 7:1-6 passage go something like this: -

Luke 6:37-42: - Do Not Judge
(Matt 7:1-5)

37 "Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38 Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you."

39 And He spoke a parable to them: "Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into the ditch? 40 A disciple is not above his teacher, but everyone who is perfectly trained will be like his teacher. 41 And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not perceive the plank in your own eye? 42 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me remove the speck that is in your eye,' when you yourself do not see the plank that is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck that is in your brother's eye.

You also quoted this passage: -

Matthew 15:21-28: - A Gentile Shows Her Faith
(Mark 7:24-30)

21 Then Jesus went out from there and departed to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 And behold, a woman of Canaan came from that region and cried out to Him, saying, "Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David! My daughter is severely demon-possessed."

23 But He answered her not a word.

And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, "Send her away, for she cries out after us."

24 But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

25 Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, "Lord, help me!"

26 But He answered and said, "It is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the little dogs."

27 And she said, "Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs eat the crumbs which fall from their masters' table."

28 Then Jesus answered and said to her, "O woman, great is your faith! Let it be to you as you desire." And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

Now, Jesus is not recorded requiring the checking of the absence of the men's foreskin when the crowds came to hear Jesus preaching the "Sermon on the Mountain" to ensure hat only the true Israelites heard His sermon. Yes, it is recorded that, Jesus' purpose was to encourage the Israelite to repent of their perpetual iniquities before they would be separated from God by the visitation of their iniquities for a period of two ages.

Jesus preached to those on the mountain side irrespective of their pedigree or fathers.

The same is also true today, but the descendants of Abraham have been chosen as a special people for God's purposes to be a blessing to all of the nations of the earth. Those gentiles of us who have fully embraced Jesus and his salvation message are also part of this group of Israelites who will be a blessing to all of the nations of the earth.

Shalom

John says if any have not the doctrine of Christ (Sermon on the mount) they are not saved.

Ac28 · Dec 17, 2018

Dave L said:
If Jesus' words are not for today, Jesus is not for today.........

I quit, Dave, unless you attempt to prove your points with scripture. Where is this scripture in John?

Helen · Dec 17, 2018

Dave L said:
If Jesus' words are not for today, Jesus is not for today.........

Hello thee Dave
Could you please answer my post #45 ...thanks you.

Jay Ross · Dec 17, 2018

Dave L said:
John says if any have not the doctrine of Christ (Sermon on the mount) they are not saved.

This is the passage that you are referring to: -

2 John 7-11: - Beware of Antichrist Deceivers

7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.

9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; 11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

What is the Doctrine of Christ? Christ taught about the Salvation Covenant and the associated Statutes which have been in place since the time of Adam. Those same statutes are the Statutes that God had put in place since the beginning of time.

What makes you think that the doctrine of Christ is only the Sermon on the Mount?

Is that just your private interpretation?

Shalom

Reggie Belafonte · Dec 17, 2018

Ac28 said:
God separates Israel and Gentiles, so why don't you? The only time both received blessings from God at the same time, in the last 4000 years, was a 26 year period from Ac 10 through Ac 28. And that period was 100%Israel, since ALL saved Gentiles in Acts were grafted into Israel.

Blasphemy is saying that there ARE NOT 2 separate peoples.

The Born Again are separated from the worldly, there is a great gulf between such.
The Servants of God (Israel) and the People of God (Judah) were separated out from the others, dogs etc, because they have to be or they will be devoured by such wolves.

The truly Born Again are Israel the Servants of God and race has nothing to do with the Holy Spirit at all. you have it or you don't. such has nothing to do with race at all.
Sure being Born Again is abiding in the Tree that Nathanial was under.
The branches that were broken off are finished and the new become one with the original Tree and as long as they abide in such they will never be broken off.

Only the Jews who were abiding in Holy Moses came to Christ, because he said of him to come so they were looking for him and all the other Jews were broken off.
All Jews from then on became Christians and the ones who did not are condemned for ever, so anyone claiming to be a Jew nowadays is of Satan, they are not of the Tree of Israel at all. not to mention that them Jews who followed Jesus became one, remember there is no Jew or Greek anymore under Christianity all are one.

There are only people today who believe in the OT and follow it, who could claim to be Jewish in regard to that, but as to race ? that's just pathetic. no one can prove such nowadays even if it were a regard.

Oh ! I have x amount of Jewish Blood line ? poppy cock ! the Jews were not a race but only a religion that mainly were Semitic, but but but but so were many other Tribes that were about back then who were also Semitic, so no race does not cut the mustard and it never ever did.
Gods people are his people who know him and the thing is the history of the Jews banished there own you know. not to mention they were not allowed to come back in unless conditions were met.

Sure go believe the in the race BS but fact is that's all that it is BS. it's stupid and pathetic to play that card, where did we hear that superior race card BS before, old mate Hitler and all his crap.

I even have a Hebrew Sir Name, but that does not make me a Jew, but I know of idiots who get very hostile and claim that I am a Jew regardless of what I say, I am the 5th generation Christian that I know of in my family name and I am proud of my forefathers being Christians and I am not going to be a backsliding Christian that follows the way of the worldly whore, or have some bastard tell me I am a Jew, now if I was not Born Again I may of been led astray by such cunning dogs, but I know Jesus is the Christ, come hell or high water ! I am not going to swallow into temptations of Satanist playing some damned Jew twaddle, idolising men let alone Satanist creeps like the Talmud Whore or bastard Zionist freak show claiming to be Jews. let alone anyone who truly comprehends the OT knows the Talmud and Zionist are not Jews at all. not to mention many such Jews point this fact out. but it's hidden by the Media, who by the way are controlled by Talmud Zionist, not to mention such influence most Christian churches and have worked to undermine them all. even the stupid pope is afraid to mention Jesus Christ nowadays, so he does not offend fools.

Dave L · Dec 18, 2018

Jay Ross said:
This is the passage that you are referring to: -

2 John 7-11: - Beware of Antichrist Deceivers

7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.

9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; 11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

What is the Doctrine of Christ? Christ taught about the Salvation Covenant and the associated Statutes which have been in place since the time of Adam. Those same statutes are the Statutes that God had put in place since the beginning of time.

What makes you think that the doctrine of Christ is only the Sermon on the Mount?

Is that just your private interpretation?

Shalom

The Sermon on the Mount is the doctrine of Christ. The entire NT is built on it. He said the wise do what he says. The foolish, like those who reject it, do not practice it. Mathew calls it "His Doctrine"

“And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:” (Matthew 7:28) (KJV 1900)

And John says any who do not have this, do not have God.

“Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: for he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.” (2 John 9–11) (KJV 1900)

Dave L · Dec 18, 2018

"ByGrace" said:
Okay Dave , I have seen you write this many times now.
So, to get clarification...are you saying that Jesus held The Sermon of the Mount up as the attainable goal of the believers?

If you believe that then we disagree.
Just as it took 4000 years for God to show Israel that without the blood of bulls and goats they could not themselves , keep His law.

I believe Jesus was doing just the same here.
He elevated the conduct of law even higher...to over-prove the point that man cannot keep the requirements of God's law.

"If you just look at a women"
"That whosoever is angry with his brother ..shall be in danger of the judgment"
Etc etc etc...

As I have said before...no one really believed that it can be kept by man. If people really believed it then we would see lots of one eyed one handed Christians around.

It is an impossibility...that was Jesus whole point .

Nothing can be done without it being done through Him.
Man still to this day believes that "they" can do it.
6000 years later, man is still trying to bypass letting go, and agreeing with God.

"ByGrace" said:
Hello thee Dave
Could you please answer my post #45 ...thanks you.

I used to believe your way having been taught it was a means to show us how sinful we are. But here's how I experience the Sermon in my own life.

I recommend all who read this try it to see how it works.

Here's my approach to walking in the Spirit.

“Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;” (2 Corinthians 10:5) (KJV 1900)

We censor every impure thought or imagination. And change the channel in our thinking on any thought that does not conform to obedience to Christ. We stop sin while it is still temptation in the thought realm, before it turns into sin.

And we replace it with:

“Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.” (Philippians 4:8)

Knowing Jesus is God and God is love. So Jesus is lord of our lives when love rules our thoughts and actions.

Dave L · Dec 18, 2018

Ac28 said:
I quit, Dave, unless you attempt to prove your points with scripture. Where is this scripture in John?

The Sermon on the Mount is the doctrine of Christ. The entire NT is built on it. He said the wise do what he says. The foolish, like those who reject it, do not practice it. Mathew calls it "His Doctrine"

“And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:” (Matthew 7:28) (KJV 1900)

And John says any who do not have this, do not have God.

“Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: for he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.” (2 John 9–11) (KJV 1900)

Ac28 · Dec 18, 2018

Dave L said:
The Sermon on the Mount is the doctrine of Christ. The entire NT is built on it. He said the wise do what he says. The foolish, like those who reject it, do not practice it. Mathew calls it "His Doctrine"

“And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:” (Matthew 7:28) (KJV 1900)

And John says any who do not have this, do not have God.

“Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: for he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.” (2 John 9–11) (KJV 1900)

Sermon on the Mount - where is it?

Dave L · Dec 18, 2018

Ac28 said:
Sermon on the Mount - where is it?

Matthew 5-7

Retrobyter · Jan 3, 2019

AlertChristians said:
Jesus Christ Prophesied He Will Not Return Until This Happens

Matthew 23:39
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

...

Shalom, AlertChristians.

Sorry to be away so long. But, if this thread is any sign of the degeneration of this forum, we've got some work to do.
First, there's no divisions of the New Testament nor of the 66 books of the Bible at all. All books of the Bible are God's WORD. If one cannot accept that, then one has no business teaching ABOUT God's Word.
Yeshua` ("Jesus") has NEVER contradicted God's Word in a single point.

Here's a case in point: Romans 11 is in complete agreement with Ephesians 2.

Romans 11:11-32 (KJV)

11I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their "fall" salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them (the children of Israel) to jealousy. 12Now if the "fall" of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 13For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 14If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. 15For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? 16For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. 20Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. 24For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. 29For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Ephesians 2:11-18 (KJV)

11Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12That at that time ye were without (outside of) Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth (citizenship) of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13But now in Christ Jesus ye (Gentiles) who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Stranger · Jan 4, 2019

"ByGrace" said:
Okay Dave , I have seen you write this many times now.
So, to get clarification...are you saying that Jesus held The Sermon of the Mount up as the attainable goal of the believers?

If you believe that then we disagree.
Just as it took 4000 years for God to show Israel that without the blood of bulls and goats they could not themselves , keep His law.

I believe Jesus was doing just the same here.
He elevated the conduct of law even higher...to over-prove the point that man cannot keep the requirements of God's law.

"If you just look at a women"
"That whosoever is angry with his brother ..shall be in danger of the judgment"
Etc etc etc...

As I have said before...no one really believed that it can be kept by man. If people really believed it then we would see lots of one eyed one handed Christians around.

It is an impossibility...that was Jesus whole point .

Nothing can be done without it being done through Him.
Man still to this day believes that "they" can do it.
6000 years later, man is still trying to bypass letting go, and agreeing with God.

Good points. The 'Sermon on the Mount' has been misused and has abused many believers. It has become a rod with which some use to beat the Christians to a pulp with.

A.C. Gaebelein says of it that there are three false applications. 1.) That it is to the unsaved and shows the way of salvation; the way of obtaining a righteous standing before God. 2.) That it is exclusively Christian and the standard by which the Christian should walk. 3.) That it is exclusively Jewish and has no application for the believer today. (The Gospel of Matthew, A.C. Gaebelein, Loizeaux Brothers, 1961, p.106-110)

H.A. Ironside says, "In the so-called 'Sermon on the Mount' our Lord was not preaching the gospel, but He was setting forth the principles of His kingdom, which should guide the lives of all who profess to be His disciples.....For the natural man this sermon is not the way of life, but rather a source of condemnation; for it sets a standard so high and holy that no unsaved person can by any possibility attain to it.....So far as the unsaved are concerned, therefore, the teaching given here becomes...'Law raised to its Nth power.' (Matthew, H.A. Ironside, Kregal, 2005, p. 31-32).

So, no one can be saved by the Sermon on the Mount. It is unattainable. And as a law, no believer can attain to it. But as a believer, these things in the Sermon will characterize us, because they characterize Jesus Christ.

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