Proof of the Trinity. No takers?

justbyfaith said:

God the Father and God the Holy Ghost are one eternal Spirit (Hebrews 9:14); however they are distinct according to what each has experienced, as the Father is the Holy Ghost's "past". While He has descended and then ascended again to become outside of time (Ephesians 4:10, Isaiah 57:15); and is also capable of descending into time again so that He was able to be present at Jesus' baptism after His release to the Father, which according to time was yet future. For God exists in one eternal moment.

not in reply to #699.

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ok, the Spirit is eternal no need to leave eternity, did he not send his "ARM" into the world?.
Ephesians 4:10 "He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)"
is not this God's OWN "ARM?", meaning him, God himself in flesh?, yes,
Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me".

this is why I said study "the Subjective" and the "Objective".

question, God the Holy Spirit is what? "subjective", or abstract. and his own Arm is "Concrete. who manifested into the world? God the Spirit.

so not only is the Holy Spirit is the Father, he's the Son his "OWN ARM". the same person

Spirit without flesh abstract, the Spirit with flesh Concrete.

asnd this existance is continuance, it's the "share" of the Spirit in flesh.

so the Spirit is the Father and the Son, omly shared.

justbyfaith said:

shared implies that one person has the toy while the other person doesn't; and they switch off possessing the toy.

The reality is in that the Spirit is fully God the Father; and the Son is fully indwelt by the Spirit who is the Father.

Thus in order for the word shared to be accurate, both would have to be fully possessing and playing with the toy at the same time.

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first thanks for the reply,
second, ERROR, no switch a rue. do you know what a numerical difference is? 1 and then another, 2. not 2 separate persons, but the "equal" share of the same one person. the same person who is Spirit is the SAME person who is in Flesh. only shared. you have two of the same one PERSON, hence the term "portion", which means share. one in concrete form, and the other still in abstract form. the only difference is this, the concrete form or the Manifestation in flesh is the Intrinsic share of him the spirit that is "abstract" in form and unseen.

understanding now. see in the OT the Spirit appeared in a cloud by day, or in a burning bush. the cloud, the bush is concrete, but the Spirit that appeared in them is abstract.

now bring that to the NEW TESTAMENT. the Spirit "shared" himself in flesh, not appeared, but manifest, first person in flesh. how do he do it, just like us, our spirits are from God, ... right ... right. but Jesus is the Share of his OWNself in flesh. that he sent into time and space, hence "his own ARM". his own ARM is him, shared in concrete form.

understand now?

Dave L said:

“Now I desire to remind you (even though you have been fully informed of these facts once for all) that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, later destroyed those who did not believe.” (Jude 5) (NET)

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I see you might want a response here of Jude 1:5.

I think it is hilarious if you now think Jesus was there with the people of God in the desert. You might as well get an ink stamp with the letters of Jesus imprinted on it and stamp it over all the places you see the English translated ‘Lord.’ Why cannot you see the difference the Jesus is our Master and Lord in the NT and God Almighty as Lord (LORD) in the OT. I think all this craziness started in the 1970s and has just become a hyper-Jesus-Lord-God cult where Jesus has replaced his Father's action in the OT.

Let’s look at Jude 1:5 shall we?

Jude reminds us of what happened in Numbers Chapter 14. God, not Jesus, delivered the people of Israel out of slavery from Egypt into the Promised land. The people came to Kadesh Barnea just before the Promised land. There the folks refused to place their trust in God Almighty, NOT Jesus. They did not have the courage to enter the Promised land. Their faith and endurance were ‘thin.’ So, because of this attitude, most of the adult generation that left Egypt never entered the Promised Land.

So, Jude is saying we as believers must have faith in Jesus Christ and continue the ‘race’ in belief in him until the end of our lives.

Bless you,

APAK

justbyfaith said:

There is one Lord (Ephesians 4:5, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Mark 12:29 (kjv)) Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 8:6, 1 Corinthians 12:3).

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First thanks for the reply, second, the one Lord is God, supportive scripture, "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God".

APAK said:

I think all this craziness started in the 1970s and has just become a hyper-Jesus-Lord-God cult where Jesus has replaced his Father's action in the OT

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Hmm never though of it that way Replacing God wit h Jesus takes away Gods divinity, did He not say " I shall have no other Gods before me" ye men have replaced God with lots of things never though Christ...

devil is so sneeky

101G said:

first thanks for the reply,
second, no private interpretations are allowed.
2 Peter 1:20 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation".
so when you said, "To me, Emmanuel means that the word of God was indwelt". that's your own oponion. oponions don't count unless backed up by scripture. listen,
Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us".

there is only ONE God. but here's the problem with what you said. "Emmanuel means that the word of God was indwelt (became) in Jesus". if that's the case then you're promoting two persons. which directly contridict John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24.

now if you can prove that there are two Person that made all things, who is the CREATOR, then and only then will I even consider your assessment of ""Emmanuel means that the word of God was indwelt (became) in Jesus"

so untill you can reconcile John 1:3 and Isaiah as 44:24 as two separate PERSONS then your oponion is in error with the SCRIPTURES.

will be looking for your answer.

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I see you just have restated Matthew 1:23 once more and saying 'God is with us.' And your point is; that this phrase means that God was reincarnated into Jesus from this single phrase - interesting. And you then add in John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 as extra support I guess. What am I meant to do with this, agree with you? Why do I have to reconcile John 1:3 and Isiah 44:24 to your way of surface thinking. I do not believe as you do. God Almighty used his word and spirit to create everything into existence. And you would say that Jesus did all this. I, with extreme prejudice disagree. You are just cherry-picking scripture to support your pre-defined theory that is not supported in scripture about who is Jesus and his Father.

Again, God Almighty created all that things into existence with his word or logos. Show me where the Greek transliterated word 'logos' ever means a person let alone Jesus Christ. You are building a case on 'sand,' my friend.

And further, I never said there are two persons that created all things. Why are you misapplying my words. Scripture says that God Almighty is the only one and creator of all. Jesus never existed at the beginning of time. Jesus was the in the mind of God as the key player in the plan of salvation history records.

Yes indeed there is one God only and one Jesus Christ and their spirits are uniquely different as mine and yours are also. And even though they are given of God, NOT by the created being and now eternal being called Jesus our Lord and savior as you would believe in.
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My primal axiom is this:
(Deu 6:4) Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our God; Yahweh is one;
(Mar 12:29) Jesus answered: The first is, Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.

Jesus is inferior to God our creator and Father of creation in ALL ways.

What is yours?

It sounds like you have replaced Yahweh with Jesus. If true, then you have then been blinded, indeed, and

mjrhealth said:

Hmm never though of it that way Replacing God wit h Jesus takes away Gods divinity, did He not say " I shall have no other Gods before me" ye men have replaced God with lots of things never though Christ...

devil is so sneeky

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You are right on brother...Bless you

justbyfaith said:

Yeah, he loves to sneak ideas into people's heads apart from fully quoted scripture...

Just as he had to quote "half" a verse in his endeavor to tempt the Lord in Matthew 4:6, Luke 4:10-11. Compare to Psalms 91:11. omitted: "in all thy ways."

But fully quoted scripture he can't handle (Matthew 4:4, Matthew 4:7, Matthew 4:10; Luke 4:4, Luke 4:8, Luke 4:12); and neither can he handle it when the Holy Ghost teaches by comparing scripture (spiritual thing) with scripture (spiritual)...1 Corinthians 2:13 (kjv).

This is a perfect reason why I am kjv-superior in my pov concerning Bible translations, perhaps now even kjv-only. Because other translations tend to omit certain things in certain scriptures, and it turns out that this is a tactic of the devil.

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And that is why we need the Holy Spirit and Jesus and God...

APAK said:

I see you might want a response here of Jude 1:5.

I think it is hilarious if you now think Jesus was there with the people of God in the desert. You might as well get an ink stamp with the letters of Jesus imprinted on it and stamp it over all the places you see the English translated ‘Lord.’ Why cannot you see the difference the Jesus is our Master and Lord in the NT and God Almighty as Lord (LORD) in the OT. I think all this craziness started in the 1970s and has just become a hyper-Jesus-Lord-God cult where Jesus has replaced his Father's action in the OT.

Let’s look at Jude 1:5 shall we?

Jude reminds us of what happened in Numbers Chapter 14. God, not Jesus, delivered the people of Israel out of slavery from Egypt into the Promised land. The people came to Kadesh Barnea just before the Promised land. There the folks refused to place their trust in God Almighty, NOT Jesus. They did not have the courage to enter the Promised land. Their faith and endurance were ‘thin.’ So, because of this attitude, most of the adult generation that left Egypt never entered the Promised Land.

So, Jude is saying we as believers must have faith in Jesus Christ and continue the ‘race’ in belief in him until the end of our lives.

Bless you,

APAK

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If Scripture calls Yahweh Jesus, and says he led the people out of Egypt, who should we listen to, you or Scripture?

justbyfaith said:

Who is the Comforter in 2 Corinthians 1:3-4? The Father is "the God of all comfort." Read it.

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But the Holy Spirit is a distinct person. The Father is a distinct person. And the Son is a distinct person. To see God in anyway different from this is to follow a false Christ and worship an idol of your own making.

justbyfaith said:

As the kjv would put it, But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4:23-24.

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How does this bolster your error of the Holy Spirit being the Father and the Son? It only proves God is Spirit and the rest of scriptures defines the One Spirit as three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.