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Proof of the Trinity. No takers?
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...Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, and today, and for ever...
...praying in the Holy Ghost, keep yourselves in the love of God...
You must agree with your denominational bias. And search for evidence to support it. If you start with the bible instead, you will learn about the true Christ and the nature of the Godhead.
It still remains, you search for evidence to support Charismatic and Oneness views. If you were non denominational and began questioning their beliefs, you would follow Christ and not men.
You cannot have genuine faith in what you do unless it comes from scripture. Faith comes by hearing the word. And scripture does not support the charismatic gifts for today. They only came in the two outpourings and through an apostles hands. So you have a false belief that will not stand the test when challenged. The same is true of your "theology".
There is one Spirit, one Lord, and one God.
Is that Spirit only the Holy Spirit?
Is that Lord only Jesus?
And is that God only the Father?
If so, then each one excludes each of the others.
If not, then they are one and the same Spirit, one and the same Lord, and one and the same God, as 1 Corinthians 12:4-6 says so clearly.
I already won this argument with you in a different thread, but you want to rehash it.
Therefore, as you do with things of the 4th century, now I will do with you concerning this argument.
Go back and look at what the thing was in the other thread.
I do not need to defend my practice of praying in a prayer language to you.
I will go one step further and reiterate my point in the other thread here (send me a link...with your information about how the doctrine of the Trinity developed).
Certain scriptures do not apply to us today (as 1 Corinthians 12 and 1 Corinthians 14)? You should just cut them out of your Bible, they were written only to Corinth until the book of Revelation was completed, and after that they have no bearing on anyone in the church.
And if you can do that with those scriptures, you can do that with any scriptures. Smorgasborg religion.
The word of the Lord isn't timeless, is it?
All of this is true of each person in the Godhead who comprise the one God. In the bible, is the Father God? Is the Son God? Is the Holy Spirit God? At Jesus' baptism is the Father speaking from heaven the Son being baptized? Or was the Son the Holy Spirit who descended onto the Son from the Father in heaven? Or was Jesus, being baptized, the Holy Spirit who descended on him? Or the Father who called him his Son?
You cannot beat the bible. You might think so but you still cannot prove the gifts came in any way apart from the two outpourings or through an apostle's hands. = no genuine faith in the matter.
101G
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Now let us put forth these postulate.
God, who is LORD/Father is "ABSTRACT" that's a FACT? .... John 4:24a .... (Spirit) ... ok.
Jesus, who is Lord/Son is "Concrete" that's a FACT? ... John 1:14 .... (Flesh) ... ok.
now definition time, and let's put it all together.
the Subjective: 1. existing in the mind; belonging to the thinking subject rather than to the object of thought (opposed to objective). 2. pertaining to or characteristic of an individual; personal; individual:
THIS WOULD BE "ABSTRACT"
the Objective: 1. something that one's efforts or actions are intended to attain or accomplish; purpose; goal; target: Examples, the objective of a military attack; the objective of a fund-raising drive.
THIS WOULD BE "CONCCRETE"
Looking at the definitions above, God who is Spirit, is "subjective", abstract. his "character", or "characteristic" as definition #2 of subjective states, is MANIFESTED" in flesh (John 1:14). what do "character", or "characteristic" metaphorically speak of? answer "SON", let's see it, first in definition, then in scriptures.
#2. Definition. according to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words "SON",
G5207, huios primarily signifies the relation of offspring to parent (See John 9:18-John 9:20; Gal 4:30. It is often used metaphorically of prominent moral characteristics (See below). It is used in the NT of (a) male offspring, Gal 4:30; (b) legitimate, as opposed to illegitimate offspring, Heb 12:8; (c) descendants, without reference to sex, Rom 9:27; (d) friends attending a wedding, Matt 9:15; (e) those who enjoy certain privileges, Acts 3:25; (f) those who act in a certain way, whether evil, Matt 23:31, or good, Gal 3:7; (g) those who manifest a certain character, whether evil, Acts 13:10; Eph 2:2, or good, Luke 6:35; Acts 4:36; Rom 8:14;
I suggest one read the definition itself.
#2. now in Scripture. Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high".
"the express image of his person". question, "what do, express image, here means?".
let's see. it's the Greek word,
G5481 χαρακτήρ charakter (cha-rak-teer') n.
1. an engraver (the tool or the person).
2. (by implication) an engraving.
3. (hence) a “character,” the figure stamped.
4. (by extension) an exact copy.
5. (figuratively) a representation.
[from charasso “to sharpen to a point” (akin to G1125 through the idea of scratching)]
KJV: express image
JESUS is the "express "character" of God ownself in flesh. how do we know this? for the scripture states, "of his PERSON". meaning what's in that flesh is God himself. supportive scripture,
Matthew 1:21 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Matthew 1:22 "Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us".
How is God who is Spirit (abstract) with us, man who is (concrete)? by being in the same thing that we are in.... Flesh.... John 1:14
that which was, was, was, "with" God (the Spirit) is now "with" us, man, in flesh as a man, per John 1:1. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was "with" God, and the Word was God".
With here shows "OWNERSHIP". my, my, my, MIND, my ESSENCE, my EXPRESSIONS, is now with you in time and space. which is what I caLL THE "Intrinsic Spatial". or a better name you're more familiar with the incarnation. .... (smile).
when the Spirit, title holder "Father" say my Son while he's on earth, he's saying my Body, my shows OWNERSHIP. when the Son while on earth in flesh says, "My Father", he;s saying My "Spirit", showing OWNERSHIP.
one PERSON, (abstract), MANIFESTED, or INCARNATED in flesh, (concrete). existing in one "another" at the same time, only the Son MANIFESTING at a certian place, or Spatial at a certian time being made G2758 κενόω kenoo, hence the reason why the statement, "My Father is "GREATER" than I". you bet, because, while in flesh, meaning in Spatial at a certian in time, yes the Father, Spirit who is every where is "GREATER, in quantity, and not in quality. man this is just too easy.
see, by knowing the concrete status of the Son of God, it answers the John 14:28 "my Father is greater than I", question.
@justbyfaith, I told you, the terms "Son of Man, and "Son of God" holds tons of information.
be blessed all.
God, who is LORD/Father is "ABSTRACT" that's a FACT? .... John 4:24a .... (Spirit) ... ok.
Jesus, who is Lord/Son is "Concrete" that's a FACT? ... John 1:14 .... (Flesh) ... ok.
now definition time, and let's put it all together.
the Subjective: 1. existing in the mind; belonging to the thinking subject rather than to the object of thought (opposed to objective). 2. pertaining to or characteristic of an individual; personal; individual:
THIS WOULD BE "ABSTRACT"
the Objective: 1. something that one's efforts or actions are intended to attain or accomplish; purpose; goal; target: Examples, the objective of a military attack; the objective of a fund-raising drive.
THIS WOULD BE "CONCCRETE"
Looking at the definitions above, God who is Spirit, is "subjective", abstract. his "character", or "characteristic" as definition #2 of subjective states, is MANIFESTED" in flesh (John 1:14). what do "character", or "characteristic" metaphorically speak of? answer "SON", let's see it, first in definition, then in scriptures.
#2. Definition. according to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words "SON",
G5207, huios primarily signifies the relation of offspring to parent (See John 9:18-John 9:20; Gal 4:30. It is often used metaphorically of prominent moral characteristics (See below). It is used in the NT of (a) male offspring, Gal 4:30; (b) legitimate, as opposed to illegitimate offspring, Heb 12:8; (c) descendants, without reference to sex, Rom 9:27; (d) friends attending a wedding, Matt 9:15; (e) those who enjoy certain privileges, Acts 3:25; (f) those who act in a certain way, whether evil, Matt 23:31, or good, Gal 3:7; (g) those who manifest a certain character, whether evil, Acts 13:10; Eph 2:2, or good, Luke 6:35; Acts 4:36; Rom 8:14;
I suggest one read the definition itself.
#2. now in Scripture. Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high".
"the express image of his person". question, "what do, express image, here means?".
let's see. it's the Greek word,
G5481 χαρακτήρ charakter (cha-rak-teer') n.
1. an engraver (the tool or the person).
2. (by implication) an engraving.
3. (hence) a “character,” the figure stamped.
4. (by extension) an exact copy.
5. (figuratively) a representation.
[from charasso “to sharpen to a point” (akin to G1125 through the idea of scratching)]
KJV: express image
JESUS is the "express "character" of God ownself in flesh. how do we know this? for the scripture states, "of his PERSON". meaning what's in that flesh is God himself. supportive scripture,
Matthew 1:21 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Matthew 1:22 "Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us".
How is God who is Spirit (abstract) with us, man who is (concrete)? by being in the same thing that we are in.... Flesh.... John 1:14
that which was, was, was, "with" God (the Spirit) is now "with" us, man, in flesh as a man, per John 1:1. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was "with" God, and the Word was God".
With here shows "OWNERSHIP". my, my, my, MIND, my ESSENCE, my EXPRESSIONS, is now with you in time and space. which is what I caLL THE "Intrinsic Spatial". or a better name you're more familiar with the incarnation. .... (smile).
when the Spirit, title holder "Father" say my Son while he's on earth, he's saying my Body, my shows OWNERSHIP. when the Son while on earth in flesh says, "My Father", he;s saying My "Spirit", showing OWNERSHIP.
one PERSON, (abstract), MANIFESTED, or INCARNATED in flesh, (concrete). existing in one "another" at the same time, only the Son MANIFESTING at a certian place, or Spatial at a certian time being made G2758 κενόω kenoo, hence the reason why the statement, "My Father is "GREATER" than I". you bet, because, while in flesh, meaning in Spatial at a certian in time, yes the Father, Spirit who is every where is "GREATER, in quantity, and not in quality. man this is just too easy.
see, by knowing the concrete status of the Son of God, it answers the John 14:28 "my Father is greater than I", question.
@justbyfaith, I told you, the terms "Son of Man, and "Son of God" holds tons of information.
be blessed all.
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101G
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I know he is REAL Spiritually, but you're not spiritual. listen is not God LOVE, now Dave is LOVE abstract or concrete. ...
your answer please.“For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool. David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly.” (Mark 12:36–37) (KJV 1900)
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