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Many are taught that we are no longer under the law, that Jesus covers us while we keep sinning. That is not freedom from sin, and a false doctrine of the most perverse kind. Jude calls it, "turning the grace of God into laciviousness. If you are being taught unmerited favor, RUN! No, Jesus was manifested to take away our sin, and in Him there is no sin. And Paul says, I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. So Paul is teaching what Jesus taught.
Romans 6:14 tells us that we are not under the law but under grace, and that because of this, sin shall not have dominion over us. If we are in Christ sin will not be imputed to us, Romans 4:8. In Psalms 51:3 is a prayer of confession that can be salvational if certain other things are also prayed. In 1 John 1:9 we find that the future sins confessed through the prayer in Psalms 51:3 are forgiven. And because we are forgiven much, we love much (Luke 7:36-50, 1 John 4:19, Romans 5:5). This love is not in word or in tongue only but in deed and in truth (1 John 3:17-18) and it is the fulfilling of the law (Romans 5:5, Romans 8:4 (kjv); Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14).
People lose every grip upon the road when they extend that to mean that Christians who love the law are somehow rejecting grace, then they leave the road entirely and drive over the cliff when they conclude that the law and grace are opposites.
I agree...see Romans 4:16.
Two things, first, we are not judged according to our works.
Actually, we will be (2 Corinthians 5:10, Revelation 20:12-13, 1 Peter 1:17) though if anyone is saved, he is saved by grace (Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:4-7, Romans 11:5-6, Romans 4:1-8). The answer is in 2 Corinthians 5:17.
Excellent, well said.
I have only just noticed this thread. So a little late reading it!
Bless you...H
Amen...I also came into this thread majorly late...trying to catch up.
You cannot claim grace being free from Gods law
Grace means we are forgiven and therefore the law no longer condemns us. An outworking of real grace is that there will be a transformation of character so that obedience to the law is the result...however this is not through attempts to adhere to a set of do's and don'ts. Rather, it is the supernatural outworking of being filled with the Holy Spirit. In Galatians 5:22-23, we find that there are certain fruits borne by those who have the Holy Spirit and that there is no law that will condemn those who consistently bear those fruits. Thus the righteousness that Christ imputes and also imparts to us, which is not of the law, is attested to by the law and the prophets...Romans 3:21.
Last time I checked
@Phoneman777 was not...but, I live in hope!!
I don't like the word universalist....but I do stand in believing in UR
Acts 3:21 "
Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began."
That is very interesting...but what is your take on Matthew 25:46, Matthew 13:41-42, and Matthew 13:49-50?
I myself quoted Pauls own words...
Romans 3:7 "If the truth of God is being spread by my lie ....
You need to take Paul's words in context...he was showing forth what is a certain attitude that he saw in people...you conveniently left out the fact that Paul said of them that their condemnation is just.
I digress...
Paul wrote Romans.
He can say what he wants, because he has a circular reasoning.
He makes himself the 13th apostle, after murdering Christians he tells you he had a conversion which demands 100% BLIND FAITH on the readers part that it actually happened, he uses his own testimony to prove it happened (as he has no witness testimony), once he has the readers trust he admits he is a Pharisee growing in Christ (yeast makes bread rise and become all puffed up), he lies (so a liar), tells others not to lie (a hypocrite) and Jesus, John, James, Timothy....All give apparent warnings that clearly point to: a liar, a pharisee, a wolf etc
And people will still not even question it.
Paul did not lie...
And Paul's testimony is substantiated by the fact that it was witnessed by many that, after arriving at Damascus, he began to preach Jesus, when previously he had been dragging Christians into prison. How else do you think this conversion happened other than the way Paul said it happened? You are beginning with the premise that Paul was a liar...I can see that you don't trust in the sovereignty of God. God, in His love, Omnipotence, and sovereignty, chose to place Paul's writings in our New Testament...and to me this speaks volumes as to the veracity and acceptability of the scriptures in question.
Hi
@1stCenturyLady...
You probably didn't take me off of ignore, but I want to comment on that verse.
John is very likely using hyperbole there (see Romans 4:5). He is not teaching that we will never sin again as Christians, but is exaggerating to make the point that there will be a definite transformation of character once you are born again. John is saying the same thing as Paul in 2 Corinthians 5:17. When we are born again we change our direction from being towards sin and unholiness to being towards righteousness, goodness, and holiness. So as time passes from the moment we are born again, we will sin progressively less (see Proverbs 4:18) until, perhaps, we may even obtain the level of holiness called entire sanctification in scripture. We do not necessarily die and go to be with the Lord the moment we obtain it...however I would say that if we did obtain it, we would not be aware of it...1 John 1:8, Job 9:21 (kjv), Isaiah 42:19 (kjv), John 9:41.
