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I know everyone loves this scripture.....Mark 16:14-18. This scriture has bothered my most of my christian life. I guess because no one could explain it to make sense. Can anyone shed light on this?
 

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Symbolic language is not to be taken literally, but the essence of the language should be simple. serpents mean evil or danger that God gives us power over. Take the gospel to the world and I will take care of you and protect you and bless you
 

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Symbolic language is not to be taken literally, but the essence of the language should be simple. serpents mean evil or danger that God gives us power over. Take the gospel to the world and I will take care of you and protect you and bless you
I understand this much....I guess I am looking for more details.We are to preach (proclaim) the gospel.Those that believe and is baptized shall be saved.(why are they both mentioned here?)Those that do not believe will be condemed...I understand!These signs shall follow them that believe...Is this everyone? Just the apostles?In my name...Cast out devils (authority over demons)Shall speak with new tongues(tongues? clean speech?)Take up serpents(Power over the demons...this is not literally picking up snakes..could this have any thing to do with them in the wilderness when they looked upon the serpent head and no harm came to them?)drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them.(this one I question..could it mean by drink, something we take into our mind...deadly poison... satanic attack?)Lay hands on the sick and they shall recover ...I understand this one!I am searching for more details..if anyone has them.
 

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I understand this much....I guess I am looking for more details.We are to preach (proclaim) the gospel.Those that believe and is baptized shall be saved.(why are they both mentioned here?)Those that do not believe will be condemed...I understand!These signs shall follow them that believe...Is this everyone? Just the apostles?In my name...Cast out devils (authority over demons)Shall speak with new tongues(tongues? clean speach?)Take up serpents(Power over the demons...this is not literally picking up snakes..could this have any thing to do with them in the wilderness when they looked upon the serpent head and no harm came to them?)drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them.(this one I question..could it mean by drink, something we take into our mind...deadly poison... satanic attack?)Lay hands on the sick and they shall recover ...I understand this one!I am searching for more details..if anyone has them.
they are both mentioned because believe requires repentance and the holy spirit comes to you think of Jesus here he always believed but the holy spirit did not come on him til he was baptised.Yes it applies to everyone but in those days there was no large church body the command to go forth and preach the Word was given to them but as the church body grew it was the command to the entire body of the chruchTongues here is the same word we have discussed before in means the natural languages of men they had not known before So they could preach the Gospel around the World as commanded it did not spread the Word if one preached in Greek to a spannish audiencethey needed to speak the language of the peoples they were speaking to 1 Cor. this is the same thing. The command is preach the gospel around the World. And yeah I have to agree with you here the poison could very well be sybolic for lies of Satan. But it could also be literalto the power of healing and laying on of hands I say this because it implies one can choose to drink a deadly thing why would a believer choose to drink in the poison of Satan/or deadly things? And I completly agree with you on the snake being symbolic
 

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they are both mentioned because believe requires repentance and the holy spirit comes to you think of Jesus here he always believed but the holy spirit did not come on him til he was baptised.Yes it applies to everyone but in those days there was no large church body the command to go forth and preach the Word was given to them but as the church body grew it was the command to the entire body of the chruchTongues here is the same word we have discussed before in means the natural languages of men they had not known before So they could preach the Gospel around the World as commanded it did not spread the Word if one preached in Greek to a spannish audiencethey needed to speak the language of the peoples they were speaking to 1 Cor. this is the same thing. The command is preach the gospel around the World. And yeah I have to agree with you here the poison could very well be sybolic for lies of Satan. But it could also be literalto the power of healing and laying on of hands I say this because it implies one can choose to drink a deadly thing why would a believer choose to drink in the poison of Satan/or deadly things? And I completly agree with you on the snake being symbolic
This must be a first... that we agree on most of this. We will just have to agree to disagree on the tongues, I do not believe there main purpose was to preach.It is not that a christian would willingly drink of the poison of satan, but sometimes even christians buy in to his lies.
 

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true thats why I dont completly disagree that poison it could be symbology but here we are talking the very apostels being given the full knowledge of God And as far as tonuges not to argue this again but your idea of it being anything but forgein languages of men defies common sense how were these few greek and hebrew aposetels supposed to preach Gods word to the World if they couldnt speak their languages. Its just not possable. The word means natural languages of men period Preach the gospel strating the church this is the subject. I know you will disgree but thats your belief not what it says. but we know we wont agree on this so no point going over this againGod Bless
 

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true thats why I dont completly disagree that poison it could be symbology but here we are talking the very apostels being given the full knowledge of God And as far as tonuges not to argue this again but your idea of it being anything but forgein languages of men defies common sense how were these few greek and hebrew aposetels supposed to preach Gods word to the World if they couldnt speak their languages. Its just not possable. The word means natural languages of men period Preach the gospel strating the church this is the subject. I know you will disgree but thats your belief not what it says. but we know we wont agree on this so no point going over this againGod Bless
Will you point out the post that I said tongues were not a language? I have always said they were a known languge, just not to the one speaking.All things are possible with God! In other threads I have shown that tongues were to magnify-praise God..not to spread the gospel. If tongues were for that reason then the missionaries would not have to learn a language. We still have the Holy Spirit...He still manifest himself through people and will not stop until we come face to face and know as we are known. That said I believe the new(one the speaker does not know) tongues refers to the manifestation of the Holy Spirit.
 

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M'r:16:14: Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.It may seem hard to understand and explain why these people, who had been with him for years and seen so much could now not believe.But it's the same today - people believe that Jesus did all that the gospels say, and that he rose from the dead and ascended .. . but when it comes to the receiving of the Spirit, speaking in tongues like all Jesus' disciples did, they have unbelief and hardness of heart!Same Jesus! - no change!:15: And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.What gospel did they preach?A words-only message about Jesus?Certainly not!Read Acts and compare it to the next few verses!:16: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.How do you know if you are believing?The devils believe!:17: And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;:18: They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.All of the signs already encountered in Luke 10:9, 19 whe Jesus sent the 70 out . . . with the addition of speaking in new tongues. New as in new testament, new tomb, new wine.Why should the e be a new sign?- because God confirmed previous covenants with a specific sign - the rainbow in Gen.9:12-16, circumcision in Gen.17:11.The New Testament is about being a new creature, having a new heart. Fitting then that the sign of becoming that should be a new tongue.We see that the other signs continued to follow at other times, like travelling to a new city, there are different signs on the way to actually getting there.The covenant has not changed, neither can it (Gal.3:15). These signs still follow believers when the need arises.The need for tongues is instantaneous - "for we know not what we should pray for as we ought:" (Romans 8:26) - that's why all spoke in tongues, even when there was no-oone else there who needed the gospel preached to them - see Acts 10:44-46, 19:5-6.This is confirmed by the clear statements in 1 Cor. 14:2, 4 that tongues is not for speaking to men, but to God, it edifies the speaker.
 

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The subject of Mark 16 is Jesus Christ and to rightly divide the word the subject is him and his command 14Later Jesus appeared to the Eleven as they were eating; he rebuked them for their lack of faith and their stubborn refusal to believe those who had seen him after he had risen. 15He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. Now you can follow a belief in some strange tongue if you must but you can not use Mark 16 as proof of it the subject here is to do as Christ commands and preach the gospel around the World its not prayer its not edifiying its not honering It's the very command to start the christian ChurchNew simply means new to them they went to Asia and all around the World they would hear languages that were new to them and they need to know them if any of us were to get sent to deepest Africa to preach the Word we would hear new languages we have never heard.(1) The term tongues (in Greek glossa, plural glossais) when used of human speech always refers to the speaking of actual human languages.59 In the Greek translation of the Old Testament (the Septuagint) the word glossa occurs thirty times and always refers to real human languages.
 

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Doesn't it make sense that people who actually believe in an unknown tongue, even though that word is in italic in the KJV... they are worshipping an UNKNOWN God. (II Corinthians 11:4) God wants us to understand His Word and His Truth.
 

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I know everyone loves this scripture.....Mark 16:14-18. This scriture has bothered my most of my christian life. I guess because no one could explain it to make sense. Can anyone shed light on this?
Mark 16:15-18 (King James Version)And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
I believe that Jesus is saying... these miraculous signs will follow those who go into the world and preach the good news. As you go, these signs will follow you. It's not something you turn on or off... or orcestrate like a magician. They follow you, as you go into the world and preach the good news to all of creation.If you are not seeing these works follow you... then the only reasonable explaination *I think* is that you are not doing this. Now, don't take that personally because I AM NOT DOING IT EITHER. I am, I believe, certainly called to tell of Jesus Christ, and share the good news. I am also at a place in my life where God has called me, recently married, starting a family, and hoping to raise Godly children. If God were to call my wife and I into the missionary feild, to preach the Gospel to all creatures as Jesus is speaking of here... I have no doubt that these signs would follow us. I have heard from various people who have gone into the world to do this, even raising of the dead from a friend at a previous church I was a regular member of when he was in Uganda w/ his wife.That is my understanding. These signs FOLLOW YOU into the world, as you are called to preach the good news.
 

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M'r:16:14: Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.It may seem hard to understand and explain why these people, who had been with him for years and seen so much could now not believe.But it's the same today - people believe that Jesus did all that the gospels say, and that he rose from the dead and ascended .. . but when it comes to the receiving of the Spirit, speaking in tongues like all Jesus' disciples did, they have unbelief and hardness of heart!Same Jesus! - no change!:15: And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.What gospel did they preach?A words-only message about Jesus?Certainly not!Read Acts and compare it to the next few verses!:16: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.How do you know if you are believing?The devils believe!:17: And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;:18: They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.All of the signs already encountered in Luke 10:9, 19 whe Jesus sent the 70 out . . . with the addition of speaking in new tongues. New as in new testament, new tomb, new wine.Why should the e be a new sign?- because God confirmed previous covenants with a specific sign - the rainbow in Gen.9:12-16, circumcision in Gen.17:11.The New Testament is about being a new creature, having a new heart. Fitting then that the sign of becoming that should be a new tongue.We see that the other signs continued to follow at other times, like travelling to a new city, there are different signs on the way to actually getting there.The covenant has not changed, neither can it (Gal.3:15). These signs still follow believers when the need arises.The need for tongues is instantaneous - "for we know not what we should pray for as we ought:" (Romans 8:26) - that's why all spoke in tongues, even when there was no-oone else there who needed the gospel preached to them - see Acts 10:44-46, 19:5-6.This is confirmed by the clear statements in 1 Cor. 14:2, 4 that tongues is not for speaking to men, but to God, it edifies the speaker.
I like the way you tied all that in. It makes things clearer for me, Thanks!
 

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The subject of Mark 16 is Jesus Christ and to rightly divide the word the subject is him and his command 14Later Jesus appeared to the Eleven as they were eating; he rebuked them for their lack of faith and their stubborn refusal to believe those who had seen him after he had risen. 15He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. Now you can follow a belief in some strange tongue if you must but you can not use Mark 16 as proof of it the subject here is to do as Christ commands and preach the gospel around the World its not prayer its not edifiying its not honering It's the very command to start the christian ChurchNew simply means new to them they went to Asia and all around the World they would hear languages that were new to them and they need to know them if any of us were to get sent to deepest Africa to preach the Word we would hear new languages we have never heard.(1) The term tongues (in Greek glossa, plural glossais) when used of human speech always refers to the speaking of actual human languages.59 In the Greek translation of the Old Testament (the Septuagint) the word glossa occurs thirty times and always refers to real human languages.
I lean more toward tallman interpretation.
 

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Doesn't it make sense that people who actually believe in an unknown tongue, even though that word is in italic in the KJV... they are worshipping an UNKNOWN God. (II Corinthians 11:4) God wants us to understand His Word and His Truth.
Even without the unknown. It still says that the one speaking the tongues does not understand..that is why the unknown is there. It does not mean that it is unknown to the worlds languages.
 

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Mark 16:15-18 (King James Version)And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
I believe that Jesus is saying... these miraculous signs will follow those who go into the world and preach the good news. As you go, these signs will follow you. It's not something you turn on or off... or orcestrate like a magician. They follow you, as you go into the world and preach the good news to all of creation.If you are not seeing these works follow you... then the only reasonable explaination *I think* is that you are not doing this. Now, don't take that personally because I AM NOT DOING IT EITHER. I am, I believe, certainly called to tell of Jesus Christ, and share the good news. I am also at a place in my life where God has called me, recently married, starting a family, and hoping to raise Godly children. If God were to call my wife and I into the missionary feild, to preach the Gospel to all creatures as Jesus is speaking of here... I have no doubt that these signs would follow us. I have heard from various people who have gone into the world to do this, even raising of the dead from a friend at a previous church I was a regular member of when he was in Uganda w/ his wife.That is my understanding. These signs FOLLOW YOU into the world, as you are called to preach the good news.
These signs follow those that believe...manifestations of belief. It has nothing to do with preaching. Yes it says to preach(proclaim) the gospel. But connecting tongues with this is way off. If the manifestation of the Holy Spirit is still here, which I believe are...then why do people still have to learn a language to preach overseas. You can not have it both ways.
 

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These signs follow those that believe...manifestations of belief. It has nothing to do with preaching. Yes it says to preach(proclaim) the gospel. But connecting tongues with this is way off. If the manifestation of the Holy Spirit is still here, which I believe are...then why do people still have to learn a language to preach overseas. You can not have it both ways.
You would think so... but having it both ways? I'm not sure why you singled out tongues, but since you did all I have to say is that a man having to learn another language is of complete opinion. Certainly, it would be useful... but God can do whatever is necessary to sustain the life of His saints and to get His word out through them. These signs will follow those who believe, proclaiming the good news to the world.
 

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This is part of the Great commission it says unto the eleven. He was shaming them for their unbelief, because they did not believe those that had seen him. He tells them to go and preach the gospel to everyone.Those that believe will be saved.Those do not will be condemned.These signs will follow them that do believe....I take this as visible signs for the disciples to see.1. Cast out devils in Jesus name.2. Speak with new tongues.(I see this as speaking in tongues)3. They shall take up serpents. (in Luke 10:19 tells of the power over serpents and scorpions..enemy..nothing shall by any means hurt you.)I see this is power over the domonic spirits..not literally picking up snakes.I am studing in Ex. about when they were to look upon the serpents head, but have not made a connection yet.4. The drinking any deadly thing(this one I still can not figure). Some of the readings as I understand them...they talk about drinking as in taking something into your mind (Satan messing with your mind) that this will not harm a christian.....I haven't quite taken this in yet, I want scriptures to back it up not just someones opinion.5. Laying on the hands to heal the sick...scriptures back this one up.anyway...The gospel was to be preached, but these visible signs were to be seen in those that believed. Not to spread the gospel-that is done by preaching(proclaiming).I like the way tallman said it was a sign of a covenant. Do we still see these signs today?
 

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You would think so... but having it both ways? I'm not sure why you singled out tongues, but since you did all I have to say is that a man having to learn another language is of complete opinion. Certainly, it would be useful... but God can do whatever is necessary to sustain the life of His saints and to get His word out through them. These signs will follow those who believe, proclaiming the good news to the world.
I singled out tongues because this was brought up by others trying to connect preaching the gospel and tongues and it is not scriptural.
 

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I understand this much....I guess I am looking for more details.We are to preach (proclaim) the gospel.Those that believe and is baptized shall be saved.(why are they both mentioned here?)Those that do not believe will be condemed...I understand!These signs shall follow them that believe...Is this everyone? Just the apostles?In my name...Cast out devils (authority over demons)Shall speak with new tongues(tongues? clean speech?)Take up serpents(Power over the demons...this is not literally picking up snakes..could this have any thing to do with them in the wilderness when they looked upon the serpent head and no harm came to them?)drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them.(this one I question..could it mean by drink, something we take into our mind...deadly poison... satanic attack?)Lay hands on the sick and they shall recover ...I understand this one!I am searching for more details..if anyone has them.

Those that believe and is baptized shall be saved.(why are they both mentioned here?)
They are both mentioned because they are both needed. There are many people that believe scriptures but have not accepted Christ yet. The word baptism comes from baptisnmo whish means to be immersed completely When you receive Christ you become immersed into Him or His body and become part of the body of Christ. So if you have received Christ you are fine you don't need water baptism but I'd encourage you to. Water baptism is I believe a way of physically showing you identify with Christ I hope this makes sense.
These signs shall follow them that believe...Is this everyone? Just the apostles?
This refers to all that believe and not just the apostles beside there were records of miracles from other believers that were not apostlesActs 6:8 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people.stephen was not an apostle he was selected by the apostles to fill the office of a minister Acts 6:1&3-41 And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.3Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business. 4But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.
Shall speak with new tongues
It means what it means you either believe it or you don't. I refrain from this subject because it is a bit controversial but i would remind you that paul even mentions angel tongues or language1 Corinthians 13 1Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them.(this one I question..could it mean by drink, something we take into our mind...deadly poison... satanic attack?)
Again this is clear. I believe it means drink since satanic attack has been dealt with in the statement about casting out devils and picking up serpents.However I would like to put emphasis on a few words(1) Jesus name(2)believe. make sure you fully understand these concepts before attempting anything foolish. Jesus spent about 3 and a half years with His disciples teaching them and guiding them and paul said he spent about 14 years in arabia this men were fully convinced in their faith. I hope this is clear and is of help to your questions?
 

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Numbers 21 Speaks of a fiery serpent. What do these serpents represent? I have heard that brass represented something in the Bible, but I can not remember.I am trying to study Mark 16...the part of the serpents.