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I have proved otherwise.There is no way that the papacy can be equated with the Antichrist.
The Criteria of Antichrist.
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I have proved otherwise.There is no way that the papacy can be equated with the Antichrist.
You believe you have proved this but that does not mean that the papacy is the Antichrist.I have proved otherwise.
The Criteria of Antichrist.
The Antichrist must arise within the church, not outside, which is what a renegade Jew would be.There is no way that the papacy can be equated with the Antichrist. The Pope may turn out to be his ally, but the Antichrist must be a renegade Jew claiming to be Messiah and having access to the future temple at Jerusalem.
There is no way that Sunday worship is the Mark of the Beast, or paper currency is the Mark of the Beast. That mark will be a literal *brand* on those who submit to the Antichrist. It will probably be an electronic chip implanted in the right hand or in the forehead (Rev 13:16-18)
The problem with your "beast is a currency" idea is that there's no Biblical precedent for it. What we do have as a precedent is the symbol of a "beast" interpreted as a "kingdom"...several times. And the only kingdom to fit all the identifying marks of prophecy's Antichrist is the papacy.Fiat currency is the only thing that fulfills all the characteristics of the mark of the beast,
1. You cannot buy or sell without it.
2. It is used everywhere in the world.
3. It is issued to everyone rich and poor, small and great.
4. It is an abomination because through its lack of intrinsic value, which the bankers leverage devaluation and inflation with, thus making it a false quantity, which is forbidden in the Torah.
Whoever denies this in favor for RFID chips and 666 tattoos fantasies, or Sunday worship nonsense, is truly an idiot. He's waiting for something that's never going to happen, because its already here, because he has failed to perceive that the prophecies in Revelation regarding this are symbolic, not realizing that the fiat currency he's already using daily is that mark, because it is an abomination according to the Torah of God. It is actually because many of you people do not know the commands of the Torah of God that you fail to identify the mark of the beast, which is why it is written, "keep the commandments of God and have the belief of Yeshuah".... the commandments of God are found in the Torah. Your own lawlessness prevents you from perceiving the truth, which is why you cannot perceive the evil of fiat currency.
So, when Jesus told John the Baptist, "Suffer it (Jesus' baptism) to be so, for it becomes us to fulfill all righteousness", that means "righteousness" is no longer required, no longer in effect, right?Fulfill means no longer required, no longer in effect.
That's a pretty bold statement. What are the commands of the "Torah"?It is actually because many of you people do not know the commands of the Torah of God that you fail to identify the mark of the beast, which is why it is written, "keep the commandments of God and have the belief of Yeshuah".... the commandments of God are found in the Torah. Your own lawlessness prevents you from perceiving the truth, which is why you cannot perceive the evil of fiat currency.
You are correct...there is no individual pope who has met the prerequisites of this prophecy. But nowhere have I suggested that any individual pope is the Antichrist. The 'beast' for example of Revelation 13:1,2 is a kingdom, not an individual. The man of sin, which Paul said would rise up immediately after his departing, and whose "mystery of lawlessness ' which he embodies would also be destroyed at the second coming. This cannot pertain to any individual, but a succession of individuals, as the reformers believed.You believe you have proved this but that does not mean that the papacy is the Antichrist.
One would need to bring all the prophecies regarding the Man of Sin together to see that this man is a Jew who has access to the future temple in Jerusalem in order to set up the Abomination of Desolation and also declare himself to be God, while blaspheming God. Here is the key to understanding this (Dan 11:36-38):
And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
There is no pope who has fitted (or will fit) this description.
The problem with your "beast is a currency" idea is that there's no Biblical precedent for it. What we do have as a precedent is the symbol of a "beast" interpreted as a "kingdom"...several times. And the only kingdom to fit all the identifying marks of prophecy's Antichrist is the papacy.
That's a pretty bold statement. What are the commands of the "Torah"?
There is no denying this. But it does not automatically translate into the Mark of the Beast.Fiat currency is a false quantity.
1. Whether a Jesuit was involved in interpreting Scripture is beside the point. We have to go back to the fact that just as Jesus of Nazareth -- a true Jew descended from David-- was the true Messiah, the Antichrist will also be a Jew (a man) in place of, and in opposition to the Christ (which is what Antichristos means). He may even claim descent from David, since Orthodox Jews know the prophecies regarding the Son of David.How can you with such certainty write off the explicitly fulfilled criteria that history attests to, while exalting a supposition for which there is no evidence outside of the relatively modern futuristic hermeneutic which was invented by a 16th century Jesuit?
Repeating your premise over and over is not a reasonable answer to the direct challenge I've made to it.Do you not understand that the Torah and the prophets say,
You shall do no wrong in judgment, in measures of length or weight or quantity. You shall have honest balances, honest weights, an honest ephah, and an honest hin: I am Yehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt.
Leviticus 19:35-36
You shall not have in your bag two kinds of weights, a large and a small. You shall not have in your house two kinds of measures, a large and a small. A full and honest weight you shall have, a full and honest ephah you shall have, that your days may be long in the land that Yehovah your God is giving you. For all who do such things, all who behave unrighteously, are an abomination to Yehovah your God.
Deuteronomy 25:13-16
A false balance is an abomination to Yehovah, but an honest weight is his delight.
Proverbs 11:1
Unequal weights and unequal measures are both alike an abomination to Yehovah.
Proverbs 20:10
You shall use honest scales, a just ephah, and a just bath. The ephah and the bath shall be the same quantity so that the bath will contain a tenth of a homer, and the ephah a tenth of a homer; the homer will be the standard measure for both. The shekel will consist of twenty gerahs. Twenty shekels plus twenty-five shekels plus fifteen shekels will equal one mina.
Ezekiel 45:10-12
Fiat currency is a false quantity. Let me repeat, FIAT CURRENCY IS A FALSE QUANTITY. AGAIN, FIAT CURRENCY IS A FALSE QUANTITY. ONE MORE TIME, FIAT CURRENCY IS A FALSE QUANTITY. AND AGAIN, IF YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND AND GET IT IN YOUR HEAD, FIAT CURRENCY IS A FALSE QUANTITY. Wake up! And stop being ignorant. The Torah reveals fiat currency to be evil, the mark of the beast according to Revelation in our time, fulfilling all the characteristics of the mark.
That's interesting because Solomon - the wisest man who ever lived - said "money is a defence"...by implication against hunger, against homelessness, against sickness, etc.I just quoted them to you in the last post before this one. Read the commands, and become informed, and stop rejecting the truth that fiat currency is evil.
I've shown you that the Antichrist is NOT ONCE spoken of as arising from outside the church, but from within the church.One would need to bring all the prophecies regarding the Man of Sin together to see that this man is a Jew...
No "future temple" in Jerusalem -- where the blasphemous sacrificial system resumed therein represents an official "In Your face, Lamb of God!" -- will EVER be recognized by Him or described by anyone under Holy Spirit inspiration as "the temple of God'....who has access to the future temple in Jerusalem
To properly understand what is the Abomination of Desolation, let the Bible explain it: The Abomination of Desolation | Free Book Library | Amazing Facts...in order to set up the Abomination of Desolation and also declare himself to be God, while blaspheming God.
the Bishop of RomeHere is the key to understanding this (Dan 11:36-38):
And the king shall do according to his will
The office of the papacy claims whoever officiates over it is "god on Earth" and "grants forgiveness of sins". Can a man get any more bold and blasphemous than that?...and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods
Daniel says that in the last days Judgment, the "Little Horn" papacy will still be large and in charge and running off at the mouth until he in the end is cast into the fire....and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
You need to put aside your Jesuit Futurism ideas for a moment and take a hard look at why the Great Reformers believed the papacy is Antichrist. Then you'd see why it was necessary for papists to manufacture Jesuit Futurism as a defensive diversionary tactic against the attacks of Historicism by the Protestant Reformation.There is no pope who has fitted (or will fit) this description.
There is no denying this. But it does not automatically translate into the Mark of the Beast.
Repeating your premise over and over is not a reasonable answer to the direct challenge I've made to it.
Once again, are you able or not to point to a single text in all of Scripture where a "beast" is interpreted by man, angel, or God as "currency" in the same way that I've pointed to Daniel 7:17 and Daniel 7:23 where "beast" is clearly interpreted as "kingdom"?
That's interesting because Solomon - the wisest man who ever lived - said "money is a defence"...by implication against hunger, against homelessness, against sickness, etc.
Are you wiser than he in calling it "evil"?
So, the "Mark" is currency. So, that means the Federal Reserve Bank is the Beast? Or is it the U.S. Mint? Or the IMF?The book of Revelation says you "cannot buy or sell" without it, therefore, this makes the mark CURRENCY. How much longer will you refuse to accept the truth?
So, the "Mark" is currency. So, that means the Federal Reserve Bank is the Beast? Or is it the U.S. Mint? Or the IMF?
Question:
Since the "Beast" is said to speak "blasphemies" and the Bible in no uncertain terms defines "blasphemy" as:
...when has the Fed, the Mint, or the IMF claimed such power?
- a sinful man claiming to be God (Luke 5:21)
- a sinful man claiming the power to forgive sin (John 10:33)
See what I did there? I've shown you that currency can't be the "Mark" because no institution that issues currency qualifies as a religious apostate power that makes such audacious claims - the very claims that the papal Beast boldly makes to the church, the religious world - to God's throne.
Currency, like cars, computers, etc., is simply a "tool" of the Beast, not it's Mark. If you want to know what the Mark of the Beast is, just ask the papal Beast. They'll tell you: Sunday sacredness.
Claiming you've "discovered" the Mark of the Beast without first telling us who is the Beast - and squaring up your "Beast" with all the identifying marks which pertain to it in Daniel and Revelation is:Yes it does, because it fulfills all the characteristics of the mark of the beast,
1. You cannot buy or sell without it.
2. It is used everywhere in the world.
3. It is issued to everyone rich and poor, small and great.
4. It is an abomination because through of its lack of intrinsic value, which the bankers leverage devaluation and inflation with, thus making it a false quantity, which is forbidden in the Torah.