WHAT THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS AND THE MEANING OF 666

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Claiming you've "discovered" the Mark of the Beast without first telling us who is the Beast - and squaring up your "Beast" with all the identifying marks which pertain to it in Daniel and Revelation is:
  • reckless
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  • textbook example of how not to reason deductively
It's like the guy who knocks on the door of his new neighbor and welcomes him to the block.
"So, what do you do for a living?"
"I just transferred to the local university. I teach courses in Deductive Reasoning."
"Deductive Reasoning? What's that?"
"Well, it's a little difficult to explain, but let me give you an example: Do you have a doghouse?"
"Why yes, I do."
"Well, then, that means you likely have a dog, right?"
"Yes, I do."
"And since you have a dog, you likely have a family, right?"
"Why, yes, I do."
"Well, if you got a family, you must be married, right?"
"Yes, I am."
"Well, by Deductive Reasoning, I conclude that you are heterosexual."
"Wow, that's interesting."

Later that day, the man is waiting at the bus stop with a group of others and since the bus is late, he decides to strike up a conversation with another.

"How's it going?"
"Meh..."
"Anything interesting happen to you today?"
"No...you?"
"Why yes, I met my new neighbor. He teaches classes in deductive reasoning."
"What's that?"
"Well, it's a little hard to explain, but let me demonstrate it for you. Do you have a doghouse?
"Doghouse? No, I don't have a doghouse."

"Well, then, you must be one of them gays, huh."

I've already identified who the beast is, and who the second beast is, and who the prostitute of Babylon are, and have written them in a complete study identifying EVERY aspect of the beast, from the heads, to the part leopard, to the part of a lion, to the part of a bear, then ten horns, and every aspect of the other visions, READ, The Identity of the Beast of Revelation, the Antichrist, the Prostitute of Babylon, the Mark of the Beast, and the Meaning of 666 | Wisdom of God .
 

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The United States IS the second beast of Revelation, which is the one that issues the mark of the beast,
This is a total distortion of the Bible and your entire theory completely crumbles here: The "Beast" to which the Mark pertains is NOT the Second Beast, it is the FIRST Beast. The Second Beast merely enforces the Mark of the (first) Beast. You still haven't told us who the First Beast is, the Beast that the Second will cause the entire world to worship and will enforce its Mark of worship.
 

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I've already identified who the beast is, and who the second beast is, and who the prostitute of Babylon are, and have written them in a complete study identifying EVERY aspect of the beast, from the heads, to the part leopard, to the part of a lion, to the part of a bear, then ten horns, and every aspect of the other visions, READ, The Identity of the Beast of Revelation, the Antichrist, the Prostitute of Babylon, the Mark of the Beast, and the Meaning of 666 | Wisdom of God .
Then who is the first beast? Please spare me the link and just say it so we can examine it in light of Scripture.
 

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This is a total distortion of the Bible and your entire theory completely crumbles here: The "Beast" to which the Mark pertains is NOT the Second Beast, it is the FIRST Beast. The Second Beast merely enforces the Mark of the (first) Beast. You still haven't told us who the First Beast is, the Beast that the Second will cause the entire world to worship and will enforce its Mark of worship.

The second beast, symbolizing the United States, is the one that brings the mark of the beast because through the Federal Reserve bank it has promulgated the use of fiat currency not only in the United States, but throughout the world in all nations that have followed its example, yet fiat currency, through all the central banks of the world, trace back to one bank, the Vatican Bank, which is why the prostitute of Babylon rides the first beast of Revelation, and it is through the destruction of Vatican City, by the 10 nations that give their authority to the 8th and final head of the first beast of Revelation, which is the United States of Europe, that all the fiat currencies of the world will collapse, which is why her destruction will cause all the merchants of the earth to not be able to sell in accordance to the prophecies of Revelation regarding her judgment, and that is what her judgment will begin with, with hunger, in the year of her destruction, because of fiat currency, her mark, the "mark of the beast".
 
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Yes it does, because it fulfills all the characteristics of the mark of the beast,

1. You cannot buy or sell without it.
2. It is used everywhere in the world.
3. It is issued to everyone rich and poor, small and great.
4. It is an abomination because through of its lack of intrinsic value, which the bankers leverage devaluation and inflation with, thus making it a false quantity, which is forbidden in the Torah.
Since there are hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of born again Christians (children of God) using paper currency (which has been around for a long time) what you are suggesting -- WHICH IS PREPOSTEROUS -- is that they all are eternally damned (which would include you). Please note carefully:

REVELATION 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
 
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I've shown you that the Antichrist is NOT ONCE spoken of as arising from outside the church, but from within the church.
And that is patently false, since the Antichrist cannot be a born-again child of God. He is a child of Satan, the Son of Perdition. So there goes your theory (assuming you've taken the definite of "the Church" from Scripture, not from the RCC).
You need to put aside your Jesuit Futurism ideas for a moment and take a hard look at why the Great Reformers believed the papacy is Antichrist.
And unfortunately, the Reformers were totally mistaken regarding this matter. Indeed, they would have laughed if you had suggested that Israel would become a nation in the future. They thought the Church was Israel, based upon the false teachings of Augustine.
 
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Since there are hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of born again Christians (children of God) using paper currency (which has been around for a long time) what you are suggesting -- WHICH IS PREPOSTEROUS -- is that they all are eternally damned (which would include you). Please note carefully:

REVELATION 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Fiat currency is only a very recent phenomenon, because even though paper money has existed here and there around Colonial times, paper money back then in most cases was backed by something, typically gold or silver, which is even why the notes that were issued in the beginning of the Federal Reserve Bank were backed by gold, written in the notes themselves, even the Constitution of the United States itself states that only gold and silver can be used as legal tender. But then the fraud began after the confiscation of gold around the Great Depression, and then the deliberate devaluation of paper money after the confiscation by the bankers, which was thievery, and then taking away the gold standard from paper money, an even greater thievery, and in this way, paper money became "fiat currency", which is what we see today, where the money of the world is pretty much just an illusion, it is false, fake, and an abomination. True money is gold and silver, according to the Torah, identifying measures for shekels, gerahs, and bekahs... and as time went on, new currencies came through other kingdoms in different measures, but they were still in the form of metals, like a denarius, which have intrinsic value, that is not the case anymore today, in every nation, everyone on earth is forced to use fiat currency as legal tender, in fulfillment of prophecy. As such, most people use fiat currency, even many believers, and they do so to their own destruction, because it is forbidden in the Torah to buy or sell with false quantities, yet because most do not know the commands of God in the Torah, because they are falsely taught the Torah is abolished, and they ignorantly commit an abomination through fiat currency, to their own demise. The path to life truly is very very very narrow, I've just revealed to you one of the greatest reasons in our time today why it is so narrow. Oh... and there is more, this is just one thing out of many more things, but until a man accepts the truth that fiat currency is an abomination and the fulfillment of the mark of the beast, there's no point in discussing anything else, he's already lost and his stubbornness blocks him from attaining deliverance.
 

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I already explained it to you in the last post before this one.
Your interpretation excludes the prophetic time line of Daniel's prophecies. ANY FIRST CENTURY JEWISH CHRISTIAN CONVERT upon reading John's Revelation would have immediately begun turning the pages of his Bible to the book of Daniel to read about the four beasts in his book that were just laid out in John's book.

The Little Horn of Daniel has identical characteristics that the First Beast, which the "United States of Europe" does not.
 

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Your interpretation excludes the prophetic time line of Daniel's prophecies. ANY FIRST CENTURY JEWISH CHRISTIAN CONVERT upon reading John's Revelation would have immediately begun turning the pages of his Bible to the book of Daniel to read about the four beasts in his book that were just laid out in John's book.

The Little Horn of Daniel has identical characteristics that the First Beast, which the "United States of Europe" does not.

My interpretation does not exclude the beasts of Daniel, in fact, they are included, in the context of the "heads" of the first beast of Revelation, which are these:

FIRST BEAST OF REVELATION
Head 1: Egyptians (first nation to enslave the people of God)
Head 2: Assyrians
Head 3: Babylonians (head of gold of statute of Daniel, the lion part of the first beast of Revelation)
Head 4: Medo-Persians (chest and arms of statuteof Daniel, the bear part of the first beast of Revelation)
Head 5: Greeks (belly and thighs of Daniel, the leopard part of the first beast of Revelation)
Head 6: Romans (feet and 10 toes of Daniel, the 10 horns part of the first beast of Revelation)
Head 7: Byzantines
Head 8: United States of Europe. Not counted as one of the 7 because by the time it appears, it is already the end.

SECOND BEAST OF REVELATION
United States of America. Ruled by two horns, the President, and the Vice President, who presides as the head of Congress.

As I said, read my study, or do not, your loss. Everything I am telling you is well informed, well studied, well researched, and most importantly, the truth. The Identity of the Beast of Revelation, the Antichrist, the Prostitute of Babylon, the Mark of the Beast, and the Meaning of 666 | Wisdom of God .
 

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The 10th PM of Canada WL Mackenzie was talking about the issue of currency and credit to be restored, I believe, that he was pointing out that such must be restored to the government responsibility and without such all talk of sovereignty of parliament and of democracy is futile.

Political corporations education and media are all controlled directly or indirectly by central banking cartel, we are debt slaves to the NWO prison.

President JF Kennedy 7 days before his assassination said, There's a plot in this country to enslave every man woman and child. Before I leave this high and noble office, I intend to expose this plot.

And there was another President who was shot before him who was going to take on this mob as well. what was his name ?

Hitler was on about the World Bank being criminals all the time and called them Jews, that's what he was on about all the time in every speech, if you ever even bothered to listen to what he was saying in English, He was saying that they the World Bank had lead Germany into the hell and to the 200% inflation and all the rest of the problems had to do with such undermining Germany, well everyone knew that fact and he was just using it to his own ends in the game, I believe.

I would think that if a nation does not have it's own control over it's own money then it's foolish, it's much like a person who is a hopeless drunken bum having no regard for who he is or others.
When I look at Nations like Australia or USA I wonder how such Nations could possible to be in debit, fact is it's impossible, no one could be so stupid ! something is very wrong, criminal intent is going on for sure.

Why are the majority so backwards to not know what's truly going on, not to mention that half do not even care at all, here in QLD Australia our State is in debt big time, how are we going to pay it off ? but no body cares anymore, just put it out of your mind and all will be fine, they must believe. there must be some world lotto out there that we might win to pay it off or one day you are going to end up with high inflation, maybe even 200% try dealing with that and see how smart you truly are, with people getting a little bit irate by then, when they have lost there house, car, job, wife and kids you name it and have some degenerates push you around.

We have a Premier of the State that walks around with a big smile 24/7 and it's a idiot, not to mention that the opposition Party handed it too her on a platter, they had it in the bag easy, if they only accepted the other party, who all there former voters had went to and bingo would of won by a mile. but no no ! in spite of there former voters they handed over to a Lefty drongo who spends money like a drunken moron. but no way would they accept there former voter base.
 

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My interpretation does not exclude the beasts of Daniel, in fact, they are included, in the context of the "heads" of the first beast of Revelation, which are these:

FIRST BEAST OF REVELATION
Head 1: Egyptians (first nation to enslave the people of God)
Head 2: Assyrians
Head 3: Babylonians (head of gold of statute of Daniel, the lion part of the first beast of Revelation)
Head 4: Medo-Persians (chest and arms of statuteof Daniel, the bear part of the first beast of Revelation)
Head 5: Greeks (belly and thighs of Daniel, the leopard part of the first beast of Revelation)
Head 6: Romans (feet and 10 toes of Daniel, the 10 horns part of the first beast of Revelation)
Head 7: Byzantines
Head 8: United States of Europe. Not counted as one of the 7 because by the time it appears, it is already the end.

SECOND BEAST OF REVELATION
United States of America. Ruled by two horns, the President, and the Vice President, who presides as the head of Congress.

As I said, read my study, or do not, your loss. Everything I am telling you is well informed, well studied, well researched, and most importantly, the truth. The Identity of the Beast of Revelation, the Antichrist, the Prostitute of Babylon, the Mark of the Beast, and the Meaning of 666 | Wisdom of God .
I lose nothing by rejecting your ideas. You ignore well established eschatological principles to arrive at your conclusions:

I. "Prophecy Begins In Day Of Prophet/Traces Down To End Of Time"

The visions of Daniel and John always begin in the present - Babylon/Medo Persia for Daniel and Rome for John. Neither prophet accounts for Egypt or Assyria in their respective prophetic timelines, as you seem to think.

II. "Prophecy Continually Moves From East To West"

Daniel's prophecy begins in Babylon and continually moves West, but after the fall of Rome, you have prophecy suddenly shifting movement all the way back East to the Byzantian Empire. At the time of the fall of Rome and the rise of the Ten Horn barbarian nations and the papal Little Horn which arose and uprooted 3 of the first barbarian horns, the Byzantian Empire was doing nothing to impact Christianity except quietly preserving the truth of God's Word in their Byzantian "Traditional Text" MSS. It would not be for almost 1,000 years before the work of those Christians would be become the weapons of the Protestant Reformation used to begin slaying the papal Beast.

III. "Prophetic Repetition and Enlargement"

Like any good teacher, each successive prophetic vision given by God is comprised of a brief review of past elements along with the introduction of new elements. The "Little Horn" power of Daniel is precisely the same power as the Beast of Revelation 13 - the papacy; not some "United States of Europe" as you call it. Daniel ends with a limited description of the papacy and John picks it up and gives us the complete picture. The characteristics of both the "Little Horn" of Daniel and the "First Beast" of John are identical because the "Little Horn" and the "First Beast" are identical - the papacy.

Your attempts to make them separate and distinct in order to satisfy what seems to be your desire to be sensationalist and innovative simply do not stand up to the test of Biblical scrutiny nor the wisdom of the great Protestant Reformers who understood full well what you don't. Spurgeon says only the insane will question the identity of the Antichrist as that of the papacy, so either get in line with Protestantism or get in line at Admitting.
 
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I lose nothing by rejecting your ideas. You ignore well established eschatological principles to arrive at your conclusions:

I. "Prophecy Begins In Day Of Prophet/Traces Down To End Of Time"

The visions of Daniel and John always begin in the present - Babylon/Medo Persia for Daniel and Rome for John. Neither prophet accounts for Egypt or Assyria in their respective prophetic timelines, as you seem to think.

II. "Prophecy Continually Moves From East To West"

Daniel's prophecy begins in Babylon and continually moves West, but after the fall of Rome, you have prophecy suddenly shifting movement all the way back East to the Byzantian Empire. At the time of the fall of Rome and the rise of the Ten Horn barbarian nations and the papal Little Horn which arose and uprooted 3 of the first barbarian horns, the Byzantian Empire was doing nothing to impact Christianity except quietly preserving the truth of God's Word in their Byzantian "Traditional Text" MSS. It would not be for almost 1,000 years before the work of those Christians would be become the weapons of the Protestant Reformation used to begin slaying the papal Beast.

III. "Prophetic Repetition and Enlargement"

Like any good teacher, each successive prophetic vision given by God is comprised of a brief review of past elements along with the introduction of new elements. The "Little Horn" power of Daniel is precisely the same power as the Beast of Revelation 13 - the papacy; not some "United States of Europe" as you call it. Daniel ends with a limited description of the papacy and John picks it up and gives us the complete picture. The characteristics of both the "Little Horn" of Daniel and the "First Beast" of John are identical because the "Little Horn" and the "First Beast" are identical - the papacy.

Your attempts to make them separate and distinct in order to satisfy what seems to be your desire to be sensationalist and innovative simply do not stand up to the test of Biblical scrutiny nor the wisdom of the great Protestant Reformers who understood full well what you don't. Spurgeon says only the insane will question the identity of the Antichrist as that of the papacy, so either get in line with Protestantism or get in line at Admitting.

The book of Daniel begins from Babylon and onwards, because the visions were given to Daniel when the house of Judah was in captivity in Babylon, yet the visions in the book of Revelation are of greater scope than the ones given to Daniel, because they begin with the first kingdom that held the people of God captive, which was Egypt, as the 1st head, all the way to the last kingdom before the second coming of the Messiah, which is the United States of Europe, as the 8th head, this is why at the time the visions were given to John, 5 heads had already fallen, and one was in power, the Romans, with the preceding heads corresponding to the kingdoms that existed before the Romans, which included the kingdoms in the book of Daniel, and also ones prior to those. Yet even so, Rome is the culmination of all kingdoms on earth as the 8th head appears, because all kingdoms of earth are in subjection to Rome through the fiat currencies of all the central banks of every nation that all trace back to the Vatican Bank, which makes Rome the true whore of Babylon seated on the first beast of Revelation, the culmination of all prior and current kingdoms on earth, and the pope the true Antichrist.
 

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Only symbolic when it is convenient, eh? Because whether it is symbolic or not in the book of Revelation, fiat currency remains a false quantity, which is an abomination to God, which means whoever uses it to buy or sell, is committing an abomination. Even non-believers agree that fiat currency is a fraud, as well as Muslims who call it riba and are aware that it is evil. Open your eyes and don't be foolish.
I tend to agree, but I find manipulated (no prob with fiat, fiat is fine, Lincoln's Greenbacks were fiat and they were loved bc unmanipulated) currency going back way before Rothschilds, so imo "now take your purse" is kind of being ignored here? And I am a raging Anarchist, ok, I've tried all of them ways, communes, you name it, all of the ways we might sequester ourselves. So imo I wouldn't be sweating other ppls abominations too awful much lol
 

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The book of Daniel begins from Babylon and onwards, because the visions were given to Daniel when the house of Judah was in captivity in Babylon, yet the visions in the book of Revelation are of greater scope than the ones given to Daniel, because they begin with the first kingdom that held the people of God captive, which was Egypt, as the 1st head, all the way to the last kingdom before the second coming of the Messiah, which is the United States of Europe, as the 8th head, this is why at the time the visions were given to John, 5 heads had already fallen, and one was in power, the Romans, with the preceding heads corresponding to the kingdoms that existed before the Romans, which included the kingdoms in the book of Daniel, and also ones prior to those. Yet even so, Rome is the culmination of all kingdoms on earth as the 8th head appears, because all kingdoms of earth are in subjection to Rome through the fiat currencies of all the central banks of every nation that all trace back to the Vatican Bank, which makes Rome the true whore of Babylon seated on the first beast of Revelation, the culmination of all prior and current kingdoms on earth, and the pope the true Antichrist.
horse sh-t, when you play at literally IDing, bc you do not know, sorry.
You are Standing in the wrong place, just like the pope imo, so you are antichrist too
 

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Then continue using fiat currency, soon enough you will see I was right and will regret not having believed my words.
Here's an issue that I see with this; "soon enough" is not an accurate rep, see, as that dollar in someone's pocket was devalued yesterday, and again today. So that's one illusion; and the other is that this is blamed on "fiat," when fiat works great, bitcoin is fiat, gold is even fiat, strictly controlled fiat works fine, it's when the printing presses start that fiat becomes a problem.

So don't get me wrong, I don't function on dollars either, but anyone who does is getting robbed right now, got robbed yesterday, will get robbed again tomorrow. The dollar has already crashed well over 99%, see, so "soon enough" has come and gone already. Now granted even wanting a fiat method of exchange indicates one who wants to make plans and gain the whole world, etc, but the symptom of the prob is not the prob imo. peace
 

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...yet the visions in the book of Revelation are of greater scope than the ones given to Daniel, because they begin with the first kingdom that held the people of God captive, which was Egypt, as the first head...
There's nothing in Revelation to indicate that we should do anything else but start with Babylon as the first head. Since the "Little Horn" papacy which came up among the Ten Horns in 538 A.D. is still running it's mouth at the time of the final Judgment (Daniel 7:9-11), we should expect to find the papacy alive and well and ruling over the Kings of the Earth and the Merchants of the Earth - the 3 facets of the NWO: a one world false religion, government, and economy.
 

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And that is patently false, since the Antichrist cannot be a born-again child of God. He is a child of Satan, the Son of Perdition. So there goes your theory (assuming you've taken the definite of "the Church" from Scripture, not from the RCC).
***Straw man alert***
No one believes Antichrist is "born again". What is to be believed is that the papacy arose within the church and by false doctrine wrought a great apostasy which Paul predicted in 2 Thessalonians 2:3. The Bible speaks:

1 John 2:19 "They (Antichrist) went out from us..."

Acts 20:30 "Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them."

2 Thessalonians 2:4 "...a falling away ("apostasy" - the very meaning of which is to turn one's back on what was once cherished truth) first, and the Man of Sin be revealed, the son of perdition...as God sitteth in the temple of God (the church) showing himself that he is God."

John 17:12 "...the son of perdition (Judas, who was a spirit filled disciple who eventually turned his back on the truth).
And unfortunately, the Reformers were totally mistaken regarding this matter. Indeed, they would have laughed if you had suggested that Israel would become a nation in the future. They thought the Church was Israel, based upon the false teachings of Augustine.
They were mistaken? Men who ate, slept, and lived the Scriptures, while so called "scholars" of our day are so bombarded and distracted with every stripe and type of filth today? And whether or not those who occupy the ancient land of Israel actually have anything to do with ancient Israel remains to be seen, but that's another discussion.
 

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They were mistaken? Men who ate, slept, and lived the Scriptures, while so called "scholars" of our day are so bombarded and distracted with every stripe and type of filth today?
Yes. They were mistaken. Please note: In the Reformed understanding of the history of redemption, therefore, there is no ultimate separation between Israel and the church. For full details, read this article: The Church and Israel: The Issue
by Cornelis Venema here: The Church and Israel: The Issue by Cornelis Venema
And whether or not those who occupy the ancient land of Israel actually have anything to do with ancient Israel remains to be seen, but that's another discussion.
You can question the legitimacy of the Jews who are in Israel right now, but the fact remains that Jerusalem is where it always was, and Palestine is also where it always was. And that is really all we need to understand.

Unbelieving Jews and/or Atheists will not enter into the Kingdom of God. But after the Second Coming of Christ, all Jews from around the world will be gathered to the land of Israel, and a believing remnant will enter into the Millennial reign of Christ.