Day of the Lord

Davy · Jan 11, 2019

The events on the "day of the Lord" will end this present world. Included with that timing is Christ's return to this earth per Zechariah 14.

In Jesus' Olivet discourse, He showed that the very end of this world just prior to His return will be a time of peace on earth, with all wars having stopped. It's because He said as long as we hear of wars and rumors of wars, the end is not yet. So the opposite of that for the end is a time of peace on earth. Apostle Paul showed the same thing in 1 Thess.5 when the deceived will be saying, "Peace and safety". Revelation 13 reveals this also in a way, asking who can make war with the beast, which is to say, the Antichrist and his kingdom will have power over all peoples and nations.

Therefore, if there is to be a type of WWIII in the middle east in our near future, it will only be a conflict used to bring in the coming Antichrist and the fake peace for the very end of this world, just prior to Christ's return. That period of the end Jesus showed will be a time of trouble on earth that will have never been the likes before, and never will be again. Main difference from other times is that it will involve a time of "Peace and safety". It will be the Antichrist coming to play GOD, deceiving the majority of the world.

Keraz · Jan 11, 2019

CoreIssue said:
Just throw the Bible and write your own because you do not pay attention to what the real one says.

Where did you get all of this nonsense from? What group do you belong to?

As I quoted 12 scriptures in #99, it is patently obvious where my beliefs originate.
But your replies are bereft of Biblical support and you make your opposition to my posts in an unpleasant and unchristian manner, because you simply have no scriptures to prove your fanciful beliefs.

I am in a group of myself and God. That means I am in the majority.

Keraz · Jan 11, 2019

Davy said:
Therefore, if there is to be a type of WWIII in the middle east in our near future

There will be no war.
Ezekiel 7:14 They [the Islamists] have blown the trumpet [of war] and made all ready, but no one goes to the battle, for My wrath will descend upon all of them. [the great and terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath]

Davy · Jan 12, 2019

Keraz said:
There will be no war.
Ezekiel 7:14 They [the Islamists] have blown the trumpet [of war] and made all ready, but no one goes to the battle, for My wrath will descend upon all of them. [the great and terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath]

I hope you're right, but we'll have to wait and see.

CoreIssue · Jan 12, 2019

Keraz said:
As I quoted 12 scriptures in #99, it is patently obvious where my beliefs originate.
But your replies are bereft of Biblical support and you make your opposition to my posts in an unpleasant and unchristian manner, because you simply have no scriptures to prove your fanciful beliefs.

I am in a group of myself and God. That means I am in the majority.

Patented only obvious your beliefs came from you, not the Bible.

Davy said:
I hope you're right, but we'll have to wait and see.

Sure looks like a war in the Middle East to me.

Keraz · Jan 13, 2019

Believe what the Bible prophets tell us:

The work of God:
Psalms 64:1-10 Lord: hear us as we cry out to You. Keep us safe from the evil plans of the godless peoples. They speak lies and venomous words against us. They plot evil schemes, hiding their true intent to destroy all that we hold dear, saying: Who will see us and who will foil our plans?

But God, with His arrows of judgement will shoot them down and sudden will be their demise. He will make them fall, using their own weapons against them. All who see this happen will flee in horror, everyone will be terrified. This is God’s work; they declare, as they understand at last how He has punished all those who conspire against Him.

Then the righteous will exult and rejoice, the Lord will give them refuge and strength as they gather and praise Him.

This is God’s work – The Lord will instigate His judgement against His enemies, but it will be a seemingly natural event. Isaiah 28:21, Psalms 10:10-12, John 5:17, 1 Samuel 2:10, Isaiah 10:23, Revelation 6:12-17

His arrows of judgement – A Coronal Mass Ejection, explosion of the suns surface, of fire and electrical effects. Isaiah 30:26, Psalms 144:5-6, Psalms 18:13-14, Psalms 21:9, Habakkuk 3:9-11, Zechariah 9:14, Amos 1:4,7,10,12,14 Amos 2:1-5 - against the Jews.

Using their own weapons against them – The nuke missiles and all explosive devices will explode on the launch pad or bunker, due to microwave penetration. Psalms 7:12-15, Obadiah 1:15, Habakkuk 3:14

Everyone will be terrified – During the 24 hour period after the initial flash of a CME and the arrival of the main mass, all people will know what is coming. Isaiah 22:3, Jeremiah 6:24, Jeremiah 30:6-7, Ezekiel 7:15-17, Nahum 2:10

Keep us safe – We must pray for protection, also take heed of the warnings and take cover for one day. Zechariah 9:15-16, Psalm 97:10-12, 1 Corinthians 10:13, Psalms 50:3-6, Psalms 9:10

The Lord will give them refuge and strength – The Lord’s people will be saved and strengthened and soon to be brought to the holy Land. Isaiah 65:9, Ezekiel 34:27, Psalms 29:11, Isaiah 24:4

Psalms 9:15-20 The nations are trapped in a pit of their own making, entangled in their own net. The Lord will display His power and all the peoples who refuse to acknowledge the Living God will depart to hell. The hopes and prayers of His people will be realized, as He fulfils His promises to them. For the Lord will arise and judge the nations, they will know they are but mortal.

CoreIssue · Jan 13, 2019

Keraz said:
Believe what the Bible prophets tell us:

The work of God:
Psalms 64:1-10 Lord: hear us as we cry out to You. Keep us safe from the evil plans of the godless peoples. They speak lies and venomous words against us. They plot evil schemes, hiding their true intent to destroy all that we hold dear, saying: Who will see us and who will foil our plans?

But God, with His arrows of judgement will shoot them down and sudden will be their demise. He will make them fall, using their own weapons against them. All who see this happen will flee in horror, everyone will be terrified. This is God’s work; they declare, as they understand at last how He has punished all those who conspire against Him.

Then the righteous will exult and rejoice, the Lord will give them refuge and strength as they gather and praise Him.

This is God’s work – The Lord will instigate His judgement against His enemies, but it will be a seemingly natural event. Isaiah 28:21, Psalms 10:10-12, John 5:17, 1 Samuel 2:10, Isaiah 10:23, Revelation 6:12-17

His arrows of judgement – A Coronal Mass Ejection, explosion of the suns surface, of fire and electrical effects. Isaiah 30:26, Psalms 144:5-6, Psalms 18:13-14, Psalms 21:9, Habakkuk 3:9-11, Zechariah 9:14, Amos 1:4,7,10,12,14 Amos 2:1-5 - against the Jews.

Using their own weapons against them – The nuke missiles and all explosive devices will explode on the launch pad or bunker, due to microwave penetration. Psalms 7:12-15, Obadiah 1:15, Habakkuk 3:14

Everyone will be terrified – During the 24 hour period after the initial flash of a CME and the arrival of the main mass, all people will know what is coming. Isaiah 22:3, Jeremiah 6:24, Jeremiah 30:6-7, Ezekiel 7:15-17, Nahum 2:10

Keep us safe – We must pray for protection, also take heed of the warnings and take cover for one day. Zechariah 9:15-16, Psalm 97:10-12, 1 Corinthians 10:13, Psalms 50:3-6, Psalms 9:10

The Lord will give them refuge and strength – The Lord’s people will be saved and strengthened and soon to be brought to the holy Land. Isaiah 65:9, Ezekiel 34:27, Psalms 29:11, Isaiah 24:4

Psalms 9:15-20 The nations are trapped in a pit of their own making, entangled in their own net. The Lord will display His power and all the peoples who refuse to acknowledge the Living God will depart to hell. The hopes and prayers of His people will be realized, as He fulfils His promises to them. For the Lord will arise and judge the nations, they will know they are but mortal.

No one can accuse you of being literal.

Live up to your name, which means one who proclaims.

The problem is with what you proclaim.

Keraz · Jan 13, 2019

CoreIssue said:
No one can accuse you of being literal.

Live up to your name, which means one who proclaims.

The problem is with what you proclaim.

When Bible prophecy can be fulfilled literally, it will be. Obviously 'the arrows of God's Judgment' are not literal, but we can know what God will use to destroy His enemies. He will send His fiery wrath from the sun. Isaiah 30:26a, Psalms 50:1-3, Malachi 4:1, Psalms 11:4-6, +

My forum name is the same as my given name, less the prefix of Mc. I am doing what I can to proclaim the Prophetic Word. That it doesn't suit your beliefs, is your problem, not mine.

Davy · Apr 22, 2019

CoreIssue said:
A long time ago I noticed people had no idea the day the Lord meant. So I created this to explain

Day of the Lord

Regarding that link...

One major mistake is wrongly assigning the tribulation as the "day of the Lord" in Joel. Those are two separate events, and they are being covered there in a back and forth way while remaining separate, which all the OT Books of God's prophets are written in this way, the timeline jumping between the past, present, or future very quickly at times.

Joel 1:6 about the "nation" that has come upon the land, is about the locusts of Rev.9 that come on the 5th trumpet -1st woe. They represent the locust army of Joel 2 that steal the wealth of God's people. The great trib doesn't actually begin until the 6th trumpet.

Joel 1:15 which you say the day of the Lord happens at that point instead actually says the day of the Lord is 'at hand' (hebrew qarob which means near).

Your mistake of assigning all those events in Joel as the "day of the Lord" is corrupt. The "day of the Lord" is the final... day of this world. It is NOT... the great tribulation!

CoreIssue · Apr 22, 2019

Davy said:
Regarding that link...

One major mistake is wrongly assigning the tribulation as the "day of the Lord" in Joel. Those are two separate events, and they are being covered there in a back and forth way while remaining separate, which all the OT Books of God's prophets are written in this way, the timeline jumping between the past, present, or future very quickly at times.

Joel 1:6 about the "nation" that has come upon the land, is about the locusts of Rev.9 that come on the 5th trumpet -1st woe. They represent the locust army of Joel 2 that steal the wealth of God's people. The great trib doesn't actually begin until the 6th trumpet.

Joel 1:15 which you say the day of the Lord happens at that point instead actually says the day of the Lord is 'at hand' (hebrew qarob which means near).

Your mistake of assigning all those events in Joel as the "day of the Lord" is corrupt. The "day of the Lord" is the final... day of this world. It is NOT... the great tribulation!

Try reading. It most assuredly is.

Not your post wrath position.

Keraz · Apr 22, 2019

We have plain scripture to inform us when the Day of the Lord's wrath will happen. It is the Sixth Seal event, which must occur before the events of the Great Tribulation. Proved by Isaiah 61:1-2a. We await verse 2b; the signs are that it is very close now,

When Jesus Returns, it will be the Great Day of Almighty God. Revelation 16:14 & 19:11-21 It is seriously illogical to think He destroys the world then!

Davy · Apr 23, 2019

Keraz said:
We have plain scripture to inform us when the Day of the Lord's wrath will happen. It is the Sixth Seal event, which must occur before the events of the Great Tribulation. Proved by Isaiah 61:1-2a. We await verse 2b; the signs are that it is very close now,

When Jesus Returns, it will be the Great Day of Almighty God. Revelation 16:14 & 19:11-21 It is seriously illogical to think He destroys the world then!

You're not understanding that the 6th Seal is in two parts, one about the Rev.12:7-9 events which start the tribulation, and second about the day of Jesus' return to end the tribulation. The 6th Seal coincides with the 7th Trumpet and 7th Vial. The 7th Vial is the day of Armageddon.

Thus the "day of the Lord" does not happen before the tribulation. It happens on the final day of this world, which is when Jesus returns. And that is the day when God's consuming fire will burn man's works off this earth and usher us into Christ's thousand years reign, a spiritual age.

Keraz · Apr 23, 2019

Davy said:
You're not understanding that the 6th Seal is in two parts, one about the Rev.12:7-9 events which start the tribulation, and second about the day of Jesus' return to end the tribulation. The 6th Seal coincides with the 7th Trumpet and 7th Vial. The 7th Vial is the day of Armageddon.

Thus the "day of the Lord" does not happen before the tribulation. It happens on the final day of this world, which is when Jesus returns. And that is the day when God's consuming fire will burn man's works off this earth and usher us into Christ's thousand years reign, a spiritual age.

This belief is a direct contradiction of the three clear prophesies about what will happen when Jesus Returns. Zechariah 14:3, Matthew 24:29-31, and Revelation 19:11-21. The Sixth Seal is a literal one Day event, that MUST happen before the Trumpets and Bowls.

Your shuffling of the Seals, Trumpets and Bowls is an addition to Revelation. Not advisable!

Davy · Apr 25, 2019

Keraz said:
This belief is a direct contradiction of the three clear prophesies about what will happen when Jesus Returns. Zechariah 14:3, Matthew 24:29-31, and Revelation 19:11-21. The Sixth Seal is a literal one Day event, that MUST happen before the Trumpets and Bowls.

Your shuffling of the Seals, Trumpets and Bowls is an addition to Revelation. Not advisable!

The event order in Revelation is not how it's written in the order John wrote down the visions. It's not a seals first, then trumpets next, then vials last. Jesus was showing only the seven signs He gave in His Olivet discourse. And that's all the seals, trumpets, and vials really are, just expansions of only seven signs, the last sign being the coming of our Lord Jesus to gather His Church.

The seals represent the unlocking of info about the seven signs, the sixth seal being about Christ's return, and the seventh as a sign that it's all over.

The trumpets represent action on the seven signs, the final trumpet being Christ's return.

The vials, which per the Greek are about the sudden pouring out of a broad, shallow cup, and represent God's wrath in stages against the beast, the final cup being the day of Christ's coming.

CoreIssue · Apr 25, 2019

Davy said:
The event order in Revelation is not how it's written in the order John wrote down the visions. It's not a seals first, then trumpets next, then vials last. Jesus was showing only the seven signs He gave in His Olivet discourse. And that's all the seals, trumpets, and vials really are, just expansions of only seven signs, the last sign being the coming of our Lord Jesus to gather His Church.

The seals represent the unlocking of info about the seven signs, the sixth seal being about Christ's return, and the seventh as a sign that it's all over.

The trumpets represent action on the seven signs, the final trumpet being Christ's return.

The vials, which per the Greek are about the sudden pouring out of a broad, shallow cup, and represent God's wrath in stages against the beast, the final cup being the day of Christ's coming.

Talk about rewriting God's word.

Revelation is written in order. What many people miss is like in writings even today, there are flashbacks and flashforwards within the texts.

The war in heaven is a flashback, to give an example.

The seven churches are both flashbacks to those physical churches and prophecy of the seven church ages.

The bulk of revelation is prophetic flashforwards to future events.

What you're doing can only be defined as Gnosticism.

Keraz · Apr 25, 2019

Davy said:
The event order in Revelation is not how it's written in the order John wrote down the visions

Thanks Core Issue, we are agreed that this idea is wrong.
It is obvious to everyone. except Davy, that the Seals on a scroll must be removed before that scroll can be opened.
Prophecy is a little here, a little there, but we do have a true sequence of events in Revelation.

Jay Ross · Apr 25, 2019

@Davy, You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot force the horse to drink.

I agree with your understanding that John recorded the visions in the order that he received the visions and that the order that he recorded the visions of the judgements, is not necessarily the order in which they will occur.

Sometimes you have to let go and Let God bring the revelation if that is the will of the Father.

Shalom

Davy · Apr 27, 2019

Keraz said:
Thanks Core Issue, we are agreed that this idea is wrong.
It is obvious to everyone. except Davy, that the Seals on a scroll must be removed before that scroll can be opened.
Prophecy is a little here, a little there, but we do have a true sequence of events in Revelation.

I don't know why you heart is suddenly hardened on this. The opening of the Seals in Revelation 6 is exactly... what was happening that John was given to see! So your false witness that I don't know what that's about is just nothing but a LIE.

Just the fact that the latter part of the 6th Seal has the wicked proclaiming the return of Jesus ought to be plenty enough proof that event coincides with the 7th trumpet and 7th vial.

By the time of the 7th seal, it's all over, which is what the half-hour of silence represents. It's to act as a 'pause', like Selah does in the Psalms.

Keraz · Apr 27, 2019

Revelation 6:12-17;

I watched as the Lamb broke the Sixth Seal, – At this moment a Coronal Mass Ejection will explode out from the sun. Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1, Zephaniah 3:8, Jeremiah 23:19 Triggered by the attack onto Israel, as per Psalms 83, Psalms 11:4-6, Psalms 50:1-3, 2 Peter 3:7

There was a violent earthquake – The microwave effect of the short wave spectrum penetrates the earth’s crust, triggering worldwide earthquakes. Haggai 2:6, Deuteronomy 32:22, Isaiah 26:18-20, Amos 8:8-9, Psalms 18:7

The sun turned black as a funeral pall – Acts 2:20 The approaching mass of the CME will obscure the sun. Joel 2:31, Amos 5:20

The moon became a red as blood – Joel 2:31 The superheated hydrogen plasma strikes the moon and causes a thermite reaction with the aluminum oxide moon dust. As well as: the bright red reflection of the initial flash. Isaiah 30:26a

The stars in the sky fell like ripe figs – All our satellites crash to earth and there may be a meteor shower. Isaiah 34:4, Isaiah 28:2

The sky vanished like a scroll being rolled up – Our magnetosphere and atmosphere facing the sun are pushed aside by this multi billion ton pressure wave of superheated hydrogen plasma. Jeremiah 30:23, Isaiah 34:4, 2 Peter 3:7 & 10, Isaiah 51:6

Every mountain and island moved from their place – Tectonic plate movement caused by the microwave effect. Deuteronomy 32:22, Jeremiah 4:23-24, Habakkuk 3:6, Isaiah 13:13 Also may cause a magnetic pole reversal.

Everyone from high to lowly hid themselves – every person on earth will be terrified by what is coming and they scramble for cover. Ezekiel 7:15-19, Zephaniah 1:3 & 11, Luke 21:25-26

They called out: Hide us from the wrath of the Lamb – People will dive for cover and most will survive, as they see this disaster approaching. The main mass of a CME will take 24 - 36 hours to arrive on earth. Isaiah 2:19, Isaiah 28:21-22, Jeremiah 25:38, Luke 23:30

For the great Day of the Lord has come and who can stand? Deuteronomy 32:22, Ezekiel 7:7, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Joel 1:15.

This is the great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, prophesied over 100 times throughout the Bible, it is this terrible event that enables the establishment of a One World Government. But those who took heed of the warnings, Isaiah 26:20-21, took shelter and at the same time called to the Lord for protection, Acts 2:21, 1 Peter 1:5, Psalms 68:1-3, Joel 2:32 & 3:16 and will receive the great blessings the Lord has for His faithful Christian people.

Davy · Apr 28, 2019

Rev 6:12-17
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

This 6th Seal has two parts. Just as Isaiah 61:1-2 has both advents of our Lord Jesus, the latter part of Isaiah 61:2 He didn't read in Luke 4 at His first coming, because that latter part is about His second coming which is still future.

This first part of the 6th Seal is about the event of the pseudo-Messiah coming, i.e., the Antichrist or "man of sin" that will appear in Jerusalem and demand to be worshiped as God per 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4. That is the time of "great tribulation" our Lord Jesus forewarned of in Matthew 24. In Revelation 12:7-9, we were shown how the dragon, i.e., Satan, will be cast out of Heaven down to this earth with his angels in the last days, and that was linked with the 5th Seal martyrs.

This idea of a fig tree casting her untimely figs is to symbolize that Rev.12 casting down of Satan for the future tribulation. That's what these stars falling to earth represent. Untimely figs are figs that grow in the winter, but fall off in the spring. (Don't make the mistake of thinking the Rev.12:7-17 Scripture was already history. It is not. It is only for the end, just prior to our Lord Jesus' return. Jesus had not yet come to die on the cross when Satan first rebelled against God, and was first cast out. Yet in Job we are shown he is still able to enter Heaven and appear before The Father's Throne. That is still how it is today, until this untimely fig event in our near future.)

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him That sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
KJV

These next Rev.6:14-17 verses are the second part of the 6th Seal. This part is about the day of Christ's second coming. That is when the heaven will depart as a scroll, and the earth will shake and tremble at His coming, and the mighty men on earth will seek to hide from His cup of wrath poured out upon the earth on that day. That day is the "day of the Lord" when Jesus said He comes "as a thief" in Revelation 16:15.

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