The Parable of the Barren Woman

Davy · Jan 12, 2019

Luke 23:27-30
27 And there followed Him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented Him.

28 But Jesus turning unto them said, "Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for Me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, 'Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.'

30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, 'Fall on us'; and to the hills, 'Cover us.'
KJV

Our Lord Jesus was carrying His cross on the way to be crucified, and those women on the sidelines mourned for Him. Jesus then told them not to weep for Him, but for themselves, and their children. Then He quoted a passage from the Book of Isaiah about, "Blessed are the barren".

Isa 54:1-3
54:1 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.
2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;
3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.
KJV

Our Lord Jesus quoted a parable given back in the Book of Isaiah about the idea of a woman who's womb is barren is blessed, while the married wife with children is not.

A woman bearing children in this world is a gift and a blessing from God. So when reading that you should be asking how is it the barren woman is said to be blessed instead. It's because this is a parable involving who one worships.

The idea of 'not' travailing with child, the womb being barren without child, here, is about one who remains a spiritual virgin.

Isa 54:5
5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is His name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall He be called.
KJV

That verse reveals how God is giving a parable here about those who remain faithful waiting on Him, staying a spiritual virgin. Apostle Paul taught this idea also if you'll recall...

2 Cor 11:2
2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
KJV

Now look back at the Isaiah 54:1 verse and read it again. The barren woman who did not bear, is to have more children than the married wife. In the spiritual sense of this parable, the married woman with child represents the spiritual harlot who did not remain a chaste virgin waiting to be presented to her Husband (Christ in this 2 Cor.11 example).

You probably won't hear this being preached in many Churches, so there may not be many that have been shown this from God's Word. Yet it is written, showing our Lord does want us to understand the idea. It even gives more weight to what our Lord Jesus was teaching in Matthew 25 about the ten virgins.

Looking back at the Luke 23 Scripture again then...

Luke 23:29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, 'Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.'

30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, 'Fall on us'; and to the hills, 'Cover us.'
KJV

The day will come when the daughters of Jerusalem and their children, put for the orthodox unbelieving Jews at Jerusalem, will one day say, "Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck." They will say that when they see Jesus coming to Jerusalem with His Church who will be blessed. As Isaiah 54 also applies this parable to Jerusalem, it is Jerusalem and the holy lands in that future time that will have its tents enlarged to include the believing Gentiles.

But the unbelieving daughters and children of Jerusalem who rejected Jesus as The Christ will instead be wanting for the mountains to fall on them, and for the hills to cover them, because of their shame. They will represent the married wife in the Isaiah 54 barren parable, which means falling to false worship instead of waiting for their true Husband.

Enoch111 · Jan 12, 2019

Davy said:
Then He quoted a passage from the Book of Isaiah about, "Blessed are the barren".

You are getting things seriously mixed up. When judgment came (and will come in the future) upon Israel, those who had no children who would go through those judgments would be more *blessed* than those with children. They would not have to see their children and babies suffer terribly.

But you have reversed what the Lord was saying by quoting from Isaiah. Context is critical. Isaiah's prophecy applies to the redemption and restoration of Israel after the Second Coming of Christ. It has absolutely no bearing on the dire warning and prediction in Luke 23.

The Lord was alluding to the judgment which would come upon Israel for their unbelief, when Judea and Jerusalem would be destroyed by the Romans around 70 AD. But this prophecy may also have a double application since *the time of Jacob's trouble* is still in the future, and again unbelieving Jews will be subjected to God's judgments.

Davy · Jan 13, 2019

Enoch111 said:
You are getting things seriously mixed up. When judgment came (and will come in the future) upon Israel, those who had no children who would go through those judgments would be more *blessed* than those with children. They would not have to see their children and babies suffer terribly.

But you have reversed what the Lord was saying by quoting from Isaiah. Context is critical. Isaiah's prophecy applies to the redemption and restoration of Israel after the Second Coming of Christ. It has absolutely no bearing on the dire warning and prediction in Luke 23.

The Lord was alluding to the judgment which would come upon Israel for their unbelief, when Judea and Jerusalem would be destroyed by the Romans around 70 AD. But this prophecy may also have a double application since *the time of Jacob's trouble* is still in the future, and again unbelieving Jews will be subjected to God's judgments.

What you say is wishful thinking. I did not reverse the words of the Isaiah 54 parable. I guess I'll have to break it down to you...

Isa 54:1
54:1 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.
KJV

"... for more are the children of the desolate..." -- this phrase is about the barren woman. Her womb is desolate, barren. But in final she will have (inherit) more children than the married woman.

"... than the children of the married wife, ..." -- this is the married woman who's womb is not barren.

In the parable, it's the barren woman that was forsaken, not the married wife...

Isa 54:5-8
5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is His name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall He be called.
6 For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
8 In a little wrath I hid My face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.
KJV

It is the barren woman who will have (eventually when Jesus comes) more children than the married wife...

Isa 54:2-3
2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;
3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.
KJV

God is speaking to the barren woman in the above about enlarging the tent because of inheriting the believing Gentiles. That's why she, the barren woman (for this present time), will eventually have more children than the married woman.

The parable is as I said in my OP. It is to be understood in the spiritual sense involving remaining faithful waiting on Christ and being presented to Him as a "chaste virgin", like Apostle Paul said.

This parable flows throughout the New Testament also...

Gal 4:25-27
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, "Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband."
KJV

Paul compares the barren woman to the Jerusalem above that is free, because eventually she will inherit Christ's future Kingdom, which will definitely be more children than earthly Jerusalem which Paul says is still in bondage. As long as Christ Jesus has not returned to Jerusalem on earth to inherit David's throne and reign there, then earthly Jerusalem will remain in bondage, and seen to God as a widow.

Isa 54:4
4 Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.
KJV

Lam 1:1
1:1 How doth the city sit solitary, that was full of people how is she become as a widow she that was was great among the nations, and princess among the provinces, how is she become tributary
KJV

Lamentations 1 is pointing to fallen Jerusalem after the king of Babylon destroyed Jerusalem, caught Zedekiah and his army, and took Judah captive to Babylon. In the sense of God's betrothed wife (Jerusalem per Ezek.16), God sees Jerusalem as a widow after that destruction. The return in Revelation 21:9 about the 'bride' (the Lamb's wife) is when she will no longer be a symbolic widow.

Even in Revelation 18 we are shown the Babylon Harlot bragging that she is no widow, because of the Antichrist coming to play God in Jerusalem for the very end of this world, and thus Jerusalem will be treated as spiritually married. But it will be to the wrong husband.

Rev 18:7
7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
KJV

The Babylon Harlot says she sits a queen, which is pointing to being married, but to whom? to the first supernatural Messiah that shows up in Jerusalem at the end of this world claiming that he is God. That's the false one Apostle Paul warned us about in 2 Thessalonians 2 for the end of this world. It's the pseudo-Christ which our Lord Jesus Himself warned us about in the Matthew 24:23-26 Scripture, that will come doing great signs and wonders that if possible, would deceive even Christ's very elect. Revelation 17 told us the Babylon Harlot is a "great city", and it's pointing to Jerusalem married to the coming false-Messiah. That's why she says she is "no widow" when that happens when false Messiah comes to play God at Jerusalem.

The barren and travail with child analogy is all over the New Testament Scriptures too. What you have been taught about Isaiah 54 is actually in reverse of the meaning God gave, and is no doubt from Judaism.

Davy · Jan 13, 2019

Here's more examples of that barren vs. travail with child analogy...

1 Thess 5:2-4
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, "Peace and safety"; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
KJV

When the deceived will be saying, "Peace and safety", then the "sudden destruction" will come upon them. Those represent the married wife in the Isaiah 54 parable, those travail as a woman with child. The travail with child is a spiritual analogy representing having fallen to false worship. Notice Apostle Paul shows that we (Christ's Church) are not to be like them, and not in darkness, and in the spiritual analogy of Isaiah 54, it means those in Christ who remain faithful waiting on His return do not travail with child and instead remain barren, being presented to Jesus as a "chaste virgin" when He comes.

This travail with child spiritual analogy is applied to both Jerusalem, and Israel.

Mic 4:8-10
8 And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.
9 Now why dost thou cry out aloud? is there no king in thee? is thy counseller perished? for pangs have taken thee as a woman in travail.
10 Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to Babylon; there shalt thou be delivered; there the LORD shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.
KJV

That was when God brought the king of Babylon upon Jerusalem-Judea and took the house of Judah captive to Babylon for seventy years (time of Daniel). Zion then became like a woman travailing with child, spiritually.

The phrase, "... is there no king in thee?..." is about when Nebuchadnezzar had Zedekiah king of Judah's eyes poked out, and put in chains and brought to Babylon where he died. Neb also killed all of Zedekiah's son heirs. Since that time there has been no king of Judah there in Jerusalem, even to this day.

Episkopos · Jan 13, 2019

We see that God has upped the ante. The barren woman is always the woman of promise.

The roles have progressed into the Spirit. Just as Hagar was displaced by Sarah and the child of promise....so the spiritual children once called Israel have been displaced by the truly free children that are born of the Spirit. The Israel of God is by the Spirit. The barren woman is of the Gentiles...who had no husband and was barren.

But this shows a progression of promise that leads to the Spirit. The shadow of this is seen in the free woman who was barren (Sarah), displacing Hagar the bondwoman.

So then the Jews are the bondsmen...who for the most part are NOT the people of promise...they have but a remnant that progress into freedom.

VictoryinJesus · Jan 13, 2019

Davy said:
thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.

Davy said:
it is Jerusalem and the holy lands in that future time that will have its tents enlarged to include the believing Gentiles.

Davy said:
Isa 54:2-3
2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;
3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.
KJV

God is speaking to the barren woman in the above about enlarging the tent because of inheriting the believing Gentiles. That's why she, the barren woman (for this present time), will eventually have more children than the married woman.

Davy said:
Rev 18:7
7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
KJV

There is a lot there, Davy. I guess we all have an opinion of what the word says to us. I’m definitely not saying how I see it today will be how I see it tomorrow so it could possibly be wrong. Right now though, in reply to your thread: I kind of agree with you but then also don’t agree. You maybe keep forcing Israel as she is to remain flesh when she is Spirit...through desolation. All flesh was made desolate and cut off; one must be born again from above, from that womb, Jerusalem is above. Consider this is why God tells her to rejoice. Israel was made a widow and desolate. She does see sorrow. yet God tells her to rejoice because the desolate have more children which she is to inherit the desolate places. The flesh can not bare except it become waste and desolate, and then the Spirit of God moves over what is desolate and waste to bring forth life of God. All flesh was made desolate ground so no man can boast in His presence. Doesn’t His word tells us God created the waster to destory? Consider the more broken and desolate the ground...the more seed takes root. His seed, not man’s. God tells Israel to rejoice because she will inherit the Gentiles (her tent enlarged). And to rejoice because she will no longer remember her widowhood when she sees the fruit bore by being made desolate. We call her acursed. Consider 1 Corinthians 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

We wouldn’t call Jesus accursed because we know the fruit He bears through rejection of the world. To go into bondage, to die, and to be resurrected into life. So also Israel...we would not call accursed: to go into bondage, to be rejected and die, and to be resurrected in His glory. We see not only Christ walk in Joseph being cast into the pit and all that transpires to the day He stands before His brethren and says “you meant it for evil. God meant it for good to save much people alive.” But also Israel follows those steps to desolation and life through the Spirit of God and not flesh.

Isaiah 54:4-8
[4] Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more. [5] For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. [6] For the Lord hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God. [7] For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee. [8] In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the Lord thy Redeemer.

VictoryinJesus · Jan 13, 2019

Episkopos said:
So then the Jews are the bondsmen...who for the most part are NOT the people of promise...they have but a remnant that progress into freedom.

Isn’t the bondwoman brought into the house? Then to become of the free woman. The promise of Spirit but flesh also being brought into the house and set free from bondage through the Spirit of promise made to Abraham? Are these two not the two that war but Christ reconciles on the cross making two ...One. A new creation through the Son.

Ephesians 2:15-17
[15] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man(the the free and the slave(loosed), so making peace; [16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: [17] And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

...To those ‘afar off’ and to them ‘near’:
Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us ;

Breaking down the middle wall of partition (flesh) between us...breaking down the middle wall of partition (flesh) between free and slave. Making One in Christ.

Willie T · Jan 13, 2019

Gee, when I read that title, I thought you had actually somehow come up with a new parable.

Episkopos · Jan 13, 2019

VictoryinJesus said:
Isn’t the bondwoman brought into the house? Then to become of the free woman. The promise of Spirit but flesh also being brought into the house and set free from bondage through the Spirit of promise made to Abraham? Are these two not the two that war but Christ reconciles on the cross making two ...One. A new creation through the Son.

Ephesians 2:15-17
[15] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man(the the free and the slave(loosed), so making peace; [16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: [17] And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

...To those ‘afar off’ and to them ‘near’:
Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us ;

Breaking down the middle wall of partition (flesh) between us...breaking down the middle wall of partition (flesh) between free and slave. Making One in Christ.

Yes...the remnant of both becoming one in Christ.

Enoch111 · Jan 13, 2019

Willie T said:
Gee, when I read that title, I thought you had actually somehow come up with a new parable.

There's no parable of a barren woman. If fact, that passage in Luke has been seriously misinterpreted.

Some people wish to make everything in Scripture a parable. But that won't fly.

Enoch111 · Jan 13, 2019

VictoryinJesus said:
Breaking down the middle wall of partition (flesh) between us...breaking down the middle wall of partition (flesh) between free and slave. Making One in Christ.

This is another complete misunderstanding about breaking down the middle wall of partition.

The context is the entire passage in Ephesians 2 from verse 11 to 22. And what it is teaching is that the enmity between Jew and Gentile was destroyed at the cross. Since all were guilty before God, the price for the redemption of both Jews and Gentiles was paid at the cross. Which meant that Christ died for the sins of the whole world, and therefore the redeemed of the Lord would constitute one Body, with no distinction between Jew and Gentile.

This passage has nothing to do with the flesh (the sin nature), but the "flesh" or body of Christ which was crucified, bled, and died for our sins.

Willie T · Jan 13, 2019

While you're talkin' parables...…

VictoryinJesus · Jan 14, 2019

Enoch111 said:
This is another complete misunderstanding about breaking down the middle wall of partition.

The context is the entire passage in Ephesians 2 from verse 11 to 22. And what it is teaching is that the enmity between Jew and Gentile was destroyed at the cross. Since all were guilty before God, the price for the redemption of both Jews and Gentiles was paid at the cross. Which meant that Christ died for the sins of the whole world, and therefore the redeemed of the Lord would constitute one Body, with no distinction between Jew and Gentile.

This passage has nothing to do with the flesh (the sin nature), but the "flesh" or body of Christ which was crucified, bled, and died for our sins.

Galatians 4:27
[27] For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

How did she become desolate?

Enoch111 · Jan 14, 2019

VictoryinJesus said:
Galatians 4:27
[27] For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

How did she become desolate?

That quotation is from Isaiah 54, not from Galatians 4. And it goes back to the judgment of the kingdoms of Judah and Israel prophesied by the OT prophets, and then the prophecy by Isaiah of the FUTURE redemption and restoration of both those kingdoms as one kingdom under Christ.

So to answer your question we need to go back to Isaiah 1:7-9 and the desolation which God brought upon His people: Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers. And the daughter of Zion is left as a cottage in a vineyard, as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city. Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.

Even while God was telling Israel that they would be severely judged for their disobedience and idolatry, He was giving them hope that a believing remnant would be restored after the Second Coming of Christ. And that is because of the Abrahamic Covenant.

Davy · Jan 15, 2019

VictoryinJesus said:
There is a lot there, Davy. I guess we all have an opinion of what the word says to us. I’m definitely not saying how I see it today will be how I see it tomorrow so it could possibly be wrong. Right now though, in reply to your thread: I kind of agree with you but then also don’t agree. You maybe keep forcing Israel as she is to remain flesh when she is Spirit...through desolation. All flesh was made desolate and cut off; one must be born again from above, from that womb, Jerusalem is above. Consider this is why God tells her to rejoice. Israel was made a widow and desolate. She does see sorrow. yet God tells her to rejoice because the desolate have more children which she is to inherit the desolate places. The flesh can not bare except it become waste and desolate, and then the Spirit of God moves over what is desolate and waste to bring forth life of God. All flesh was made desolate ground so no man can boast in His presence. Doesn’t His word tells us God created the waster to destory? Consider the more broken and desolate the ground...the more seed takes root. His seed, not man’s. God tells Israel to rejoice because she will inherit the Gentiles (her tent enlarged). And to rejoice because she will no longer remember her widowhood when she sees the fruit bore by being made desolate. We call her acursed. Consider 1 Corinthians 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

We wouldn’t call Jesus accursed because we know the fruit He bears through rejection of the world. To go into bondage, to die, and to be resurrected into life. So also Israel...we would not call accursed: to go into bondage, to be rejected and die, and to be resurrected in His glory. We see not only Christ walk in Joseph being cast into the pit and all that transpires to the day He stands before His brethren and says “you meant it for evil. God meant it for good to save much people alive.” But also Israel follows those steps to desolation and life through the Spirit of God and not flesh.

Isaiah 54:4-8
[4] Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more. [5] For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. [6] For the Lord hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God. [7] For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee. [8] In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the Lord thy Redeemer.

Yeah, the end result for the 'barren' woman in the parable is to be blessed, and have more children than the woman who did not stay barren without child. God applies that to both Jerusalem and the nation of Israel in final. And it is to include the believing Gentiles, which is what the tent being enlarged is about.

For this reason, the "daughters of Jerusalem" Jesus turned and spoke to represent the deceived Jews for this world time, and it will be they who will say, "... Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare...".

Luke 23:29
29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.
KJV

It doesn't mean unbelieving Israel is destroyed though. It simply means they will appear in shame for finally understanding Who they rejected during this present world (see Zechariah 12:9-14).

Davy · Jan 15, 2019

VictoryinJesus said:
Isn’t the bondwoman brought into the house? Then to become of the free woman. The promise of Spirit but flesh also being brought into the house and set free from bondage through the Spirit of promise made to Abraham? Are these two not the two that war but Christ reconciles on the cross making two ...One. A new creation through the Son.

Ephesians 2:15-17
[15] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man(the the free and the slave(loosed), so making peace; [16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: [17] And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

...To those ‘afar off’ and to them ‘near’:
Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us ;

Breaking down the middle wall of partition (flesh) between us...breaking down the middle wall of partition (flesh) between free and slave. Making One in Christ.

YEP!

Davy · Jan 15, 2019

Enoch111 said:
There's no parable of a barren woman. If fact, that passage in Luke has been seriously misinterpreted.

Some people wish to make everything in Scripture a parable. But that won't fly.

Oh come on now. It is a parable; Jesus in Luke 23 was pulling from Isaiah 54, which is where He quoted about the barren (i.e., the "desolate") having more children than the married wife.

Who in their right mind would think a woman who's womb is barren would have more children than a woman who is married? Just that simple idea God presents there in Isaiah 54 shows it is a parable. But to orthodox Jews today who follow Judaism, what Jesus said there in Luke 23 from Isaiah 54 is obviously not understood for today. But when Jesus returns they will understand it, because Jesus shows it will be they that will say about the blessed barren woman, "Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck." (Luke 23:29).

Davy · Jan 15, 2019

Enoch111 said:
This is another complete misunderstanding about breaking down the middle wall of partition.

The context is the entire passage in Ephesians 2 from verse 11 to 22. And what it is teaching is that the enmity between Jew and Gentile was destroyed at the cross. Since all were guilty before God, the price for the redemption of both Jews and Gentiles was paid at the cross. Which meant that Christ died for the sins of the whole world, and therefore the redeemed of the Lord would constitute one Body, with no distinction between Jew and Gentile.

This passage has nothing to do with the flesh (the sin nature), but the "flesh" or body of Christ which was crucified, bled, and died for our sins.

Problem is though, that redemption ONLY applies to those who accept Jesus of Nazareth as their Savior.

The orthodox unbelieving Jews still reject Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ. So they are not the 'barren' which Jesus quoted in Luke 23:29. Orthodox Judaism represents the married woman of Isaiah 54:1; and the bondwoman of Galatians. One can't be of the free woman which is Jerusalem above, unless they are in Christ Jesus.

VictoryinJesus · Jan 15, 2019

Davy said:
It doesn't mean unbelieving Israel is destroyed though. It simply means they will appear in shame

Agree.
Romans 10:11
[11] For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

bbyrd009 · Jan 15, 2019

Davy said:
Problem is though, that redemption ONLY applies to those who accept Jesus of Nazareth as their Savior.

Matthew 8:11 Lexicon: "I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven;
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