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It's hard to believe how he brainwashed a nation but if you look at America - how blacks were badly mistreated years back, it shows that the entire nation was brainwashed. I look back and wonder how an entire nation could have thought that a human beings worth was less by the color of their skin. It seems unthinkable.

A psychological experiment was done years back by a researcher named Milgram, where participants were instructed to do cruel things to subjects under their control, such as give them an electric shock. Because the participants were told by an "authority" to do something cruel, they deemed it alright and acted cruelly. It was called "Milgram's Experiment." I think the same concept is at work in an entire country. We're trained to obey authority figures from the time we're young and people seem to have a hard time standing up to "authority" - and they accept that an "authority" knows best even if they don't. It still raises a lot of questions, because people still have to turn their conscience off. So it seems like there is a "group think" type of situation where an entire group has a "seared conscience" as we're told in Scripture.
It's all about brainwashing tec, look at TV adds, they spend big money on lines and how to go about it all, it's big business and then you look at the Political Party's they use huge amounts of dollars on all that spin, look at Obama, the next term his lot spent double the money they spent last time.
 

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It's all about brainwashing tec, look at TV adds, they spend big money on lines and how to go about it all, it's big business and then you look at the Political Party's they use huge amounts of dollars on all that spin, look at Obama, the next term his lot spent double the money they spent last time.
Yuck - I'm glad I ignored everything when Obomination was in office - I couldn't stand to watch him as he ruined the country. And people are so brainwashed some still think he's great after he made a mess of the country. His wife - who many think is a man - is allegedly one of the most respected women in America. That should show how warped the country's mindset is if they deem her (or him) as worthy of respect. I thought they were just cutting them up, saying she was a he, but now I think it's the truth. But yes, a lot of money is spent to brainwash the masses. Advertisers learn what moves the masses and they employ it. People actually believed that Clinton was fixing the economy as he literally sent jobs out of the country and collapsed our interior.
 
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Yuck - I'm glad I ignored everything when Obomination was in office - I couldn't stand to watch him as he ruined the country. And people are so brainwashed some still think he's great after he made a mess of the country. His wife - who many think is a man - is allegedly one of the most respected women in America. That should show how warped the country's mindset is if they deem her (or him) as worthy of respect. I thought they were just cutting them up, saying she was a he, but now I think it's the truth. But yes, a lot of money is spent to brainwash the masses. Advertisers learn what moves the masses and they employ it. People actually believed that Clinton was fixing the economy as he literally sent jobs out of the country and collapsed our interior.
Spot on !

That Obama has that many secrets that no one is allowed to know, it's just amazing that people swallow it, I don't know but I think that fools think that one is racist, if anyone would question anything about him, the old brain box goes into Political Correctness mode and they just close there mind to reality.

D Trump is an open book, what if he played the Obama card, the media would go mental, oh he is hiding something. oh he is in cahoots with Russia, the so called communist plot, and the media is still playing that card.
Putin has warned USA that they are heading down the same path that Russia did when it became Communist, Putin is no fool he knows what Communism is better than anyone in the world would and the USA Socialist try to make out that Putin is just some nobody that just popped out of nowhere trying to make out that he is just some sort of nobody bum and it's the same with Trump, the same card is played, but Obama was a nobody that just popped up out of the blue and they could easy say that but they don't, they always build him up, it's just amazing the hypocrisy has Satan's marks all over it.

I seen Obamas boy friend photo back in his young days with who is now his so called Wife, it has broader shoulders then even him. it's a creep show ! there is also nothing to prove that them 2 kids are his so called wife's at all.

The real Blacks and ones who have a work ethic hate him because they know that he did noting truly for them at all and I have seen them really bag him out. he is just the same as all the other Presidents who have been screwing over the American people now for years and all that I have seen of him was trying to dived America with pathetic crap, with no real moral fortitude at all.

Bill Clinton was a traitor to America not to mention a pig of a man and his wife was pure evil fruit loop.

You know what, when I look back on History and I look at nowadays the mind boggles how easy it is that the people are fooled, all you need is a good propaganda mob and that's it, Hitler said he would change the peoples thoughts in 7 years, from being the most hatted man to the most loved man and it was all due to the media that totally helped him all the way once he got in.

Control the media and you control the people and like the Nazis just add Political Correctness, so no one has freedom of speech and your on your way to a dictatorship run by just Satanic morons who have no moral conscious or virtue worth jack, abortion on demand and all the other Satanic madness that has corrupted the minds of people nowadays, there is no hope for them, they will crash and burn in a horror story that will be told if anyone survives.
 

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Seems that Trump is being used by God where any one believes that or not, his action are delaying the NWO and upsetting a lot of its followers just as Brexit is, just another sign of how close the end is, for those who are watching...


interesting to see how this pans out
 

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Spot on !

That Obama has that many secrets that no one is allowed to know, it's just amazing that people swallow it, I don't know but I think that fools think that one is racist, if anyone would question anything about him, the old brain box goes into Political Correctness mode and they just close there mind to reality.

D Trump is an open book, what if he played the Obama card, the media would go mental, oh he is hiding something. oh he is in cahoots with Russia, the so called communist plot, and the media is still playing that card.
Putin has warned USA that they are heading down the same path that Russia did when it became Communist, Putin is no fool he knows what Communism is better than anyone in the world would and the USA Socialist try to make out that Putin is just some nobody that just popped out of nowhere trying to make out that he is just some sort of nobody bum and it's the same with Trump, the same card is played, but Obama was a nobody that just popped up out of the blue and they could easy say that but they don't, they always build him up, it's just amazing the hypocrisy has Satan's marks all over it.

I seen Obamas boy friend photo back in his young days with who is now his so called Wife, it has broader shoulders then even him. it's a creep show ! there is also nothing to prove that them 2 kids are his so called wife's at all.

The real Blacks and ones who have a work ethic hate him because they know that he did noting truly for them at all and I have seen them really bag him out. he is just the same as all the other Presidents who have been screwing over the American people now for years and all that I have seen of him was trying to dived America with pathetic crap, with no real moral fortitude at all.

Bill Clinton was a traitor to America not to mention a pig of a man and his wife was pure evil fruit loop.

You know what, when I look back on History and I look at nowadays the mind boggles how easy it is that the people are fooled, all you need is a good propaganda mob and that's it, Hitler said he would change the peoples thoughts in 7 years, from being the most hatted man to the most loved man and it was all due to the media that totally helped him all the way once he got in.

Control the media and you control the people and like the Nazis just add Political Correctness, so no one has freedom of speech and your on your way to a dictatorship run by just Satanic morons who have no moral conscious or virtue worth jack, abortion on demand and all the other Satanic madness that has corrupted the minds of people nowadays, there is no hope for them, they will crash and burn in a horror story that will be told if anyone survives.

Obomination has a lot of secrets. I watched a clip of Joan Rivers when he was elected, who said that "America has its first gay President" A short time later she was dead. Some think she was killed by him. It's exactly as you said: if anyone criticized him it was racism! What an ugly thing to pull. It shows how low of a person he truly was, yet the media fawned over him - you're right, it was satanic. It should show how evil everything has become. Alan Keyes is a godly man who is black who should have been made President. And you're right about Clintons - anyone else would have went to jail over things they did and got away with.

I read that a Russian professor predicted the collapse of America - he predicted the collapse of Russia. We're heading that way. It's scary when you see a ship heading towards a huge iceberg, like the Titanic, and you can do nothing to stop it. What's worse is when you and your family is on that ship! I wish I had money - I might get my family out of the country.

If we know history then why are people trying to make things go the same way? I keep reading that America is becoming like Nazi Germany. There is like a moral free-fall. I don't know if Australia is as bad as America yet, but it's well-known that Hollywood has done a lot for the ruination of America. I wish more godly people would make movies.
 
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Seems that Trump is being used by God where any one believes that or not, his action are delaying the NWO and upsetting a lot of its followers just as Brexit is, just another sign of how close the end is, for those who are watching...


interesting to see how this pans out
I'm glad you posted that - I watched it all the way through. As I listened closely however, I couldn't help but see the Helegian Dialectic at work. Listen to it again - there is Obominable at one end. --- then there is Trump at the opposite end --- That's the Hegelian Dialectic.

When Bush was elected, there was 9-11 - which I'm coming to believe is an inside job because afterwards Americans were ready and willing to give up their rights. Then Obominable was as left as one can get, appeasing the leftists. So if this is orchestrated by the NWO then Trump flies in as savior; the opposite of Obiminable, getting all the pastors and Christians on board. He's the hero. If one follows this train of thought, then what might Trump, the hero and defender of the constitution do to further the NWO? Let's think of some possibilities:

1. He could do soooooo much to further the cause of Christ that Americans won't be so squeamish about handing over their guns. Just like Nazi Germany. This is their beloved leader, after all. Hasn't he done so much for the cause of Christ?

Did you know that Trump's ex-wife said that he kept a book by Hitler next to his bedside? Why would he want to study those tactics if he didn't intend to emulate them?

2. He could get so many pastors and Christians enamored with him taking actions that appear as if he's fulfilling Christian causes: he withdrew aid to fund abortions in other countries for example. While Christians are looking that way, they're not looking at what he's doing this way: releasing a lot of foreigners into the country, a distinctly Catholic thing. Eliminate hunger, help the poor. Only helping them means Americans get poorer and have to work long hours and sometimes two jobs because they hold wages down because they work for cheaper. Americans have to compete for jobs with them until they've been here long enough to go on welfare. I met a man at my brother-in-laws house who was despondent. I drew him out and he told me he was fired and his company hired all Mexicans. I read that IRLI filed a suit against the DHS because the companies hired all foreign tech workers and when they come here the DHS gives their spouses visas to work. That effectively takes 2 jobs away from Americans. This is still going on under Trump. If you take a ride to your local welfare office you'll see it packed with foreigners applying for welfare. Everyone knows that this can't last.

Only half of the country is working I read, and supporting the other half. My husband plays horseshoes with men collecting disability. I don't see Trump cutting any of that back. Socialism is still moving forward. I know at least three men who are getting monthly checks from the army for supposed disabilities - none are disabled.

3. He could fool a lot of Christians who are eating up the entire Mueller debacle, the Wall debacle, that they don't realize it when he's sneaking in some yet-unknown deeds that we won't be alerted to until it's too late.

Trump is big on police, for instance. More and more Americans are becoming concerned over the militarization of our police forces. If you look at photos of places such as Ferguson, you see police in ARMY TANKS rolling through the streets. Police trainees blew the whistle that they were being taught to view the public as "insects that you crush." (something like that) More and more police are abusing the public. I talked with a counselor in our city who told me they have a support group for people abused by police! If you go to sites such as "Filming Police" you can see horrific abuses of the public by police. Yet very very few are held accountable.

This is exactly what happened in Nazi Germany.

I recently watched a series of documentaries on Nazi Germany and it's uncanny how we're being led down the primrose path of Nazism. One of the things that struck me was the militarization of the police. Police could do whatever they wanted - they were judge, jury, and executioner. I know Trump didn't implement it's start, but I think the Hegelian Dialectic is at work and we're too schmoozed to realize it.

I could be entirely wrong. I hope I am, but what I'm seeing may be a cleverly orchestrated lie to delude the masses. The Hegelian Dialectic.
 

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Introduction: Why study Hegel?

"...the State 'has the supreme right against the individual, whose supreme duty is to be a member of the State... for the right of the world spirit is above all special privileges.'" Author/historian William Shirer, quoting Georg Hegel in his The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (1959, page 144)

In 1847 the London Communist League (Karl Marx and Frederick Engels) used Hegel's theory of the dialectic to back up their economic theory of communism. Now, in the 21st century, Hegelian-Marxist thinking affects our entire social and political structure. The Hegelian dialectic is the framework for guiding our thoughts and actions into conflicts that lead us to a predetermined solution. If we do not understand how the Hegelian dialectic shapes our perceptions of the world, then we do not know how we are helping to implement the vision. When we remain locked into dialectical thinking, we cannot see out of the box.

Hegel's dialectic is the tool which manipulates us into a frenzied circular pattern of thought and action. Every time we fight for or defend against an ideology we are playing a necessary role in Marx and Engels' grand design to advance humanity into a dictatorship of the proletariat. The synthetic Hegelian solution to all these conflicts can't be introduced unless we all take a side that will advance the agenda. The Marxist's global agenda is moving along at breakneck speed. The only way to completely stop the privacy invasions, expanding domestic police powers, land grabs, insane wars against inanimate objects (and transient verbs), covert actions, and outright assaults on individual liberty, is to step outside the dialectic. This releases us from the limitations of controlled and guided thought.

When we understand what motivated Hegel, we can see his influence on all of our destinies. ... Hegelian conflicts steer every political arena on the planet, from the United Nations to the major American political parties, all the way down to local school boards and community councils. Dialogues and consensus-building are primary tools of the dialectic, and terror and intimidation are also acceptable formats for obtaining the goal. The ultimate Third Way agenda is world government. Once we get what's really going on, we can cut the strings and move our lives in original directions outside the confines of the dialectical madness. Focusing on Hegel's and Engel's ultimate agenda, and avoiding getting caught up in their impenetrable theories of social evolution, gives us the opportunity to think and act our way toward freedom, justice, and genuine liberty for all.

Today the dialectic is active in every political issue that encourages taking sides. We can see it in environmentalists instigating conflicts against private property owners, in democrats against republicans, in greens against libertarians, in communists against socialists, in neo-cons against traditional conservatives, in community activists against individuals, in pro-choice versus pro-life, in Christians against Muslims, in isolationists versus interventionists, in peace activists against war hawks. No matter what the issue, the invisible dialectic aims to control both the conflict and the resolution of differences, and leads everyone involved into a new cycle of conflicts.

We're definitely not in Kansas anymore.

For a visual concept, see this simple chart [page now deleted] of the Hegelian Dialectic and Marx's Dialectical Materialism, posted by the Calverton Private School.

What is the Hegelian Dialectic?
 
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Obama didn't lie when he promised CHANGE. He just didn't define it. Nor did he explain the basis for his HOPE. Today, with a bit of hindsight, the fog is lifting and we see the immediate future more clearly. Both words imply a shift away from the foundational truths and values of America. As Communist nations have determined, man's hope must rest in a useful worldly vision, not in the disturbing distraction of the Biblical God or other-worldly heaven.

Today, CHANGE and HOPE point to a New World Order -- a virtual utopia where the masses would eventually enjoy peace, pluralism, parity and the promise of universal welfare. Both slogans serve as bait to draw the masses into a web of deception.

As in Orwell's Animal Farm, today's spreading tentacles of Marxian socialism imply two classes of people: the equally poor masses and their wealthy "more equal" rulers. While the latter reign in luxury, the equally poor (new "middle class") may struggle to feed their families. [See box]

A 2009 article in the Russian Pravda titled "American capitalism gone with a whimper" has been spreading a somber view of this nation. Unlike its old Soviet-era namesake, this new Pravda may actually be telling the truth. It reminds us that the current transformation, which has now become all too visible, actually began long ago. Most of its message can be verified, as you will see in the links and facts that follow these excerpts:

"...the American descent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple.... The initial testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was.... Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American populace for the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of their elites and betters.

"First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture.... Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas than the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their 'right' to choke down a McDonalds burger... than for their constitutional rights....

"Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches... were for the most part little more than Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega preachers were more than happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the 'winning' side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another....

"The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. ... His spending and money printing has been record setting, not just in America's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more than another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe....

"These men, of course, are not an elected panel but made up of appointees picked from the very financial oligarchs and their henchmen who are now gorging themselves on trillions of American dollars, in one bailout after another. They are also usurping the rights, duties and powers of the American congress (parliament). Again, congress has put up little more than a whimper to their masters.

"The proud American will go down into his slavery without a fight, beating his chest and proclaiming to the world how free he really is. The world will only snicker."[5]

The "Hidden" Oligarchs

We have listed many of these transnational power-brokers in "A Chronology of the Revolutionary Roots of the UN." Some are obvious participants in the seventy-year-long "partnership" between Russian Communism and leading American capitalists. As you ponder these examples, remember that today's transformation is no "conspiracy theory." It's really happening!

1913. President Woodrow Wilson wrote: "Some of the biggest men in the U. S., in the field of commerce and manufacturing, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."[6]

1917 (November 28) After Lenin had established his bloody reign in Russia, Colonel Edward Mandel House, President Woodrow Wilson's main advisor, cabled the president the following message from Paris: "There have been... published here statements made by American papers to the effect that Russia should be treated as an enemy. It is exceedingly important that such criticism should be suppressed."[7]

1922. New York city Mayor John F. Hylan said in a speech on March 26: "...the real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of self-created screen. It seizes in its long and powerful tentacles our executive officers, our legislative bodies, our schools, our courts, our newspapers and every agency created for the public protection."[8]

1933. President Franklin Roosevelt, 1933 said: "The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson... "[9]



l931. "We are at present working discreetly with all our might to wrest this mysterious force called sovereignty out of the clutches of the local nation states of the world." [Professor Arnold Toynbee, in a June l931 speech before the Institute for the Study of International Affairs in Copenhagen]

1947. Julian Huxley, the first Director General of UNESCO, wrote: "The task before UNESCO... is to help the emergence of a single world culture.... And it is necessary, for at the moment, two opposing philosophies of life confront each other from the West and from the East.... You may categorize the two philosophies as two super-nationalisms, or as individualism versus collectivism... or as capitalism versus communism, or as Christianity versus Marxism. Can these opposites be reconciled...? ...through the inexorable dialectic of evolution, it must happen.... If we are to achieve progress, we must learn to uncrystalize our dogmas."[10]

l950. "We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent." CFR member James Warburg, speaking to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, February 1, l950.

1953. During a Congressional investigation Rowan Gaither, President of the Ford Foundation, made this startling admission: "We at the executive level here were active in either the OSS [forerunner of the CIA], the State Department, or the European Economic Administration. During those times, and without exception, we operated under directives issued by the White House. We are continuing to be guided by just such directives, the substance of which were to the effect that we should make every effort to so alter life in the United States as to make possible a comfortable merger with the Soviet Union." [11]

1966. Georgetown Professor Carrol Quigley, Bill Clinton's distinguished mentor and a lecturer on Russian history at the Industrial College of the Armed Forces, wrote: "There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international Anglophile network which operates, to some extent in the way the radical Right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Groups, has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, or any other groups, and frequently does so. I know of the operation of this network because I have studied it for twenty years, and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960s, to examine its papers and secret records."[12, p.950]
 
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"One of Professor Quigley's most shocking revelations," wrote Dr. Stan Monteith, "was the fact that the American Communist Party was partly financed by J. P. Morgan and Company.... J. P. Morgan and his associates financed the Republican Party, the Democratic Party, conservative groups, liberal organizations, communist groups and anti-communist organizations." [13]



"The powers of financial capitalism have another far reaching aim," continued Dr. Quigley, "nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole."[12, p.324]

1976. "The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent." Seven years after sharing this observation, Congressman Larry P. McDonald, was killed. He was flying in a Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets. [Read more here]

2001. "The Russians are building tremendous new nuclear/biological and chemical weapons systems--all with the assistance of US technology transfers. ... Further, the Russians are building huge underground nuclear bunkers and weapons production facilities in the Ural Mountains, clearly intended to function during a nuclear war. The US intelligence community (under both Republican and Democratic administrations) knows this and are actively covering for the Russians, so the American people won’t become alarmed.
"Both Republican and Democratic administrations have been supplying the Chinese with high technology weapons systems for years, knowing that they, in turn, are supplying other enemies (Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, North Korea) as well."[14] Joel Skousen

Meanwhile, both parties have used the media to build and maintain a public perception of opposing positions on certain issues, while building consensus on issues that were critical to social change.[15]

torturous Soviet labor camps (1945-1953). When he seemed to be dying of stomach cancer, a faithful doctor shared his testimony and apparently led Solzhenitsyn to put His faith in God. Exiled to Kazakhstan, he was restored to health. In his 1976 book, Warning to the West, he tells us that--

"...there also exists another alliance - at first glance a strange one, a surprising one - but if you think about it, in fact, one which is well-grounded and easy to understand.... [This] is the alliance between our Communist leaders and your capitalists."

"This alliance is not new. The very famous Armand Hammer, who is flourishing here today, laid the basis for this when he made the first exploratory trip into Russia, still in Lenin's time, in the very first years of the Revolution. He was extremely successful in this intelligence mission and since that time for all these 50 years, we observe continuous and steady support by the businessmen of the West of the Soviet Communist leaders.

"[Russia's] clumsy and awkward economy, which could never overcome its own difficulties by itself, is continually getting material and technological assistance. The major construction projects in the initial five-year plan were built exclusively with American technology and materials. And if today the Soviet Union has powerful military and police forces - in a country which is by contemporary standards poor -- they are used to crush our movement for freedom in the Soviet Union....

[16]

But everything has been changing in America!
 
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Why? What can we do?

A key part of this planned transformation is Islamic terrorism, which has been fueled, funded and used by Russia. As in George Orwell's 1984, there are three main forces used to destabilize the world and create the dissatisfaction needed for planned control in a "single world culture." [More on this topic]

Solzhenitsyn shows us the basic problem: rejection of Biblical Truth and values. "It is almost a joke now in the western world," he reminds us, "to use words like 'good' and 'evil.' They have become almost old-fashioned concepts, but they are very real.... These are concepts from a sphere which is higher than us."[17]

Indeed they are! "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil," warned Old Testament prophet Isaiah (5:20). 'Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good," wrote the apostle Paul. (Romans 12:9) Yet Biblical views of good and evil are fast disappearing from the American consciousness. They seem too intolerant and divisive in today's permissive, postmodern culture.

In contrast, the "evil" God warns us to shun is promoted everywhere: in books, movies, music, schools, ads, churches.... Since it fits the universal cravings of human nature, its collective acceptance brings an illusion of unity. Our leaders have been promoting it, for it sets the stage for mass manipulation.

The main strategy behind this transformation has been the dialectic process: group dialogue led by a trained facilitator toward an ever-evolving consensus. The result is a "dumbed-down" population of what Pravda called "sheeple" -- blinded masses following false shepherds. Our nation, once famous for its faith, freedom, wisdom and initiative, has learned to trust--

  • feelings instead of facts
  • opinions and impression instead of Truth and certainty
  • human cravings rather than God's authority
  • group consensus rather than God's Word
Rejecting the Shepherd, we lost our way. America hardly noticed the unseen forces that misled her. But it's not surprising, for "we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness...." Ephesians 6:12

Solzhenitsyn points us to the solution: "...we have to recognize that the concentration of World Evil and the tremendous force of hatred is there and it's flowing from there throughout the world. And we have to stand up against it...."[1]

"Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand." Ephesians 6:13
 
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Praying for Trump as he is our leader. Regardless of how he can be. And that the Lord can help him and others to put aside their differences, make the government run again, have 800,000 workers their checks, and a wall to protect the innocent. Need to act like adults.
 

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I'm glad you posted that - I watched it all the way through. As I listened closely however, I couldn't help but see the Helegian Dialectic at work. Listen to it again - there is Obominable at one end. --- then there is Trump at the opposite end --- That's the Hegelian Dialectic.

I could be entirely wrong. I hope I am, but what I'm seeing may be a cleverly orchestrated lie to delude the masses. The Hegelian Dialectic.
You seem to be looking for things that are not there. Really. All through history God has raised up believers and unbelievers to do His bidding. does it matter what trump is, If he is doing what God requires to delay whatever, does it matter, dont let that devil get you caught up in all the crap. Just watch and listen
 
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Praying for Trump as he is our leader. Regardless of how he can be. And that the Lord can help him and others to put aside their differences, make the government run again, have 800,000 workers their checks, and a wall to protect the innocent. Need to act like adults.
I agree that we should pray for our President. I think the government is too big though. My husband ran government jobs and told me he would go to buildings with rows and rows of government workers who sat there shopping on their computers. They are the only people who don't have to do their jobs yet can't be fired. They could probably eliminate some of those 800,000 jobs. We've seen some government workers who are conscientious, but we've dealt with the other kind too. They have the top lifetime insurance policies too.
 

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You seem to be looking for things that are not there. Really. All through history God has raised up believers and unbelievers to do His bidding. does it matter what trump is, If he is doing what God requires to delay whatever, does it matter, dont let that devil get you caught up in all the crap. Just watch and listen
I know you have your opinion - I have mine. You aren't in the place to say that I'm wrong and I'm not in the place to say you are. Some things only come clear in time. I want to deal in truth. I don't want to let anyone sway me by what I feel God is showing me. I think God can use other believers, and I like hearing what other believers think, but in the end we each have to follow the path that we think is right at the time. If you look at the bible as a guide, the prophets weren't listened to - I'm sure there were those who told them they were getting caught up in crap. Then there was doubting Thomas who didn't believe that Christ raised from the dead. Then there was Moses who built the ark when everyone scoffed at him.
 

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We did live under an anti-God president for 8 years - it was misery for Christians, and you hit the mark: we were all hoping for a savior of sorts - if not Christ. I prayed with intensity for God to let him win. Now however, I'm jaded; I don't think we really do have a choice. We found evidence of voting fraud in our state so I imagine it's widespread.

I know that God used David. I'm still keeping an open mind, but I've been disappointed by him reneging on his promises and it made me wary. Some churches are supporting President Trump, as are many Americans/ Christians. I did too, just right now I'm walking circumspectly because I've started to doubt him. Of course I'll support him over another godless candidate. You pointed out David, but remember that Scripture warns us that Satan appears as an Angel of Light - we have to keep that warning too. Sometimes Satan can do good works until he hooks someone and they go in for the kill.

I think we should take the warning to walk circumspectly - yet I'm learning new things all the time and keeping my mind open to the knowledge that I can be deceived and so can someone else. Time will tell.

There are socialists trying to take over America and seem to be making progress. Homosexuality is being taught in some American schools the last I heard - even having men in drag reading rainbow stories to preschoolers. But remember, that is a sin, but so is it a sin to gossip, backbite, show preference to some in the church over others - and I've seen Christians do all that. Until Christians clean up their act the church is going to be weak IMO. I've talked to a few who won't even go to church anymore because of the Pharisaical churches. First clean the inside of the cup.

I think you're right about the church getting in bed with Satan - I was just reading about that. I think the problem is that so many are deceived. I see a lack of discernment. Christianity has been watered down and churches seem more interested in building their rolls than following God. I could write a book about all the things I saw go on.

Have you done anything personally to help turn the tide of what's going on in your country? God has opened my eyes to things but I'm unsure yet what He wants me to do with it. I'm a believer in being proactive. I've had a few things change as a result - not much because I've never held office or anything. I have felt the need to return to evangelizing. I've been getting tracts and leaving them around when I go out in doctors offices etc. And I write to prisoners and I sent one Christian tracts.

Our church doesn't do any evangelizing. In fact none of the churches I've been in did any that I know of. Does yours?

Thankyou for that very informative and honest post. My country is no different than yours as evangelism is a very low priority. I have presented to two minister's fraternals about evangelism as I was brought up on it as a new Christian. The first one decided they didn't like me as I got them to confess that over a period of 12 months, all they had seen by way of new converts amongst ALL of them was three and anyway, I am not an ordained minister (by man) so go away as it is not your business to tell us what to do.

One of the church ministers said that God was going to add 10% to the congregation every year. That would mean he would have a congregation now of about 45,000. I think he is running now with about 40 (people not thousands).

The other one came back to me and said they didn't have time for evangelism as they were too busy running their churches.

The last church I was involved in was a small home church ministry and every Friday some of the members went to one of the local pubs to meet and greet the patrons and interact with them. Many conversations were held over that time with unbelievers and we were respected because we came to where they were. Whilst they were doing that, I was in charge of a team of prayers who prayed for them whilst they evangelized.

That church had its used by date and was closed down but five years later it is coming back to life again under a different name and with a different emphasis but it is still focused on evangelism of some kind.

I know that you have reasons to doubt Donald but do support him 100% when he does those things that are good for the country and benefits Christians suffering under satanic regimes. When people criticize him to you my reply would be "Is that so, but isn't it wonderful how he is going in to bat for Christians suffering under satanic regimes. Have you heard about that?

You ask me what am I doing. The question should be what am I not doing?

I will defend the living God at the drop of a hat.
I write to the secular media all the time to put the cause of righteousness and I get into print regularly.
I am involved in politics as I have a degree in the subject and have stood for Parliament as a candidate.
I uncover the lies of members of Parliament and most importantly, I ask them questions that they don't want to answer and if they don't answer, I write to the media and let them know their silence on the matter.
I am writing a novel about teenage boys for boys and am putting across Christian values in the book without being religious.

And after breakfast, I am laying a foundation for the new church that I have begun which I find quite exciting.

Keep up the good fight !!
 
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@Soverign Grace Thought I would give another perspective on Carroll Quigley...
The only people in the world, it seems, who believe in the conspiracy theory of history are those of us who have studied it. While Franklin D. Roosevelt might have exaggerated when he said “Nothing happens in politics by accident; if it happens, it was planned that way,” Carroll Quigley – Bill Clinton’s favorite professor at Georgetown University – boldly admitted in his Tragedy & Hope ( 1 9 6 6 ) that (a) the multitudes were already under the control of a small but powerful group bent on world domination and (b) Quigley himself was a part of that group. — Pat Shannon, Journalist-at-Large, MEDIA BYPASS

Quigley was a Jesuit.

Just as an added thought...

What the Seal of the United States of America represents, to anyone who takes it seriously, is a Ministry of Sin. A speech by Jesuit political scientist Michael Novak, published in the January 28, 1989 issue of America, the weekly magazine of American Jesuits, sums it up eloquently enough: The framers wanted to build a “novus ordo” (New world order sic)that would secure “liberty and justice for all”.... The underlying principle of this new order is the fact of human sin. To build a republic designed for sinners, then, is the indispensable task.... There is no use building a social system for saints. There are too few of them. And those there are are impossible to live with!... Any effective social system must therefore be designed for the only moral majority there is: sinners. Rulers of Evil p224

So based on the above, who is Trump working for? Oh, did I mention that not only Clinton was educated by Jesuits...Trump attended Fordham university.
 
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Thankyou for that very informative and honest post. My country is no different than yours as evangelism is a very low priority. I have presented to two minister's fraternals about evangelism as I was brought up on it as a new Christian. The first one decided they didn't like me as I got them to confess that over a period of 12 months, all they had seen by way of new converts amongst ALL of them was three and anyway, I am not an ordained minister (by man) so go away as it is not your business to tell us what to do.

One of the church ministers said that God was going to add 10% to the congregation every year. That would mean he would have a congregation now of about 45,000. I think he is running now with about 40 (people not thousands).

The other one came back to me and said they didn't have time for evangelism as they were too busy running their churches.

The last church I was involved in was a small home church ministry and every Friday some of the members went to one of the local pubs to meet and greet the patrons and interact with them. Many conversations were held over that time with unbelievers and we were respected because we came to where they were. Whilst they were doing that, I was in charge of a team of prayers who prayed for them whilst they evangelized.

That church had its used by date and was closed down but five years later it is coming back to life again under a different name and with a different emphasis but it is still focused on evangelism of some kind.

I know that you have reasons to doubt Donald but do support him 100% when he does those things that are good for the country and benefits Christians suffering under satanic regimes. When people criticize him to you my reply would be "Is that so, but isn't it wonderful how he is going in to bat for Christians suffering under satanic regimes. Have you heard about that?

You ask me what am I doing. The question should be what am I not doing?

I will defend the living God at the drop of a hat.
I write to the secular media all the time to put the cause of righteousness and I get into print regularly.
I am involved in politics as I have a degree in the subject and have stood for Parliament as a candidate.
I uncover the lies of members of Parliament and most importantly, I ask them questions that they don't want to answer and if they don't answer, I write to the media and let them know their silence on the matter.
I am writing a novel about teenage boys for boys and am putting across Christian values in the book without being religious.

And after breakfast, I am laying a foundation for the new church that I have begun which I find quite exciting.

Keep up the good fight !!
Wow - so you experienced haughty "Christian" leadership too. I'm shocked that pastors and elders are so quick to point out the "big" sins as they see it: sleeping together before marriage, homosexuality, drugs, yet they gloss over their own sins of pride, being a respecter of persons, and other behavior that hurts their fellow believers. They're so blind to their own sins.

I grasp what you're saying about President Trump, and I still support him, and defend him when the situation calls for it. I'm not discounting the good he's done, because Satan does have some of these politicians deep within his grasp. Look at Ocasio - the young bubble-head that won a seat in NY. She positively scares me to death. I could go pick up any drug-addled person from center city and they would do a better job than her. She was a waitress who used to steal her fellow waitresses tips. That should show what kind of person she is. I can't understand why better candidates don't run.

I'm glad to see you being proactive; it bothers me that many Christians seem defeated. They bake a cake for Sunday School and that's the limit of their involvement. If even half the churches became proactive we'd be able to change things. Maybe it can start with us. But I see that you're already active in the battle.
 

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@Soverign Grace Thought I would give another perspective on Carroll Quigley...
The only people in the world, it seems, who believe in the conspiracy theory of history are those of us who have studied it. While Franklin D. Roosevelt might have exaggerated when he said “Nothing happens in politics by accident; if it happens, it was planned that way,” Carroll Quigley – Bill Clinton’s favorite professor at Georgetown University – boldly admitted in his Tragedy & Hope ( 1 9 6 6 ) that (a) the multitudes were already under the control of a small but powerful group bent on world domination and (b) Quigley himself was a part of that group. — Pat Shannon, Journalist-at-Large, MEDIA BYPASS

Quigley was a Jesuit.

Just as an added thought...

What the Seal of the United States of America represents, to anyone who takes it seriously, is a Ministry of Sin. A speech by Jesuit political scientist Michael Novak, published in the January 28, 1989 issue of America, the weekly magazine of American Jesuits, sums it up eloquently enough: The framers wanted to build a “novus ordo” (New world order sic)that would secure “liberty and justice for all”.... The underlying principle of this new order is the fact of human sin. To build a republic designed for sinners, then, is the indispensable task.... There is no use building a social system for saints. There are too few of them. And those there are are impossible to live with!... Any effective social system must therefore be designed for the only moral majority there is: sinners. Rulers of Evil p224

So based on the above, who is Trump working for? Oh, did I mention that not only Clinton was educated by Jesuits...Trump attended Fordham university.

I was questioning everything and Walter Veith helped me to understand more. I'm still in a wait and see mode, but looking upon everything with a wary eye. I think we need to stay alert and realize that Satan is a very wily enemy, and the deceptions he uses are many and varied. It makes sense to me that the small group of men that control the world wouldn't let Americans choose their candidate. It seems like it's all an illusion to fool the masses. I think Americans would be shocked to realize just how much we've been manipulated - by Hollywood, the media, and the powers-that-be. When you look at Obomination and then Trump I can't help but see the Hegelian Dialectic.

That statement by Novak is hard for me to understand. So Novak is saying that America was designed for sinners?

Clinton and Trump both attended Jesuit universities from what I understand.

The statement made by the Russians is worth repeating:

"The proud American will go down into his slavery without a fight, beating his chest and proclaiming to the world how free he really is. The world will only snicker."[5]

Isn't anyone else concerned about Russia building nuclear fallout shelters? The very rich are building them across America. Doesn't that concern anyone? It does me. I'm thinking what do they know that we don't.
 
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I was questioning everything and Walter Veith helped me to understand more. I'm still in a wait and see mode, but looking upon everything with a wary eye. I think we need to stay alert and realize that Satan is a very wily enemy, and the deceptions he uses are many and varied. It makes sense to me that the small group of men that control the world wouldn't let Americans choose their candidate. It seems like it's all an illusion to fool the masses. I think Americans would be shocked to realize just how much we've been manipulated - by Hollywood, the media, and the powers-that-be. When you look at Obomination and then Trump I can't help but see the Hegelian Dialectic.

That statement by Novak is hard for me to understand. So Novak is saying that America was designed for sinners?

Clinton and Trump both attended Jesuit universities from what I understand.

The statement made by the Russians is worth repeating:

"The proud American will go down into his slavery without a fight, beating his chest and proclaiming to the world how free he really is. The world will only snicker."[5]

Isn't anyone else concerned about Russia building nuclear fallout shelters? The very rich are building them across America. Doesn't that concern anyone? It does me. I'm think what do they know that we don't.
If you are in the mood for an interesting read to put everything into perspective, try this...
Vatican Assassins - Eric Jon Phelps.pdf
 
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If you are in the mood for an interesting read to put everything into perspective, try this...
Vatican Assassins - Eric Jon Phelps.pdf
I began reading this Brakelite - it's taking me awhile to get through it. I read that Christians were concerned about the Vatican being shaped like the head of a snake. It's on multiple websites. This site talks about reptilians which sounds off to me, but it does show photos that are disturbing:

The Dark Secrets Behind The Pope’s Audience Hall (It’s a Giant Reptilian)
 
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