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BreadOfLife

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Matthew 16:18 means the grave will not prevail over his church because he has the keys to unlock those gates (Revelation 1:18). All his people will be resurrected.
WRONG.

In Matt. 16:18-19, Jesus tells Peter, “You are Peter (Kepha) and on this Rock (Kepha) I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. I will give YOU the keys to the kingdom of heaven. WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth will be bound in heaven, and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth will be loosed in heaven."

This is about AUTHORITY and binding and loosing. It’s about forgiveness of sin and salvation.

According to YOU – Christ LIED when He said that His Church would not fail and succumb to Satan. Instead, it fell horribly off the tracks right away – while some of the Apostles were STILL alive. Consequently – 1500 years of Christians were doomed to Hell because of this lie.

Like I said before – YOU exhibit a pathetic lack of faith . . .
 
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False information. My website is Everlasting Good News of Yahweh


I rarely ever speak against Catholicism EXCEPT when Catholics like BOL start spouting their lies. Yes, I HATE Catholicism, but I don't hate Catholics. They need to wake up and come out of her so they don't partake of her idolatry and sexual immorality.
That's like saying, "I love Betty Crocker's recipes, but I hate Betty Crocker."

The sex abuse crisis in the Catholic Church has ended. The sadistic bigotry has not.
There is no anti-Catholicism in your web page. Obviously, you are not following what you claim to profess. You throw flaming zingers around like the other phonies in here.
 

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You keep hiding your head in the sand BOL. You just won't admit the FACT that the RCC has a sexual immorality problem. You keep trivializing it and deflecting to the Protestant churches who, I agree, are just as bad.
Not at ALL.
I’m just not as ignorant of Scripture as YOU are.

Jesus warned that bad people would arise out of His flock and lead people astray and into sin.

You continue to pontificate against the Catholic Church while ignore the growing problem of sexual molesters, money-grubbers and charlatans among ALL non-Catholic sects in your OWN back yard.

Your hypocrisy knows NO bounds . . .
 
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In Matt. 16:18-19, Jesus tells Peter, “You are Peter (Kepha) and on this Rock (Kepha) I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. I will give YOU the keys to the kingdom of heaven. WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth will be bound in heaven, and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth will be loosed in heaven."

This is about AUTHORITY and binding and loosing. It’s about forgiveness of sin and salvation.
I agree. Its also about how the grave will not prevail because Yeshua had victory over it and has the keys to its gates.
 

gadar perets

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The sex abuse crisis in the Catholic Church has ended.
That's the funniest, yet most deceiving comment I have read in months. Evidently you are another Catholic who hides his head in the sand.

Catholic Priests Abused 1,000 Children in Pennsylvania, Report Says (August 14, 2018)

German report documents more than 3,600 abuse cases within the Catholic Church (September 25, 2018)

50 Jesuits, Including Some From Top-Ranked N.Y. Catholic Schools, Are Named as Abusers (January 15, 2019)


There is no anti-Catholicism in your web page.
Correct, because I do not openly attack any church unless they start falsely teaching against the truth like the Catholics on this thread have done.
 

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Not at ALL.
I’m just not as ignorant of Scripture as YOU are.

Jesus warned that bad people would arise out of His flock and lead people astray and into sin.

You continue to pontificate against the Catholic Church while ignore the growing problem of sexual molesters, money-grubbers and charlatans among ALL non-Catholic sects in your OWN back yard.

Your hypocrisy knows NO bounds . . .
I state facts and all you do is attack me personally. I know the truth hurts, but so does the behavior of the RCC. No one should have to live with all the hurt they are causing their own flock. Why don't you get your head out of the sand and start dispelling the darkness that pervades the RCC instead of fighting against those who shine a light in that darkness?
 
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Christ's Church has been Trinitarian from the beginning . . .

Ignatius of Antioch
Take care, therefore, to be confirmed in the decrees of the Lord and of the Apostles, in order that in everything you do, you may prosper in body and in soul, in faith and in love, in Son and in Father and in Spirit (Letter to the Magnesians 13:1 [A.D. 110]).

Athenagoras
For, as we acknowledge a God, and a Son his Logos, and a Holy Spirit, united in essence, - the Father, the Son, the Spirit because the Son is intelligence, reason, wisdom of the Father, and the Spirit an effluence, as light from fire; so also do we apprehend the existence of other powers, which exercise dominion about matter, and by means of it (A Plea for the Christians, 2:18 [A.D. 177]).

Irenaeus
For the Son, who is the Word of God, arranged these things beforehand from the beginning, the Father being in no want of angels, in order that He might call the creation into being, and form man, for whom also the creation was made; nor, again, standing in need of any instrumentality for the framing of created things, or for the ordering of those things which had reference to man; while, [at the same time,] He has a vast and unspeakable number of servants. For His offspring and His similitude do minister to Him in every respect; that is, the Son and the Holy Spirit, the Word and Wisdom; whom all the angels serve, and to whom they are subject (Against Heresies 4:7:4 [A.D. 189]).

Theophilus of Antioch
The three days which were before the luminaries, are types of the Trinity, of God, and His Word, and His Wisdom (To Autolycus 2:18 [A.D. 181]).

Clement of Alexandria
And the address in the Timœus calls the creator, Father, speaking thus: ‘Ye gods of gods, of whom I am Father; and the Creator of your works.’ So that when he says, ‘Around the king of all, all things are, and because of Him are all things; and he [or that] is the cause of all good things; and around the second are the things second in order; and around the third, the third,’ I understand nothing else than the Holy Trinity to be meant; for the third is the Holy Spirit, and the Son is the second, by whom all things were made according to the will of the Father (Stromata 5:14 [A.D. 202]).

Hippolytus
A man, therefore, even though he will it not, is compelled to acknowledge God the Father Almighty, and Christ Jesus the Son of God, who, being God, became man, to whom also the Father made all things subject, Himself excepted, and the Holy Spirit; and that these, therefore, are three. But if he desires to learn how it is shown still that there is one God, let him know that His power is one. As far as regards the power, therefore, God is one. But as far as regards the economy there is a threefold manifestation, as shall be proved afterwards when we give account of the true doctrine (Against the Heresy of One Noetus 8 [A.D. 200-210]).

Tertullian
…All are of One, by unity (that is) of substance; while the mystery of the dispensation is still guarded, which distributes the Unity into a Trinity, placing in their order the three Persons – the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost: three, however, not in condition, but in degree; not in substance, but in form; not in power, but in aspect; yet of one substance, and of one condition, and of one power, inasmuch as He is one God, from whom these degrees and forms and aspects are reckoned, under the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost (Against Praxeus 2 [A.D. 213]).

Origen
…the divine benefits [are] bestowed upon us by Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, which Trinity is the fountain of all holiness…. (On First Principles 1:4:2 [A.D. 225]).



Gregory Thaumaturgus

There is a perfect Trinity, in glory and eternity and sovereignty, neither divided nor estranged. Wherefore there is nothing either created or in servitude in the Trinity; nor anything superinduced, as if at some former period it was non-existent, and at some later period it was introduced. And thus neither was the Son ever wanting to the Father, nor the Spirit to the Son; but without variation and without change, the same Trinity abides forever (Declaration of Faith [circa A.D. 250]).


Methodius
Whence also in this place they are not only said to hymn with their praises the divine substance of the divine unity, but also the glory to be adored by all of that one of the sacred Trinity, which now, by the appearance of God in the flesh, hath even lighted upon earth (Oration Concerning Simeon and Anna 2 [A.D. 300]).

Gregory Nazianzen
But [the faithful] worship the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, one Godhead; God the Father, God the Son and (do not be angry) God the Holy Spirit, one nature in three personalities, intellectual, perfect, self-existent, numerically separate, but not separate in godhead (Orations 33 [A.D. 374]).

Epiphanius
[The Antiochenes] confess the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit to be consubstantial, three hypostases, one essence, one divinity. That is the true faith which has been handed down by the fathers… (Against the Heresies of the Panarians 73 [A.D. 374-377]).

Ambrose of Milan
The substance of the Trinity is, so to say, a common Essence in that which is distinct, an incomprehensible, ineffable Substance. We hold the distinction, not the confusion of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; a distinction without separation; a distinction without plurality; and thus we believe in Father, Son and Holy Spirit as each existing from and to eternity in this divine and wonderful Mystery: not in two Fathers, nor in two Sons, nor in two Spirits (To Gratian, On the Christian Faith 4:8 [A.D. 381]).

Augustine
As regards this question, then, let us believe that the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit is one God, the Creator and Ruler of the whole creature; and that the Father is not the Son, nor the Holy Spirit either the Father or the Son, but a trinity of persons mutually interrelated, and a unity of an equal essence (On the Trinity 9:1 [A.D. 428]).

Well done and thanks!
 

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QUOTE: "Not true nonsense lie;"

You are CLEARLY saying what I wrote was "not true". If one is saying something that is not true it could be considered a lie HOWEVER it might just be a misstatement by that person or something said out of ignorance.

HOWEVER,
you then went on to add the word "lie" at the end of the sentence which made it clear you thought I was lying and not making a misstatement......soooooo you did call me a liar and you are twisting your own words just like you twist scripture.

I knew your arrogant pride would never allow you to apologize but I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask. I can read you like a book. :rolleyes:

Mistress of apologetics you know where to go to.
You should read yourself!
These quotes—
The Holy Ghost has called me by the gospel and illuminated me with his gifts and sanctified and preserved me in the true faith...Martin Luther
For Scripture is the school of the Holy Spirit, in which, as nothing is omitted that is both necessary and useful to know, so nothing is taught but what is expedient to know. Therefore we must guard against depriving believers of anything disclosed about predestination in Scripture, lest we seem either wickedly to defraud them of the blessing of their God or to accuse and scoff at the Holy Spirit for having published what it is in any way profitable to suppress....The grace of God has no charms for men till the Holy Spirit gives them a taste for it..... The Spirit of God who acts upon you is the helper of those who act. .....John Calvin
Almighty, eternal and merciful God, whose Word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path, open and illuminate our minds, that we may purely and perfectly understand thy Word.....Ulrich Zwingli
—are confirming, exactly, what I said, that these men insisted they were led by the Scriptures, not by any inner ‘spirit’ superior which you allege, they insisted, was the Holy Spirit of God.
 
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Yup – YOU and Gadar should know about that.

You’re both offshoots of offshoots of offshoots of true Christianity. Unfortunately, you BOTH offshoot so much that you lost sight of Christ. Gadar with his bizarre anti-Trinitarian, anti-God beliefs – and YOU with your online cult led by a Santa Claus look-alike “General” in military garb.

YIKES!!!
Oh hello BOL have a nice day.

1Pe_2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

God bless
 

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Who says they believe differently? You don't even know who they are, so how can you say they interpret Scripture differently? Maybe they do in some areas, but as far as what matters (the Gospel, strict monotheism, and keeping the commandments) they are probably in agreement. I say "probably" because I do not know who they are either.
Are you being serious??? Never mind....I know you are.

How can you even say that they believe the same in what matters (Gospel, strick monotheism, keeping the commandments) if you don't even know WHO they are to ask them? You even admit they are PROBABLY in agreement.....but no one really knows not do they?

Your theory makes ZERO sense and is not the slightest bit provable....but an interesting theory.
 

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Mistress of apologetics you know where to go to.
You should read yourself!
These quotes—
The Holy Ghost has called me by the gospel and illuminated me with his gifts and sanctified and preserved me in the true faith...Martin Luther
For Scripture is the school of the Holy Spirit, in which, as nothing is omitted that is both necessary and useful to know, so nothing is taught but what is expedient to know. Therefore we must guard against depriving believers of anything disclosed about predestination in Scripture, lest we seem either wickedly to defraud them of the blessing of their God or to accuse and scoff at the Holy Spirit for having published what it is in any way profitable to suppress....The grace of God has no charms for men till the Holy Spirit gives them a taste for it..... The Spirit of God who acts upon you is the helper of those who act. .....John Calvin
Almighty, eternal and merciful God, whose Word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path, open and illuminate our minds, that we may purely and perfectly understand thy Word.....Ulrich Zwingli
—are confirming, exactly, what I said, that these men insisted they were led by the Scriptures, not by any inner ‘spirit’ superior which you allege, they insisted, was the Holy Spirit of God.
What does all that have to do with you calling me a liar and then saying you didn't call me a liar??

Patient Mary
 

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I state facts and all you do is attack me personally. I know the truth hurts, but so does the behavior of the RCC. No one should have to live with all the hurt they are causing their own flock. Why don't you get your head out of the sand and start dispelling the darkness that pervades the RCC instead of fighting against those who shine a light in that darkness?
No – it’s just that YOU refuse to accept the documented evidence showing the perversion and corruption in your OWN back yard. Your NO ONE should have to live with all the hurt and YOUR sects are causing to your OWN flocks.

It’s easy to point at the sins of others. It’s a completely different kettle of fish when it comes to holding that mirror up to yourself and your kind.

Your hypocrisy knows NO bounds . . .
 
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Oh hello BOL have a nice day.

1Pe_2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

God bless
TRANSLATION:
“I have run OUT of ammunition and have nothing more to say.”

That’s what I thought . . .
 

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I agree. Its also about how the grave will not prevail because Yeshua had victory over it and has the keys to its gates.
Yet YOU would have us believe that the promise of Christ to His Church in Matt. 116-18-19 quickly descended into a gigantic perversion right after He ascended to Heaven and His Church fell apart and wasn’t rebuilt until the 16th century.

This is an asinine prospect – and a great offense to God. Your insistence that Christ was a liar is an offense to ALL of us true followers.
 
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Are you being serious??? Never mind....I know you are.

How can you even say that they believe the same in what matters (Gospel, strick monotheism, keeping the commandments) if you don't even know WHO they are to ask them? You even admit they are PROBABLY in agreement.....but no one really knows not do they?

Your theory makes ZERO sense and is not the slightest bit provable....but an interesting theory.
May Almighty YHWH opens your eyes and bring you out of the darkness of Roman Catholicism.
 

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No – it’s just that YOU refuse to accept the documented evidence showing the perversion and corruption in your OWN back yard. Your NO ONE should have to live with all the hurt and YOUR sects are causing to your OWN flocks.
You continue to associate me with Protestants. My "sect" does not rape children as do the Roman Catholic clergy.
 

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Yet YOU would have us believe that the promise of Christ to His Church in Matt. 116-18-19 quickly descended into a gigantic perversion right after He ascended to Heaven and His Church fell apart and wasn’t rebuilt until the 16th century.

This is an asinine prospect – and a great offense to God. Your insistence that Christ was a liar is an offense to ALL of us true followers.
You are the one insisting that I made Christ a liar. That is because of your false understanding of what the "gates of hell" refers to.
 

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TRANSLATION:
“I have run OUT of ammunition and have nothing more to say.”

That’s what I thought . . .
Why BOL would anyone waste ammunition on someone who has shot himself in both feet, Really. Something to do with

Joh 9:40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
Joh 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

and again

1Co 6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
1Co 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

But what has the truth to do with you???

and i did it all without bold letters type change or highlights.