Is it true that there are varying levels of torment for people to go to hell and varying levels of rewards for those who go to heaven?If this is true, it makes me really want to do many things for the Almighty God!
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(eternalarcadia;50675)
Is it true that there are varying levels of torment for people to go to hell and varying levels of rewards for those who go to heaven?If this is true, it makes me really want to do many things for the Almighty God!
Yes, it is true. People who have had near death experiences or been out of their bodies say so... Those who have seen heaven have seen those who "just barely made it" in what they called "gowns" instead of robes of righteousness. Those who have gone to hell say that there are different levels of torment (See the book 23 Minutes in Hell).Scripture also verifies this:Matthew 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.Revelation 2:10 ...be faithful unto death, and I will give you a crown of life.Matthew 11-12 Blessed are you, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for My sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. (And I'm sure there are more...)God rewards everything we do, whether good or bad, but I do think that some will receive a bigger reward for larger sacrifices made...1 Corinthians 3:13-15 ...each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is. If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.God knows our hearts even better than we do, so only He knows what kind of reward we will receive in the end (though in Scripture it does give us hints). And we know that God is a Just and Fair God...
Is it true that there are varying levels of torment for people to go to hell and varying levels of rewards for those who go to heaven?If this is true, it makes me really want to do many things for the Almighty God!
Yes, it is true. People who have had near death experiences or been out of their bodies say so... Those who have seen heaven have seen those who "just barely made it" in what they called "gowns" instead of robes of righteousness. Those who have gone to hell say that there are different levels of torment (See the book 23 Minutes in Hell).Scripture also verifies this:Matthew 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.Revelation 2:10 ...be faithful unto death, and I will give you a crown of life.Matthew 11-12 Blessed are you, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for My sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. (And I'm sure there are more...)God rewards everything we do, whether good or bad, but I do think that some will receive a bigger reward for larger sacrifices made...1 Corinthians 3:13-15 ...each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is. If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.God knows our hearts even better than we do, so only He knows what kind of reward we will receive in the end (though in Scripture it does give us hints). And we know that God is a Just and Fair God...
(eternalarcadia;50675)
Is it true that there are varying levels of torment for people to go to hell and varying levels of rewards for those who go to heaven? If this is true, it makes me really want to do many things for the Almighty God!
God knows your heart, and if you suddenly start living with him just because you think you will get a reward than your wrong.If that is the case than all your good deeds are in vain. You should want to live every minute for God out of obediance and love, not out of a desire for a reward. That is selfish and earthly thinking, and that doesn't fly with God.
Is it true that there are varying levels of torment for people to go to hell and varying levels of rewards for those who go to heaven? If this is true, it makes me really want to do many things for the Almighty God!
God knows your heart, and if you suddenly start living with him just because you think you will get a reward than your wrong.If that is the case than all your good deeds are in vain. You should want to live every minute for God out of obediance and love, not out of a desire for a reward. That is selfish and earthly thinking, and that doesn't fly with God.
(followerofchrist;50754)
God knows your heart, and if you suddenly start living with him just because you think you will get a reward than your wrong.If that is the case than all your good deeds are in vain. You should want to live every minute for God out of obediance and love, not out of a desire for a reward. That is selfish and earthly thinking, and that doesn't fly with God.
I havnt suddenly started to live with him; I've been living with Him I do the things I do because I want to please God and be obedient. We most definitely should think about our reward, God tells us that he has prepared a place for us, but I agree, it shouldn't be the reason for all your good works and faith. But at the same time -- There would be alot less christians if they knew that there would be no reward for the things they had done.
God knows your heart, and if you suddenly start living with him just because you think you will get a reward than your wrong.If that is the case than all your good deeds are in vain. You should want to live every minute for God out of obediance and love, not out of a desire for a reward. That is selfish and earthly thinking, and that doesn't fly with God.
I havnt suddenly started to live with him; I've been living with Him I do the things I do because I want to please God and be obedient. We most definitely should think about our reward, God tells us that he has prepared a place for us, but I agree, it shouldn't be the reason for all your good works and faith. But at the same time -- There would be alot less christians if they knew that there would be no reward for the things they had done.
While I believe in eternal torment. Yes, there are multiple levels of hell. I believe that people who led a life against Christianity, evil dictators, etc. will have a worse punishment than just an every day sinner. But don't get me wrong, they're both going to be punishment.Some people on this board do not believe in an eternal hell. They believe that our souls will be destroyed if we go to hell. Personally, I think that the idea of our souls being destroyed is out of God's nature.
Tell me Wakka what is the second death then???????Whatdo yoiu think God means when hesayshe will turn Satan to ashes.you think these things are not forever are not biblical???
(kriss;50780)
Tell me Wakka what is the second death then???????Whatdo yoiu think God means when hesayshe will turn Satan to ashes.you think these things are not forever are not biblical???
Well, God is the ultimate judge. He's the most just Judge around. Like in real life, a person will have to pay their time for breaking the law. Sinners who break the law will have to pay their time. In this case, eternal punishment. That seems more just than just killing people off. Where does it say He'll turn Satan into ashes. God said that He'll give us new bodies made especially for Heaven and/or the Lake of Fire.Revelation 20:10-13 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. 11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Mark 9:44-45Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:Geenna γέεννα (Not Hades) is the word used for hell. It is the future place for sinners. Aka: Lake of fire. Note, Lake of Fire has two separate words (Lake, Fire).Another note. When it is said that the person will be cast into hell, they'll not only be sent there. But they'll be eternally separated from God. That is the second death. As far as I know, God is life.
Tell me Wakka what is the second death then???????Whatdo yoiu think God means when hesayshe will turn Satan to ashes.you think these things are not forever are not biblical???
Well, God is the ultimate judge. He's the most just Judge around. Like in real life, a person will have to pay their time for breaking the law. Sinners who break the law will have to pay their time. In this case, eternal punishment. That seems more just than just killing people off. Where does it say He'll turn Satan into ashes. God said that He'll give us new bodies made especially for Heaven and/or the Lake of Fire.Revelation 20:10-13 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. 11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Mark 9:44-45Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:Geenna γέεννα (Not Hades) is the word used for hell. It is the future place for sinners. Aka: Lake of fire. Note, Lake of Fire has two separate words (Lake, Fire).Another note. When it is said that the person will be cast into hell, they'll not only be sent there. But they'll be eternally separated from God. That is the second death. As far as I know, God is life.
(Wakka;50778)
While I believe in eternal torment. Yes, there are multiple levels of hell. I believe that people who led a life against Christianity, evil dictators, etc. will have a worse punishment than just an every day sinner. But don't get me wrong, they're both going to be punishment.Some people on this board do not believe in an eternal hell. They believe that our souls will be destroyed if we go to hell. Personally, I think that the idea of our souls being destroyed is out of God's nature.
We already have a thread about this wakka.http://www.christianityboard.com/punishmen...rnal-t7165.htmlIn case you are curious.And yes, the early church fathers agree with the eternal nature of hell.http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/beliefs/hell.htm
While I believe in eternal torment. Yes, there are multiple levels of hell. I believe that people who led a life against Christianity, evil dictators, etc. will have a worse punishment than just an every day sinner. But don't get me wrong, they're both going to be punishment.Some people on this board do not believe in an eternal hell. They believe that our souls will be destroyed if we go to hell. Personally, I think that the idea of our souls being destroyed is out of God's nature.
We already have a thread about this wakka.http://www.christianityboard.com/punishmen...rnal-t7165.htmlIn case you are curious.And yes, the early church fathers agree with the eternal nature of hell.http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/beliefs/hell.htm
He says he turns Satan to ashes in Eze and as I posted in the other thread the word used for forever is used to denote one's life time also as in you will be my slave forever. So the fact this is qualified with a subjective term Day and Night does not nessarily mean forever but throughtout an entire age in this case the milllieum age, Now Im not trying to change your mind you can believe in eternal burning in hell but you shouldnt make a blanket statement its not in the bible without qualifing its your opinionunless you are dead sure its not.When in fact it could be believed either way.Just depends on how many contrdictions you are willing to accept. And by the second death is the death of your soul and without a soul you cease to exist.
(kriss;50793)
He says he turns Satan to ashes in Eze and as I posted in the other thread the word used for forever is used to denote one's life time also as in you will be my slave forever. So the fact this is qualified with a subjective term Day and Night does not nessarily mean forever but throughtout an entire age in this case the milllieum age, Now Im not trying to change your mind you can believe in eternal burning in hell but you shouldnt make a blanket statement its not in the bible When in fact it could be believed either way.Just depends on how manycontrdictions you are willing to accept. And by the second death is the death of your soul and without a soul you cease to exist.
Yes it is said in Ezekiel 28 that Satan will die. It is also said that the soul shall die if it sinneth in Ezekiel 18.I repeat...Death means death. Since when was death mean to keep someone alive forever?
He says he turns Satan to ashes in Eze and as I posted in the other thread the word used for forever is used to denote one's life time also as in you will be my slave forever. So the fact this is qualified with a subjective term Day and Night does not nessarily mean forever but throughtout an entire age in this case the milllieum age, Now Im not trying to change your mind you can believe in eternal burning in hell but you shouldnt make a blanket statement its not in the bible When in fact it could be believed either way.Just depends on how manycontrdictions you are willing to accept. And by the second death is the death of your soul and without a soul you cease to exist.
Yes it is said in Ezekiel 28 that Satan will die. It is also said that the soul shall die if it sinneth in Ezekiel 18.I repeat...Death means death. Since when was death mean to keep someone alive forever?
Had never seriously thought about different levels. The times I have read about this in the past it was based on theories and books other then the Bible.
The story of lazerus & the rich man gives us a clue as to how hell is. First we r made in the image of God, God is a spirit being, we r spirit beings trapped inside a body they r intertwined what effects one effects the other. Most pain and plsasure is in the body. The rich man was probably a very moral man, his sin was greed and gluttony, he complained only about his tongue being tormented.If we go to hell we will be given a body that cannot be destoryed but will suffer the torments of hell according to our sins. I hope this explains what u wanted to know.
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There's a man in our church that said, "We all have eternal life. It's just a matter of where we are going to spend it (heaven or hell). This did not go over well with me because the bible says that the sinner will die. Yes, he or she will be resurrected (John 5) for life eternal or the second death.If death means the cessation of consciousness, then I fail to see how someone can "live" forever in torment. Rather, the bible teaches that they will become as ashes. This is eternal (i.e. eternal punishment) and the sentence of this will be forever. This is NOT the same as eternal torment of Satan and his angels. In this case, where does the bible say they will die? Let someone show me one scripture of this.However, I do believe there will be a fire torment before dying and how long that lasts I cannot say.Either way, depending on which way one believes, the end is NOT GOOD and would not want to be part of either. But personally I will not face that situation.
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