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How much ungodly behavior do you see in the church?
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It is GOD that changes hearts, through the Holy Spirit. It's not a men's actions (including men's actions in a church body).
I agree about evangelizing and seeking to fulfill by God's grace the Great Commission, Acts 28.
Hidden In Him
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LoL. The church itself, through bad misrepresentation of Christianity as being a powerless, unspiritual, carnal, self-serving religion... which means it will be no easy fix.
I appreciate your story of the praying for the principle to be removed, and on a church by church basis your approach could have some effect. But the scope of the problem, IMO, is completely beyond anything we can fix in our own strength or even through prayer. It will have to be God, and on a scale that is unprecedented. Eventually corrupt and false leadership is going to increasingly come under judgment from God, and/or be removed as well. But we are talking about the ENTIRE breadth of Christianity right now, not just a few individuals here or there.
That sounds mighty spiritual but we're told to fulfill the great commission. How many churches are doing this? None of the churches I went to and not the one I belong to now.
I agree that things are bad - every time I read the news there is some new shock, some pastor selling out his position to compromise with the world. But if we paint ourselves into a corner we won't avail anything. Why shouldn't we at least try to pray to remove someone who is evil? If it worked to remove the principal it may work to remove someone godless in government. None of us knows what God will do, and of course He reserves the right as to whether a prayer is answered or not. But apparently He agreed with the old saint and I that the principal was harmful being in such a position.
A thought. Can you do like Jesus did, and INSTEAD of praying for vengeance against all these people who made a victim of you..... pray for their forgiveness... that they be changed.... and that they remain preachers and lawyers and school principals, but ELEVATED in their positions as Godly people?
"Yes", this honestly DOES need an answer.
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Ok well best of luck, the man insists on a "church" full of evil and whoremongers now lol. Yikes already
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bc you imply that you are qualified to define evil, as the posts you ignored yesterday would reveal. God put that person there, but you want him removed? So again, who is doing the evil here? If you have left the world you will not care about that guy anymore anyway, and you care about that guy bc you are in the world, wadr.
That's why, since you asked
God has to do it, if a church 'unblemished without spot or wrinkle', is what He wants. A pure bride, or a tainted used and adulterous one? Virgin or slightly used? I think the church is in for a shock. I like the analogy of sifting wheat. I believe there is coming a dividing of grain from chaff...and some are going to be surprised as to who is shaken out.
Mine does extensively, both on an institutional level and also just with random members too ("every member a missionary" is literally a slogan).
Still, while we are to follow God's command to preach His words, it is the Spirit whom does the converting and changes willing hearts.
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Even if you are unable to find one among the groups meeting together supposedly in the name of the Lord which really seeks to follow the Holy Spirit, you are not bound by that unless you allow yourself to be. In worst situation you may need to come out of a group that misses the Lord's way, but you alone can decide if it is God calling you to come out of her. Pray carefully and ask God to guide you in every decision...
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i'd like to suggest that "preach" is even a very suspect translation fwiw
That's a fair point-- it's helpful to expand on words.
To do so: the best preaching is not done from a pulpit nor is it with words. It is by actions/character: having His light shine through you. Never pretend to be perfect-- we are all sinners.
If is is the uncommon time when it is the time to use words, then don't do it from the pulpit. Rather, talk to a person as a friend, sitting side-by-side, and honestly listening to each other.
It's good always to keep focused on the local church; what may adversely affect one local church may not affect another, as believers independently of other congregations seek to put into practice the activities of Acts 2.42.
This really makes me sad to see these kind of statements made towards a member here....I pray the Holy Spirit will speak to you about this and to remind you to speak in love without accusations or labels or slandering another brother or sister in Christ. I know you are a good person but you are harsh.
I tried being nice to him as Scripture commands. He knew I was a Christian. I was friendly with one of the lunch ladies who told me a foster child who my neighbor had sponsored temporarily was being abused. I was friends with my neighbor but they didn't protect the girl so I had to. I asked the principal to stop the bullying and he sent me a letter and cc'd the superintendent saying that no bullying was happening. For him to take it to those lengths shows a dark heart.
You know your bible - not everyone is going to Heaven. Sanctification doesn't happen overnight - nor does even salvation. Sometimes it takes YEARS for someone to be saved. In the time it would take him to change from an immoral man, more children would be harmed. That young girl is going to be scarred for years from that abuse and my neighbor told me she had already been sexually abused. He didn't care about a child, only that HE didn't look bad. Who else was going to act if not me? She didn't have time to wait until HE changed. I stand 100% behind my decision. Apparently God came to the same conclusion as I did because He answered my prayers. Some people just should not be in a position of authority over others and the only sane act is to pray and ask that God remove them.
What would you say if there were people who wanted to pray for Hitler to be removed? Would you counsel them to pray that God would change him and have him REMAIN in his position of authority over a nation with so many lives hanging in the balance? I hope you wouldn't. He had committed too much evil. Some things are just irredeemable Willie. The Principal or Hitler may be redeemable, but they're best being redeemed away from a school or a nation where he can do no harm.
Who wouldn't see that Nancy Pelosi has done much evil in the position she's held? How many demons must she and others provide homes to? And she's about to commit much more evil. The country and Christians are better off praying and asking God to remove her to where she can do no more harm. Then we can pray for her redemption; however long that may take AND if it ever happens. Chances are she's been exposed to the salvation message, and has obviously rejected it.
Matthew 7:13
“Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:”
Hidden In Him
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I do, too. I know we differ on what sort of doctrines must be purified, but we both agree that a sifting needs to occur.
Relevant passage:
(my emphasis)
"And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren." (Luke 22.31-32)
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