Trinity vs. Tritheism: Understanding the Trinity.

justbyfaith · Jan 23, 2019

101G said:
not trying to butt into your conservation, but please explain, this above. for I'm of the belief all the dead will be reckon at the exact same time as well with the living,

I'm not sure what you mean by that...for me to answer you I think I need a more concise idea of what you believe.

101G · Jan 23, 2019

justbyfaith said:
I'm not sure what you mean by that...for me to answer you I think I need a more concise idea of what you believe.

sure, 1 Thessalonians 4:13 "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1 Thessalonians 4:14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1 Thessalonians 4:15 "For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1 Thessalonians 4:16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Thessalonians 4:17 "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.1 Thessalonians 4:18 "Wherefore comfort one another with these words".

justbyfaith · Jan 23, 2019

I think that what I meant is that the day of death is in a sense our day of reckoning; in that, at that moment, of the one who has not received Christ, he has no more opportunity to receive Him. And in that, for the one who has received Christ, he has no more opportunity to do those things that will result in eternal reward.

The very next step for both of them is that they will stand before the judgment seat of Christ; whether it be their bema seat (for the redeemed) or the Great White Throne (for the unredeemed).

101G · Jan 23, 2019

justbyfaith said:
I think that what I meant is that the day of death is in a sense our day of reckoning; in that, at that moment, of the one who has not received Christ, he has no more opportunity to receive Him. And in that, for the one who has received Christ, he has no more opportunity to do those things that will result in eternal reward.

The very next step for both of them is that they will stand before the judgment seat of Christ; whether it be their bema seat (for the redeemed0 or the Great White Throne (for the unredeemed).

ok, I understand that, good job.

be blessed.

justbyfaith · Jan 23, 2019

101G said:
ok, I understand that, good job.

be blessed.

Thank you. Blessing to you also, my brother.

Dave L · Jan 23, 2019

justbyfaith said:
The Father inhabiteth eternity, as I have said; and He became the Son who walks in flesh. Having taken on the added nature of humanity, He has a finite human brain that does not contain all of the Omniscience that He had as the Father. Also, the earth revolves on its axis; and the time of day, and even what day it is, varies according to where you are on the earth. And, again, the time of Jesus' return, for each person, may be said to be the moment of their reckoning, which might be the moment of death. And therefore only the Father knows when that time is for each individual, since it cannot ever happen at a specific date and time. It may be January 1 on one side of the globe and January 2 on the other.

This scripture actually substantiates my pov. It shows that the Person who we identify as God is the Father. No one has seen the Father at any time because He is a Spirit; however, he also descended to become a Man, taking on an added human nature; and in that, when we see the Man Christ Jesus we see the Father by extension. See John 14:7-11. In the same way, in 1 John 4:12 it should be clear that people see God in us when we truly love other people; but that love itself is something that is invisible; and therefore the way that we see love is through the way that it operates. The wind blows where it wishes. I cannot see the wind but I can see the effects of the wind, as the leaves of a tree are moved by the wind. In that I might even say that I can see the wind by extension, as when someone declares, "Did you see the wind today?" Someone being technical might reply, "no; I did not see the wind; but its effects were quite astounding!" but someone who is normal and who is not being a stickler for perfect detail might say, "I did indeed see the wind!"

I see you are now resorting to some of the verses that Jehovah's Witnesses use in their attempts to deny the Deity of Christ.

If the Son is in the bosom of the Father, how can he remain there if the Father becomes the Son? Doesn't it mean we have two persons called God spoken of here? The Father and the Son?

justbyfaith · Jan 23, 2019

Dave L said:
If the Son is in the bosom of the Father, how can he remain there if the Father becomes the Son? Doesn't it mean we have two persons called God spoken of here? The Father and the Son?

Two persons who are the same Person, Isaiah 9:6.

Dave L · Jan 23, 2019

justbyfaith said:
Two persons who are the same Person, Isaiah 9:6.

How so if one is in the bosom of the other?

justbyfaith · Jan 23, 2019

The Father stays behind in eternity and in the same moment moves forward to become the Son.

Not in answer to #768.

farouk · Jan 23, 2019

Dave L said:
How so if one is in the bosom of the other?

I just don't get the supposed merging of the Divine Persons.

justbyfaith · Jan 23, 2019

Dave L said:
How so if one is in the bosom of the other?

I suppose that some things will continue to be a mystery.

Dave L · Jan 23, 2019

justbyfaith said:
The Father stays behind in eternity and in the same moment moves forward to become the Son.

Not in answer to #768.

The Son IS in the bosom of the Father. Which rules out modalism. How can the father have a bosom if he becomes the Son?

justbyfaith · Jan 23, 2019

farouk said:
I just don't get the supposed merging of the Divine Persons.

How do you figure?

Dave L · Jan 23, 2019

justbyfaith said:
I suppose that some things will continue to be a mystery.

Really?

101G · Jan 23, 2019

Dave L said:
If the Son is in the bosom of the Father, how can he remain there if the Father becomes the Son? Doesn't it mean we have two persons called God spoken of here? The Father and the Son?

don't mean to butt into your conversatation,
ERROR on your part, the Father become? .... no, the correct language to use is how the Spirit is the Son in flesh. that's the question. answer Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God".

PICJAG

Dave L · Jan 23, 2019

101G said:
don't mean to butt into your conversatation,
ERROR on your part, the Father become? .... no, the correct language to use is how the Spirit is the Son in flesh. that's the question. answer Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God".

PICJAG

But answer this without writing volumes. How is the Son in the bosom of the Father if the Father becomes the Son? Where did the father's bosom go?

farouk · Jan 23, 2019

Dave L said:
Really?

The point is that Biblical revelation is mystery revealed...

101G · Jan 23, 2019

Dave L said:
But answer this without writing volumes. How is the Son in the bosom of the Father if the Father becomes the Son? Where did the father's bosom go?

again the Father never become anything. Father is a title of the Holy Spirit, but the nature, and essence/characteristics of the Son is in the "SHARE" of the Spirit/God in flesh...

PICJAG.

Dave L · Jan 23, 2019

101G said:
again the Father never become anything. Father is a title of the Holy Spirit, but the nature, and essence/characteristics of the Son is in the "SHARE" of the Spirit/God in flesh...

PICJAG.

It's a role change = what happened to the Father's bosom if he became the Son?

101G · Jan 23, 2019

Dave L said:
It's a role change = what happened to the Father's bosom if he became the Son?

First thanks for the reply, second,
you still ERROR, the Title Father never become nothing. Let's say what the BIBLE, the WORD of God say. ok,

Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God”
The key to understanding the Godhead in this verse is this Greek word “Form”, and it’s root. By understanding it’s root then one will understand our Lord’s Nature. being in the bosom, Especially what kind of Nature our Lord and Saviour has.
Form: according to Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments, it is the Greek word, G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n.
1. form.
2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
Root(s): G3313

Ok, our Lord’s NATURE is the "SAME" as the Spirit, but the question is what KIND of Equal Nature do he have? That is found in the root of G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee'), which is G3313 μέρος meros (me'-ros) n.
1. a portion (i.e. an amount allotted, a part of something).
KJV: behalf, course, coast, craft, particular (+ -ly), part (+ -ly), piece, portion, respect, side, some sort(-what).
definition #1. gives us and the world the answer to our Lord's NATURE. "portion" is Synonyms with or another word for "SHARE"

conclusion: our Lord Jesus has a "SHARED" equal nature of the Spirit.

was that short enough dave?.

now knowing that, I as like the apostle Paul is set for the defence of the Gospel.

PICJAG.

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