(lizz7711;50774)
Ok, i'm sorry for posting again but i have alot of questions! Why would God make a prophecy, stating there are to be "70 weeks" and then just break off after 69 weeks with no indication of how long this break is to be? Are there any other instances in the Bible where time frames are given like that and then there are arbitrary breaks in the middle? I'm leaning towards believing the 70 weeks have already happened as it makes little sense to me that the last week would be separated by 2000+ years. Also, it says in the middle of the week sacrificed would be abolished...and Jesus accomplished that. And Jesus did also in a spiritual sense fulfill "everlasting righteousness etc" by His resurrection. But as i've said, i'm new to this so please feel free to enlighten me to your view points!thanks,Liz
Hi Liz,I just joined this forum, and would like to give you my understanding of Daniel's Seventy Weeks. The message is given by God in anwser to his prayer, by Gabriel. It is a message of restoration and hope for the people, the Holy City, and the Temple, but also of the coming of the Messiah, (Christ) Jesus. The message is from God's perspective and His appointed times. The message is also from Daniel's perspective, the decrees issued by earthly kings, as moved by the Sprit of God. To do His Will.The message is the perspective of Christ Jesus, to follow everything the Holy Father told him, in the Law, Prophets, and Psalms.The message also shows Daniel the Symbolic Month of Passover.This is my understanding, from my study of Daniel, and the Holy Scriptures. Which I belive are the Words of God spoken to his servants, and that Scripture proves Scripture.I would also like to point out, that when Daniel wrote down the message, after being in Babylon for almost seventy years, he wrote using Old Hebrew, without vowel points, which was incorporated by scribes during the time of Christ Jesus, as in the Daniel scrolls, found in 1947 in the caves at Qumran.Daniel was eighty some years old, held a very high position of power, had access to the Holy Scrolls. And while deep in prayer, the angel Gabriel came to him. And Daniel, sets the time and date, from reading the scroll of Jeremiah's dates and in writing it down. From which we have reference points, in history. I used the year 539 bc, as a base date on a timeline chart, as I plotted out points of time from Scriptures. In doing so, I realize two seperate periods of seventy years, one for the people, and the other for the Temple.the people; 606 bc, to 536 bc. and the Temple 586 bc, to the rebuilt Temple in 516 bc. So from the first chapter of Daniel the years of captivity without a Temple, the people build synagogs to house the Law, and scrolls, and to meet and pray, elders become teachers. And they keep the Sabbath, counting the weeks.While once before, God warned them to keep His Sabbaths, and if they did not, Heaven and Earth would keep the Sabbaths. Before they were carried off to Babylon.So we know, that as long as the people are in exile, and the Temple and Altar are in ruins, there was a lapse in counting the weeks, by the people, but the message given to Daniel, gave them hope. At the fall of Babylon in 536 bc, there is a first return of a group they rebuild the Altar, and start on the walls. And by 535 bc, construction on the Temple starts, but under opposition by local Arabs, work starts and stops to 520 bc. and the decree is found to allow construction, and by 516 bc. the Temple is completed, (but not to it's former grandeur !) In Ezra 7:6-9, recorded the second groups return in 458 bc. and in 444 bc. Nehemiah 1:1, recorded the third groups return, and by 441 bc. the first Passover Feast of the sacred year, starts the count of weeks. Its here that the Vision and Prophecy are sealed. The period between 539 bc. and 441 bc. is 98 years, this is a "shavuim" of sevens or multiples of seven, being two periods of 49 years. The first half of the 98 year/week, being the time of earthly decrees, while the Temple was being restored, all the people did not return, to the Holy City, Jerusalem and as the 49th year approched, there was a plot to kill all the Jews, in the land by Haman, this being the middle of a week of 98 years, is the year 490 bc./3270 ce. (the period of Esther, a decree saved the Jews) Esther 8:8-14. Which assured the full return, of God's people. (even Daniel in 441 bc. three and one half years, later after the third return)The message, "until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens' (7x7 =49 [twice in 98 yrs.]), and sixty-two 'sevens' ( 62 x 7 = 434 years ) is the period between 441 bc. and 7 bc. and eight months after the message given to Mary, when Jesus was born in 6 bc., eight days later He was circumcised, and named Jesus. And on the fortieth day, consecrated to the Lord in the Temple. And seen by Simeon. Luke 2:25-40.From 7 bc. to 70 ad. is a 'Shavuim' of 77 years, a week of 77 years, in the middle of this week, a week of seven years, counted from 28 ad. to 35 ad. and in the middle of the week, the Anointed One, will be cut off. In the year 31 ad./3791 c.e.As you can see, Daniel knew there would be a change in times, a change in the counting of years. But remember the Jews had their own counting, their own months, during this period the Rabbis determined from Scriptures that it was 3760 years from Adam and the Creation, six years after Jesus was born and they numbered the Jewish years accordingly. From 46 bc. the Julian Roman year 707 A.U.C. (ab urbe condita) the calendar underwent many changes. And was not of use for the Jewish Feasts and Holy days.Where God had told Moses, "this for you is your first month, the first month of your year" in Ex. 12:2, and Ex. 13:4, "Today, in the month of Abib, you are leaving. It is this first Passover, that is the type for the Lamb of God, Christ Jesus.The message of the Seventy Weeks, is applicable to God's Creation Week, as proclaimed by John 1:1-14. In the middle of one week, the forth day of the Creation Week, the light of the world is seen. It is God's Plan for the Lamb, it's written into the Law, the Command and Decree is given to Moses, to leave Egypt at an exact point in time, to the day. To enter the Promised Land to build and settle in the land. Then when we consider, that the giving of the Law, to Moses, and God's chosen people, is in the middle of a Week of Seven Thousand Years, the year being counted as 1446 bc./2314 ce.; which is the last half of God's Plan, being a span of 3500 years, ( where 70 times 50 equals 3500) Where we know from the Law, the counting of Sabbatic years, 7 x 7 = 49, plus the following year, the fiftieth a Holy Year, a Jubilee ! see: Lev. 25:10, Luke 4:19. That Heaven and Earth would keep, even if the Law was transgressed, and not kept.The Message given to Daniel, also points to the month of the Anointed One, Christ Jesus. The month of Abib, is the first month of the Sacred calendar, it commences with the first new moon, after the Spring Equinox, where the hours of day and night are equal. The month of Seventy Weeks, the month of Abib, only occur at set points in time. Jesus observed, the Feasts, and seasons, He knew when His time was right, the month of Abib, in 31 ad./3791 ce. was appointed by God, in the beginning.The month of Abib, can only be the month of Seventy weeks, when the first new moon is observed, after the equinox. And the first day of the month starts at twilight dusk, after the forth day of the week. This being the start of the fifth day (Thursday), where the Sabbath days of the month, are 3, 10, 17, 24, of a 30 day month.(Note: to see this more clearly, or if you have calendar maker software, print out the month (May 2008, or Jan. 2009) change the month name to Abib. the first one I made was 8.5 x 11, in landscape view. But a larger size allows note writting in each day of applicable Scripture.)Now with our new month of Abib, with highlighter pens, and our Bibles, lets read Ex. 12: 1 thru 13:16. In verse 12:3, Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb for his family, one for each household. ( I used a green pen and highlighted the left edge of the 10th day, for twilight dusk the start of the day, and yellow along the green and border edge of the day, with the center clear for notes, all of the Rest days of the month can be colored the same way.)Verse, 6; Take care of them until the four-teenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. (using a green pen highlight the left edge of the fourteenth day, and yellow the border as this is also a Sabbath day, a High Holy Sabbath, as is the tenth day.) Keeping in mind the Sabbath Laws given afterwards. Verse, 8; That same night..... Verse, 10; Do not leave any of it till morning; Read thru to verse, 18; in part; .... from the evening of the fourteenth day untill the evening of the twenty-first day. verse, 19; For seven days no yeast is to be found in your houses..... They were already told to sprinkled the blood of the Lamb on the exterior door frame and door. But notice it's in verse 21, Then Moses summoned all the elders of Israel and said to them, "Go at once and select the animals for your families and slaughter the Passover lamb. Verse, 22; Take a bunch of hyssop, dip it into the blood in the basin and put some of the blood on the top and on both sides of the doorframe. Not one of you shall go out of his house until morning.What day do you think this was? They needed the light of day to discern the plant Hyssop, they needed time to select a pure lamb, and time to save the blood in a basin and sprinkle it on the doorframes, before dark or dusk of twilight where only shapes can be seen, not colors. Remember the Jewish day starts the night before the day.This was the 13th day of the month, the Passover being at Midnight after the start of the 14th day at dusk. Then this 13th day, is a Preparation day, for the Passover.Verse, 29; At midnight the Lord struck down all the firstborn in Egypt ..... verse 30 all the Egyptians got up during the night, and there was a loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead.On my month of Abib, I marked the outline of the 13th, 14th and 15th days with red/pink highlighter pen, for the blood of the Lamb of God, and because this is the middle of the Passover week, of the month of seventy, it's also the first half of the seven year week, which is three and one half years, or forty-two months of Christ Jesus's Ministry, and the 13 + 14 + 15 = 42, in the weeks of seventy month of Abib.I then highlighted in red/pink all the fourth days of the month weeks, being; 7, 14, 21, 28, which are the seventy in the middle of the weeks of Abib. (7+14+21+28=70) The Lamb of God, was cut off on the Preparation Day, taken down off the cross before dusk/twilight, and placed in a tomb before sunset.The message to Daniel, after the weeks of 62 the Anointed One, is cut off. When we look at our month of Abib, and highlight the second days of the weeks, (Mondays) which I did in blue highlighter pen, we can see the 5+12+19+26=62, is the symbolic week of sixty-two. In this symbolic month of Abib, the 13th, 14th & 15th mentioned are also in a shortened week of seventy, as ( 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 = 70) with the red/pink cross of Christ shown in the middle. While some biblical scholars may not agree with my pointing out of the symbolic cross, before the fact.I would like to point out, did Abraham realize when he walked the length and breath of the land God brought him to, that his footsteps left a symbolic cross on the land. And did every head of the household realize that after they followed Moses directions, they sprinkled the blood on the top and sides of each doorframe, the blood marked a symbolic cross on every door. How many biblical scholars, will disagree with my placing the giving of the Law to Moses, on my timeline of Seventy Weeks, in the middle of the Millennium Week? What, one sign could there be in the Word, that would point out the first 3500 years of the Week? In Genesis, when Abraham rescued Lot, it is mentioned he went as far as the land of Dan. This has confounded scholars for centuries, because Dan was not even born at the time. Was God pointing to Christ, and Daniels message, when it is written Abraham sent out 318 trained men to rescue Lot, and went as far as Dan. Gen. 14:14;In my study Bible, the study note for this verse is; (Dan) this well known city in the north was not given the name "Dan" until the days of judges [see Jdg. 18:29], The designation here is thus an editoral updating subsequent to Moses' time.I don't agree with this scholarly note, the mention of Dan, the first time in Scriptures, and the only time that the Arabic number 318 and trained men is used or written in Scripture is in verse 14. It's symbolicly written by Moses, as moved by the Holy Sprit, thus in turn the reader, also moved by the Holy Sprit, would seek it's meaning. In my study of God's Word, and the Seventy Weeks, I knew in Genesis, Lamech in boasting to his wives, states; Gen. 4:24, If Cain is avenged seven times, then Lamech seventy-seven times. This verse has it's counterpoint, in Jesus' response to Peter's question about forgivness in Mt. 18: 21-22. But I wondered would these sevens have a value to Lamech' words.( 70 x 7 = 490, 490 x 7 = 3,430 ) I knew on my Seventy Weeks timeline chart, from the birth of Christ to the destruction of the Temple in 70 ad. is 77 years. Jesus gave us the model of 40 days in the desert before His Ministry of three and one-half years, the first half of a seven year week, in the middle of 77 years. Or if Moses was the type, being the forty years in the desert, before the counting of the last half of the Week (being 3500 years) then the count would start with Joshua. And according to the Laws of Moses, the fiftieth being appointed by God, would count the Jubilees. Then the Seventy Weeks, are 70 x 50= 3500 ______ ______ 7) 3,430 = 490, 49) 3,430 = 70, Would Ex. 34:30, be a division of time? In Gen. 5:1, This is the written account of Adams line. (the ages and numbers recorded in Scripture are a sign, and symbolic of things to come, or things past.) In these accounts from Gen. 5:1 thur Gen. 14:14 the ages recorded and numbers written, would reveal an astounding sum. (Hint; you can use an adding machine!)Which points to Christ Jesus and in the Seventy Weeks of Daniel, and the second advent. But also to the first half of God's Creation Week, the Millennium Week in the beginning, and the end of the Earth Age, at the second advent of Jesus our King.The counting of Weeks on my timeline, are either from the giving of the Law to Moses, or forty years later when Joshua entered the promised Land, set-up the Meeting Tent and Observed the Passover in the month of Abib. We know from Scripture, that in this last half up to the Babylon Exile, not one Jubilee year was ever observed in Israel. Or after the return from Babylon, and after the Temple was destroyed in 70 ad. it was sealed and reserved for the return of Christ Jesus, as the year of the Lord's favor.While Heaven and Earth, mark and count the Weeks, until the second advent, and the Thousand years of the new Earth Age, somewhere in scriptures called the eight day. With that hope we pray, for Our Lord's Return, at the appointed time of God.We are still the generation, that witnessed the Fig Tree (Israel) sprout buds and leaves in 1947-'48, the Jewish calendar is still in use, and numbered by year. Israel looks forward to its 69th Week/year. In my timeline chart, I added a Jubilee timeline, dating it from Joshua, after the forty years of wondering, as in 1406 bc./2354 ce. showing each Jubilee, by century. The birth of Jesus, in 6 bc./3754 ce. would of been the 28th Jubilee, it was 1400 years after Joshua's time. It's been over two-thousand years since the birth of Jesus, marked in 5754 ce./1994 ad. Where 1944, marked the 67th Jubilee, in 5704 ce. and 1948/5708 ce. Israel became a State. We are approaching the 69th Jubilee, in year 2044/5804 ce. Then it remains that the 70th Jubilee, would be in 2094 ad./5854 ce. being the last half, 3500 years of the 7000 year/Week. Or could be shortened by forty years, if counted from Moses, in 1446 bc./2314 ce. making 2054 ad./5814 ce. the end of 3500 years, (A time, a times, and half a time) This is the 'Shavuim' of Daniel's Seventy Weeks!And I pray, 'Come O Lord, Come' !Peace !OldSage