Trinity vs. Tritheism: Understanding the Trinity.
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101G
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1 John 1:1 "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
1 John 1:2 "(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
1 John 1:3 "That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
and what begining was that?, Mark 1:1 "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God".
now dave is not the Holy Spirit the Father according to Matthew 1:20.
here's your chance to come clean...
101G
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ERROR not in flesh.......
now don't advoid the question
no, it's the SAME Spirit shared.
now dave for the last time Matthews 1:23 is the Holy Ghost the Father yes or No?.
PICJAG
The Son exists eternally before the incarnation.1 John 1:1 "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
1 John 1:2 "(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
1 John 1:3 "That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
and what begining was that?, Mark 1:1 "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God".
now dave is not the Holy Spirit the Father according to Matthew 1:20.
here's your chance to come clean...
The Son exists before the incarnation. You confuse the Son of God with the Son of man.ERROR not in flesh.......
now don't advoid the question
no, it's the SAME Spirit shared.
now dave for the last time Matthews 1:23 is the Holy Ghost the Father yes or No?.
PICJAG
101G
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the son of God is Flesh,and the son of man is Spirit... lol... you didn't know that did you dave.
now matthews 1:23 calls your doctrine false and untrue.
for the conceiver is the Father of any child.
see your doctrine has fell apart. it's a falsehood ....
PICJAG
now matthews 1:23 calls your doctrine false and untrue.
for the conceiver is the Father of any child.
see your doctrine has fell apart. it's a falsehood ....
PICJAG
The Father still does exist in eternity...He cannot cease to be eternal, dwelling in eternity.
If that is an accurate rendering of the Greek then Jesus isn't God...
Isa 45:5, I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
Isa 45:21, Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? whohath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
I explain it as I have always explained it...that the God beside Jehovah is Jehovah...I suggest you meditate on how Ephesians 4:10 applies to John 1:1.
See, 1st of all, John 1:1 as saying, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the Father, and the Word was the Father...
(for the understanding of why I can algebraically substitute this, see 1 Corinthians 8:6 and 1 Corinthians 2:13 (kjv)).
Now the same was in the beginning with the Father...Now how does God descending out of eternity into time and then ascending back into eternity make for God dwelling by Himself, being with Himself in eternity?
The Son of man = God in trinity with a fully divine nature and a fully human nature, speaking through the second person of the eternal Son of God.
My friend, I have always taught that the Father and the Son are distinct within the Trinity.
I am not the one who has condemned the other one for heresy here. You began the whole pointing of the finger in the first Trinity thread where we exchanged words.
So yes, the Father is a Person, and the Son is a distinct (but not separate) Person. And they are the same Person.
Without the Holy Ghost you will probably never understand it. Maybe you should go get baptized in Jesus' Name a 2nd time; and this time repent before you go under the water.
Not exactly. But if you begin to pray that the Lord might give you understanding on the issue, maybe He will show you what the true reality is.
I know where you guys (@101G) are missing it. The historic doctrine of Christ states that God became incarnate in the man called by his name, Jesus Christ. We are body, soul and spirit according to Paul. Jesus is body, soul and God, in place of the human spirit. So the Father does not filter through him loosing information as you say. The man Jesus Christ is the triune God, speaking in the second person of the trinity, the eternal Son. If you study the historic doctrines, they will help clarify this. So the Father withholds information about the time of the second coming from the Son.
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You need to compare your version of the trinity with the historic Christian position. You are not in agreement.
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That God part is God the Father according to John 4:23-24 and John 14:7-11 .
And I would also say that the human flesh of Jesus has the divine nature in it; since it is derived from a union of the Holy Ghost and the egg in the womb of the virgin Mary. And the soul of Jesus would also be the soul of God, since it is His soul that was offered up as an offering according to Isaiah 53:10.
We can speak on this of how the soul of a perfect human being would not suffice to pay for the sins of all of humanity; but that the soul of God would suffice, being an infinite soul, paying for the sins of a multitude.
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This presents a false view of Christ. Here is an accurate definition that can help clarify his being.
Chalcedonian Creed; An English translation of the Creed
We, then, following the holy Fathers, all with one consent, teach men to confess one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, the same perfect in Godhead and also perfect in manhood; truly God and truly man, of a reasonable soul and body; consubstantial with us according to the manhood; in all things like unto us, without sin; begotten before all ages of the Father according to the Godhead, and in these latter days, for us and for our salvation, born of the virgin Mary, the mother of God, according to the manhood; one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, Only-begotten, to be acknowledged in two natures, inconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably; the distinction of natures being by no means taken away by the union, but rather the property of each nature being preserved, and concurring in one Person and one Subsistence, not parted or divided into two persons, but one and the same Son, and only begotten, God the Word, the Lord Jesus Christ, as the prophets from the beginning have declared concerning him, and the Lord Jesus Christ himself taught us, and the Creed of the holy Fathers has handed down to us.
101G
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consubstantial
please post your scriptures to support these claim, I'll ask about two just for now
#1. Mary the Mother of God.
#2. the property of each nature being preserved
PICJAG.
GINOLJC, to all.
please post your scriptures to support these claim, I'll ask about two just for now
#1. Mary the Mother of God.
#2. the property of each nature being preserved
PICJAG.
If your theory does not align with the creed, you do not understand Christ and misrepresent him.
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