70 weeks

Hi Logabe,I agree with much of what you have posted. May I ask your source for this information? What are your favorite authors, links, books and other study materials in which you come to your conclusions? I would be interested in looking into them.Kim

Daniel's 70 weeks is actually ten Jubilees. A Jubilee cycle is 49 years, followed by the Jubilee YEAR, which is the 50th year. But that 50th year is also the first year of the next Jubilee cycle, even as it is the first year of the next "week" (sabbath land-rest cycle).Thus, ten Jubilees is not 500 years, but 490, with the Jubilee year being the 491st year. While the feast-day years (or religious years) began in the spring when the months began to be counted, the sabbath-years (or civil years) began in the seventh month (September) at the end of the harvest seasons.And so, Daniel's 70 weeks must be viewed in terms of ten Jubilees. When Jesus died, it was in a time of Jubilee, because His death paid the penalty ("debt") for the sin of the world and set us free. Thus, Jesus is our Jubilee, and He did this on a 490-year cycle.But this is not the end of the story, because the throne of the Kingdom was usurped by the religious leaders (Matt. 21:38), and the King was falsely accused and crucified. Young's Literal Translation of Daniel 9:26 brings out this concept:"And after the sixty and two weeks, cut off is the Messiah, and the city and the holy place are not his. . ."In other words, the ones who cut off the Messiah usurped the city and the holy place. For this reason . . .". . . the Leader who hath come doth destroy the people; and its end is with a flood, and till the end is war; determined [decided in the divine court] are desolations."In other words, the destruction of the city of Jerusalem and the holy place (the temple) is directly linked to the fact that the Messiah was cut off. The sanhedrin falsely accused Him of a death penalty crime, and so the divine court passed similar sentence upon them, destroying the city, the temple, and the nation itself. Deut. 19:16, 19 says," (16) If a malicious witness rises up against a man to accuse him of wrongdoing. . . (19) then you shall do to him just as he had intended to do to his brother."In the past, the Church was often vindictive in their attitude toward the Jews, calling them "Christ-killers" and other names, instead of forgiving and giving the case to God for judgment. When they did not respond to such name-calling with repentance, then the Church persecuted them. This was not right, and such treatment only created fear and paranoia, breeding more hatred, which has now borne fruit in their similar treatment of the Palestinians. Fear warps the mind of otherwise good people and makes them justify much sin.However, once we recognize from Scripture that God has blinded their eyes (as a whole), we will have an easier time treating them with love and understanding. This does not mean we should justify them in their unbelief, or excuse their sin of falsely accusing Jesus and murdering Him, but yet we should recognize that all of this was part of the divine plan from the beginning, and that God has turned the greatest sin into an occasion for the greatest good--the salvation of all men.We ought to continue to work for their repentance, not merely to add Jesus to their Judaism without admitting guilt from the past. If a person is given grace without acknowledging past sin, he is likely to commit the same sin again in the future, because he does not really understand that what he did was wrong.But such repentance is the work of the Holy Spirit. One cannot force a man to repent by torture, as the Church did during the Spanish Inquisition. And, in fact, this is a prime reason why Daniel's 70 weeks has two beginning points and two ending points. The first cycle ended with the payment of the debt for the sin of the world. The second ended with the commissioning of the apostle Paul, who is a type of post-pentecostal, Spirit-filled overcomer. More on thisin the next post.Logabe

http://www.bible-reading.com/490yrs.html#wal_ahttp://endtimepilgrim.org/70wks4.htmGods time table here is based on 360 day year...... the 7 years(one week) is explained in Rev. its divided into two 3 1/2 year parts .. times times half times is 3 1/2 years = 1260 days It doesnt matter where you think you should decide to count from there are opinions upon opinions. Call it Daniels week call or whatever suits you changes nothing there is still a week and a mid week in Rev the only thing we need to be concerned with is what God says .. Time time and half time= 3 1/2 years 1260 days thats Gods timetable for his endtimes3 1/2 years marks mid week of seven years (week.) And even then time is shortened so all your calculations mean little its Gods Word we need to understandMidweek is when the abomination of desolation takes place as spoken of by DanielWhen he stands in the place he ought not (this is antichrist standing in the holy of Holies declaring himself to be God this is futureDaniel was told seal up the book til the latter days and knowledge increased.

The Seventy Weeks of Daniel mean what they say and were never meant to be translated to mean a day for a year as I have pointed out previously.

(lizz7711;50774)
Ok, i'm sorry for posting again but i have alot of questions! Why would God make a prophecy, stating there are to be "70 weeks" and then just break off after 69 weeks with no indication of how long this break is to be? Are there any other instances in the Bible where time frames are given like that and then there are arbitrary breaks in the middle? I'm leaning towards believing the 70 weeks have already happened as it makes little sense to me that the last week would be separated by 2000+ years. Also, it says in the middle of the week sacrificed would be abolished...and Jesus accomplished that. And Jesus did also in a spiritual sense fulfill "everlasting righteousness etc" by His resurrection. But as i've said, i'm new to this so please feel free to enlighten me to your view points!thanks,Liz
Re. the Biblical "70 years of Daniel".Hello Lizz.(lizz7711;50774)
Ok, i'm sorry for posting again but i have a lot of questions! Why would God make a prophecy, stating there are to be "70 weeks" and then just break off after 69 weeks with no indication of how long this break is to be?lloyd:Almighty God's Word is in the order and framework He has given it to us; for many reasons. However, the main one is to present to "people of goodwill" His love for people in Christ, and, in Christ's Sacrificial death!The one you mention here, allows us to see the Prophecies in other parts happen, and start to happen; as is now the case IMO, ie the 70th week ordering in the world's events towards the events of Revelation; and as foretold in the Prophets!Lizz: Are there any other instances in the Bible where time frames are given like that and then there are arbitrary breaks in the middle? lloyd:Yes. there are quite a few. A notable and easily understood one is Isa. 61, where Jesus states His Mission on earth, but, stops midway in the 2nd verse. That's because He will at His second Coming fulfil the 2nd verse!A good Bible for this study is the "Companion Bible", which is an extremely good one, using the KJV.Lizz:I'm leaning towards believing the 70 weeks have already happened as it makes little sense to me that the last week would be separated by 2000+ years. No, IMO not so; there is yet much to happen to complete the 70th week. Also, it says in the middle of the week sacrificed would be abolished...and Jesus accomplished that. And Jesus did also in a spiritual sense fulfill "everlasting righteousness etc" by His resurrection. But as i've said, i'm new to this so please feel free to enlighten me to your view points!thanks,Liz
lloyd:Jesus' Sacrificial death was not to stop "sacrifices" in your quoted context; but to save mankind "of goodwill"as the angel said to the shepherds at His birth. The quote you make is re the "Anti-Christ's"action halfway through the "last week" of the 70, when he will stop the sacrifices in the Jewish temple, and demand that they, the Jews, worship him, and also the rest of the world's peoples!My wife and I have produced a Website over the last few years which discusses this whole subject in detail.You may find it of interest; but please; lets discuss this subject more.I hope this helps Lizz.Regards lloydnook.

We will get back to Paul later...let's go backto the beginning.When Xerxes I died in 465, his son took the throne. Artaxerxes I reigned 41 years, dated by Persian reckoning as 464 (his first year) to 424 B.C., the 41st year of his reign. This king is important to us, because Ezra 7:7 tells us that in his seventh year (458 B.C.) he issued a decree which sent Ezra to Jerusalem. It was this decree which initiated the start of Daniel's 70-week prophecy and the countdown toward the Messiah's work.So history tells us that it was precisely 76 years from the edict, or decree, of Cyrus (534 B.C.) to the decree of Artaxerxes I (458 B.C.). It is absolutely crucial to any teacher of Bible prophecy that he know the year of the decree of Artaxerxes I. Let me stress again that these dates are fully verifiable by actual historical records, based upon precise astronomy. There is no guesswork here. These are the tools we have been given to work with. We must begin here with verifiable history and form our prophetic viewpoints with this date in mind.But before we deal with Daniel's 70 weeks, let me say a few words about the meaning of the number 76 in biblical numerology. In understanding the meaning of this number, we can get an insight into God's purpose for waiting 76 years before starting the countdown of Daniel's 70 weeks. Because prophecy teachers have not understood the reason for this 76-year delay, they have remained puzzled and have lost a valuable insight into the mind of God in this matter.Logabe

Speaking nationally, when Babylon conquered Jerusalem, the nation "died." The edict of Cyrus, in effect, brought the nation back to life again in 534 B.C. That was a momentous event, not unlike a national Resurrection. However, the law of God yet demanded a period of cleansing before they could present themselves before God in national purity. In the law, those touching a dead body had to purified and were not reckoned clean until the beginning (evening) of the eighth day (Num. 19:19). In these circumstances, the man did not need to present himself before God at the Temple to receive a formal pronouncement of cleansing.In dealing with the cleansing of the lepers, however, the law prescribed a seven-day cleansing period, and on the morning of the eighth day, the priest was to present the man before God at the door of the Tabernacle (Lev. 14:11). In other words, the man was presented before God after seven days and a half. Thus, we see that when a formal pronouncement of cleansing was needed, it was done the following morning of the eighth day.Such was the case for Jerusalem. They had been "dead" in captivity. The edict of Cyrus, as it were, raised them from the dead. This is one reason Isaiah 45:1 calls Cyrus a type of Christ ("His anointed," or Messiah). Cyrus was called to raise the dead nation to life, even as Jesus is called to raise His people from the dead. Once raised, the people in Cyrus' day could return to the land of Canaan and begin the seven-day cycle of cleansing. But when applied nationally, this law appears to deal in decades, rather than in days. So Jerusalem had to await seven and a half decades (actually 76 years) before Ezra, the Aaronic priest, was sent to pronounce them clean.Once we see how God required Judah to be cleansed according to the law, even sending a genuine Aaronic priest to pronounce the nation cleansed, we can see why Ezra's act was indeed the event that brought the nation into Blessed Time. God was fulfilling the law to the letter, and was treating the nation as though they had touched a dead body-in this case, their own bodies. The nation had been raised by Cyrus in 534 B.C., but the nation could not be presented before the priest and pronounced cleansed until 458 B.C. This is why Daniel's 70 weeks could not begin until Ezra's act.Many prophecy teachers have put forth different theories about the beginning point of Daniel's 70 weeks. Some say it began with Cyrus; others say it began with Nehemiah in 445 B.C. But once we understand the law on which the beginning point was based, it is clear that it began with Ezra in 458 B.C. Unfortunately, not many theologians today study the law of God.Logabe

Matthew 18:35,35 So likewise shall My heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.Jesus was not really talking about monetary debts, but about "trespasses," or sins. This is one of many New Testament passages where we see how sin is reckoned as a debt. The servant with the huge debt represents a great sinner. Any time someone secures a loan, the debt note is dated, so that both parties know when it comes due. Since this parable is an illustration of the principle of "seventy times seven," one might say that the debt had to be paid after 490 days.The certain king was obligated to "forgive" the debt for that specified amount of time. We call it a "grace period." The grace period is the time allotted to repay the debt. It ends with the time of reckoning the accounts and possible foreclosure. But this is also a parable showing us how the principle of Jubilee works in a very practical sense. In fact, this is a Kingdom parable, showing us how God dealt with Israel and Jerusalem. I will explain this shortly.When Peter asked if he should forgive seven times, he showed that he did not understand the Jubilee principle. There are three "rests" in the law: the 7th day, the 7th year, and the Jubilee (7 x 7 years). The seventh-day rest is the most fundamental level of rest. All servants, and even animals, were to be given a day of rest. This included those servants who were debtors.The seventh year was a land rest, when no one was allowed to sow or reap (Lev. 25:4-5), except that the poor could eat what grew of itself (Ex. 23:11). The oxen were given a rest. All Hebrew servants were sent home and given a year's vacation from servanthood (Ex. 21:2). It is like suspending the payments on a debt note for a year in order to give employees a true rest. Without that suspension of payments,the employees would be forced to continue working throughout the rest year in order to make their payments.However, the servants who had sold themselves for debt, or sinners who had been sold by the court to repay their victims, may have to return to their servanthood after the rest year. They would work six years and rest the seventh. While this "seventh-year rest" is greater than a weekly sabbath rest, it is still not the greatest rest. The greatest rest is the Jubilee, when all debts are canceled and every man returns to his inheritance. The Jubilee ends all servitude, and all men are able to begin again with a clean slate, debt free.In the first two rests, the debts are held in abeyance for either a day or a year. They are "released" temporarily, but are not forgiven fully. The Jubilee after 49 years is when all debts are permanently released.In Jesus' day, the people had been observing the weekly rest day and the seventh-year rest ever since their return from the Babylonian captivity in 534 B.C. So they understood the principle of forgiving seven times. But Peter did not carry that principle to the Jubilee level of seventy times seven (490). They had never made that principle a part of their daily lives, and so they did not understand its application on the highest level. Jesus took it not only to the level of the 49-year Jubilee cycle, but to the 490-year cycle of ten Jubilees. He did this to reveal a hidden principle of Bible prophecy that most do not comprehend today.Every student of Bible prophecy is familiar with Daniel's 70 weeks (490 years). But because few know its underlying basis in the laws of time, they do not fully comprehend the purpose of a 490-year cycle. We have already seen how this parable applies to our personal lives in the area of forgiveness. But this personal application certainly does not exhaust its significance. It is also the key to understanding how God deals with nations on a corporate level.Logabe

As I said earlier, this parable in Matthew 18 is a Kingdom parable. No doubt Jesus had Jerusalem in mind when He gave this parable, because the servant who owed 10,000 talents fits precisely with the way God dealt with Jerusalem in Jeremiah's day.Six hundred years before Christ, when the king of Babylon was getting ready to lay siege to Jerusalem, the invasion was God's way of foreclosing on their debt note. Their "grace period" had run out, and judgment was impending. In Jeremiah 34, we find that Jerusalem then prayed to God, asking for mercy, even as the debt-laden servant did in Jesus' parable. And so the Word came to Jeremiah that gave them the solution. If they would but heed this Word, God would get rid of the Babylonian armies, and the city would be spared. God would not foreclose upon Jerusalem, and He would not command that they and their households be sold into bondage. The Word was that they should declare a rest year-something that they had never done! We read in Jeremiah 34:8-10,8 This is the word that came unto Jeremiah from the Lord, after that the king Zedekiah had made a covenant with all the people which were at Jerusalem: to proclaim liberty unto them, 9 That every man should let his manservant, and every man his maidservant, being an Hebrew or a Hebrewess, go free; that none should serve himself of them, to wit, of a Jew [Judahite] his brother. 10 .then they obeyed and let them go.What a tremendous day that was! All the bondmen and bondmaids were released from their debt and servanthood! Jerusalem issued an official proclamation releasing all the servants. God was then in a position to forgive Jerusalem her debt to the law as well. God would send the Babylonians home, and the people would remain free. Unfortunately, their obedience to God was only skin deep. We read in the next verse (Jeremiah 34:11),11 But afterward they turned, and caused the servants and the handmaids, whom they had let go free, to return, and brought them into subjection for servants and for handmaids.In other words, the people of Jerusalem acted like the unforgiving servant in Jesus' parable. They had been forgiven a huge debt of sin, but they could not forgive their neighbors of their small debts. As a consequence, God's grace came to an end. No extension of grace was given to them. God canceled their Jubilee and sold them into bondage for the next 70 years. The unforgiving servant was sent to debtor's prison to pay off his 10,000 talent debt until the last farthing should be paid.In a later post, as I deal with that time of history, I will be able to show the timing of this event in Jerusalem's history and how they came to owe God 70 years. But for now, we need to focus upon the general principle of forgiveness and the Jubilee, showing how this works in our own personal lives.Logabe

You people realise dont you that the whole "day for year" interpretation is based on the failed idea that founded the Seventh Day Adventist church and led to the false prophecy that Christ was to return in the 1840's.I am amazed that this false idea has permiated the rest of the churches, even though it was proved to be in error.

(JosyWales;64494)
You people realise dont you that the whole "day for year" interpretation is based on the failed idea that founded the Seventh Day Adventist church and led to the false prophecy that Christ was to return in the 1840's.I am amazed that this false idea has permiated the rest of the churches, even though it was proved to be in error.
What do you mean, "A day for year"? Do you mean that 1 Day = 1000 human years? (Which is scriptural)Or something else?

No Jordan I believe hes refering to 1260 days being counted as years instead of days they are days not yearsif not Im sure he will correct me. counting years instead of days here is not the way God says we are to count it, We are to count it as days,thus he reaffired that by saying it three ways 1260 days =3 1/2 years =42 month (30 days)=time times and half a times... This is days not years. You are referring to Gods time which is based on 1000 years to God is but one dayto man(hebrew idiom)

(Christina;64497)
No Jordan I believe hes refering to 1260 days being counted as years instead of days if not Im sure he will correct me. counting years instead of days here is not the way God says we are to count it, We are to count it as days,thus he reaffired that by saying it three ways 1260 days =3 1/2 years =42 month (30 days)=time times and half a times... This is days not years. You are referring to Gods time which is based on 1000 years to God is but one dayto man(hebrew idiom)
1260 days = 3½ years...If we go by JosyWales interpretation.1 day = 1 year (360 days)1260 days x 360 = 453,600 days .... To be honest that is pure nonsense.

Christina is on the right track.The basis behind Logabe's interpretation is that the Seventy Weeks are not really 70 weeks but, instead, days which he then reinterprets as being years. That is to say the 70 weeks are to be turned into 490 days (correct so far) but then are to become years, thus becoming 490 years.This is derived from the failed theory of William Miller. The following is a quote from Wikipedia (please notice the reference to the "day-year principle".The Seventh-day Adventist Church is the largest of several "Adventist" groups which arose from the Millerite movement of the 1840s. The Millerite movement was part of the wave of revivalism in the United States known as the Second Great Awakening and originated with William Miller, a Baptist preacher from Low Hampton, New York. Miller predicted on the basis of Daniel 8:14 and the "day-year principle" that Jesus Christ would return to Earth on October 22, 1844. When this failed to occur, most of his followers disbanded and returned to their original churches .Also Cristiana was very astute to observe that the 3 1/2 years are indeed the 42 months of Revelations (which is what it clearly says), which is in direct conflict with the theory that Logabe is proposing.Not only that, but the Seventy week prophecy was a direct reinterpretation of the Seventy Year prophecy found in Jeremiah which the prayer of Daniel 9 was based on, indicating that the Seventy Weeks are going to be similar to the Seventy years, with the exception that the days are shortened. This was what Jesus said in Matt 24:22 and Mark 13:20 where He states: And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.Do I need to point out that turning 70 weeks into 490 years is not "shortening" them?This also indicates that Jesus Himself believed the Seventy Weeks to be a future event and not already passed or in the end of passing. Again, I will state that because of what I have previously shown you in the Bible of how the days of Revelation fit perfectly with the days of Daniel 9 adding up to exactly 2300 days, the Seventy Weeks are indeed exactly what the Bible says they are.There are many more proofs, but I am loath to go into them all at once as those reading would likely be overwhelmed by the volume. I wish to keep this as simple as possible to avoid misunderstanding. However, if something doesn't seem right or you need clarification on a particular, I am happy to attempt to clear it up.

If you are one who aspires to be a part of the remnant who will not be sold into bondage at the end of this age, you must know and practice the law of Jubilee in your own personal life. If not, you will be sold into a kind of captivity, and like Israel under Moses, you will "die in the wilderness" (Num. 26:65) without receiving the promised inheritance in the First Resurrection. You will not necessarily die physically, but you will not inherit life in the "Barley Harvest." You may inherit a land inheritance in the Kingdom, but you will not receive the "land" inheritance lost in Adam-the glorified body. Those who are not glorified at this first appointed time must await a later Resurrection at the close of the Tabernacles Age.The remnant of Overcomers is not a group of super-spiritual supermen and superwomen. It does not require great intelligence or great spirituality to become part of this group. (Please, no stones just yet!) You do not have to be a great prophet, or win thousands of souls for Christ, or perform great miracles. There is only one requirement: learn to forgive your debtors. The key is obedience to the law of Jubilee. We are told in Matthew 6:14-15, 14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.Paraphrasing this, if you practice the Jubilee principle toward others, God will do the same with you. And particularly at the end of the final 490-year grace period of the Church, when He reckons the accounts of the Church, those who cancel all debts of others will be released of all their own debts, that they may return to their true inheritance-transfiguration and immortality-in the First Resurrection. The biblical patterns of Israel's feast days indicate that the Resurrection will occur at the Feast of Trumpets of some year, even as Passover prophesied of Jesus crucifixion, and Pentecost foretold of the Spirit's coming in Acts 2.We do know that the Church Age lasted 40 Jubilees, from 33 A.D. to 1993 A.D. This is also four periods of 490 years. The Church's critical moment of visitation thus came in 1993 AD, at which time they were disqualified, and the mandate to bring forth the Kingdom was passed to the Overcomers. But we are getting far ahead of ourselves.Old Jerusalem's history is the pattern toward the New Jerusalem. Old Babylon's history is the pattern toward Mystery Babylon in our day. If you want to be part of the remnant company of Overcomers, read Jeremiah 34 and Matthew 18. That is what these passages are all about.Jerusalem was ungodly all their days. They stoned the prophets and set up idols in their hearts continually. Yet when it came to the end of their grace period, it all came down to one issue: would they release all those who had wronged them? Would they do like Jesus did on the Cross, praying, "Father, forgive them"? Would they do as did Stephen, the first martyr, who, as he was being unjustly stoned, prayed, "Lord, lay not this sin to their charge" (Acts 7:60)?In Matthew 6:12, Jesus taught us to pray, "And forgive us our debts [transgressions] as we forgive our debtors [those who transgress against us]." Those who sin against us are indebted to us, according to God's law. We are their creditors. If we retain their sins against us, they are retained; and if we release their sins, they are released (John 20:23).In other words, if we insist upon pressing charges against those who wrong us, God will back us as our attorney (Greek, paraklete, 1 John 2:1), because the law is always on the side of justice. If we decide to drop all charges and forgive the offenses of others, God will drop all charges against them as well. When Jesus and Stephen dropped all charges, these were not just empty words. They were spoken as decrees in the court of the highest heaven, and God did indeed drop all charges.As in the days of Jeremiah, we today are given an identical choice, which will determine whether we escape the sword of Babylon or not. We may either retain the debts of men by holding grudges against them, or we may declare a Jubilee over all our debtors.What a marvel that God would make it so simple that anyone could become a part of the remnant of Overcomers! Until I read Jeremiah 34 and Matthew 18, I thought I had to attain some sort of quasi-sainthood as the Church defines it-yet all my works, my education, even my faith only proved to be filthy rags. Everything I did seemed only to prove I was unfit.Logabe

Qualifying for remnant status is not a matter of works, no matter how good those works are. You will not qualify by working miracles, or by spending long hours in prayer daily, or by disciplining yourself to read the Bible for many hours a day. Miracles are good, and it is even better to pray and read the Bible. This may be the road to a better understanding of the Word, which is certainly helpful, but it is not the path to remnant status. You were not saved by disciplining the flesh; neither will you be perfected by disciplining the flesh. Galatians 3:3 says,3 Are ye so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?This is good news for all Christians except those who are proud to be called Doctors of Theology or Great Men of Faith, those who love to look down from their lofty towers of super-spirituality and thank God that they are not like other men, or those who practice strict asceticism and live austere lives to "buffet the flesh" and make it spiritual.Such men will find the law of Jubilee to be an offense, because the doors to remnant status are thus thrown open to even the lowliest of Christians. They need no degrees in theology, they need not be called Pastor or Reverend, they need not write newsletters or books, they need not be on the radio or TV preaching the gospel to the world.The remnant people will be ordinary housewives, little old grandparents, children, men living and working in the real world-people who do not have a call to go to Bible College, start ministries, or preach great sermons. They are poor people who must work for a living and simply do not have the time to read their Bibles prayerfully four hours a day.It is time we take the Kingdom out of the hands of the "Great Men of God" and bring the Kingdom down within the reach of the little people. Of such is the Kingdom of Heaven.Logabe

Logabe, I agree with the nature of your post, but I am still convenced that the Seventy Weeks are what the Bible says they are and not 490 years. I have provided Biblical basis for this.Also, you believe that some great event occured in 1993 that ended the "Church Age". Could you enlighten me as to what this event was?

(JosyWales;64504)
Christina is on the right track.The basis behind Logabe's interpretation is that the Seventy Weeks are not really 70 weeks but, instead, days which he then reinterprets as being years. That is to say the 70 weeks are to be turned into 490 days (correct so far) but then are to become years, thus becoming 490 years.This is derived from the failed theory of William Miller. The following is a quote from Wikipedia (please notice the reference to the "day-year principle".The Seventh-day Adventist Church is the largest of several "Adventist" groups which arose from the Millerite movement of the 1840s. The Millerite movement was part of the wave of revivalism in the United States known as the Second Great Awakening and originated with William Miller, a Baptist preacher from Low Hampton, New York. Miller predicted on the basis of Daniel 8:14 and the "day-year principle" that Jesus Christ would return to Earth on October 22, 1844. When this failed to occur, most of his followers disbanded and returned to their original churches .Also Cristiana was very astute to observe that the 3 1/2 years are indeed the 42 months of Revelations (which is what it clearly says), which is in direct conflict with the theory that Logabe is proposing.Not only that, but the Seventy week prophecy was a direct reinterpretation of the Seventy Year prophecy found in Jeremiah which the prayer of Daniel 9 was based on, indicating that the Seventy Weeks are going to be similar to the Seventy years, with the exception that the days are shortened. This was what Jesus said in Matt 24:22 and Mark 13:20 where He states: And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.Do I need to point out that turning 70 weeks into 490 years is not "shortening" them?This also indicates that Jesus Himself believed the Seventy Weeks to be a future event and not already passed or in the end of passing. Again, I will state that because of what I have previously shown you in the Bible of how the days of Revelation fit perfectly with the days of Daniel 9 adding up to exactly 2300 days, the Seventy Weeks are indeed exactly what the Bible says they are.There are many more proofs, but I am loath to go into them all at once as those reading would likely be overwhelmed by the volume. I wish to keep this as simple as possible to avoid misunderstanding. However, if something doesn't seem right or you need clarification on a particular, I am happy to attempt to clear it up.
Hi Josy,I'm having trouble with some of things you've stated.Why are "days" to be interpreted as "years"? The Bible gives us a clue.2 Peter 3:8 "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day".The other clue is that God told Adam "in the DAY you eat of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt surely die." Adam died in THAT DAY. Not just spritually, but physically. He did not live to a thousand years. He died before the day was up.So I ask, did God lie? No, of course not. Adam died in THAT DAY.This "day as a thousand years" interpretation is NOT soley owned by the Seventh Day Adventists. The Seventh Day Adventists were organized AFTER the Millerite group when Christ failed to return when they expected. The Protestant Reformers were using this day=thousand years interpretation long before the Seventh Day Adventists arrived. So I don't understand your point here.Are you arguing against the "day as a thousand years" interpretation or not?Jesus stated the 70 x 7 himself. 70 years x 7 = 490. He knew what he was talking about. The Prophet Daniel's prophecy. From the rebuilding of the Second Temple in troublous times to death of Christ on the Cross was 490 years. The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD was indeed a FUTURE event according to Jesus in which he instructed his disciples that all in Judea would have to flee to the mountains. "70 weeks shall be determined upon thy people." From Christ's birth to the total destruction of Jerusalem AND the Temple, was 70 years. This is the 70 week prophecy. So Jesus was pointing out TWO things, the 490 years of the prophet Daniel AND the 70 weeks from his birth to the total destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple.So yes, the 490 DOES have something to with the 70 week prophecy. Because the 70 weeks is incorporated into the 490 years.THIS is the time Jesus was referring to when he said, unless those days be shorted "no flesh would be saved".What happened shortly after Jesus died? The Jews and Israelites had to FLEE to the mountains from the Romans! The PERSECUTION of the saints! It was THOSE days that had to be shorted or NO Christian would have been left to be a testament of Jesus. Millions of Christians were martyred in the years to follow.Let's look at what Jesus said again in those verses:Mark 13:14-20 "But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.For [in] those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days."THIS is the prophecy of the coming destruction of Jerusalem and the PERSECUTION of the saints! The "abomination of desolation standing in the holy place" is when the Romans set up a statue of Jupiter in the former Holy of Holies where the Temple once stood. This makes perfect sense to me.This is NOT "latter day" prophecy, but an IMMEDIATE prophecy of the coming destruction of Jerusalem. Remember, close to 60 million, some estimate as high as 100 million Christians were martyred in the 1000 years to follow. THIS is time Jesus referred to as having to be shortened otherwise no flesh would be saved. Believe me, I fought with this for many years. Then I realized it makes perfect sense!The Bible is not complicated. It was meant to be read and understood in plain and simple language. The concepts and ideas in the Bible are quite simple. It's just that many want to make it more complicated than it needs to be.Remember, to Jesus and his disciples EVERYTHING that was to follow WAS the FUTURE to them.Even John wrote in the book of Revelation, "Rev. 1:1 (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must SHORTLY come to pass; and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John:"What does "SHORTLY come to pass" mean? It means the IMMEDIATE future.Now I'm not a Preterist. But we need to understand that MOST of Bible prophecy has ALREADY been fulfilled with exception of the FAll of Mystery Babylon, the Resurrection of the Saints, The Second Coming and Great and Final Battle of our Lord Jesus when he comes back to rule the earth!We've been in the end times for the last 2000 years.But since a "day to the Lord is as a thousand years", in God's time, it's only been a couple of days.Kim

Yes, I agree, just "ordinary people" like you and me. People are expecting these great and supernatural events to occur, but as we can see throughout history, these things did not happen except, of course, the ocassional well-time natural disaster that God used.I think we'll see some more natural disasters like Katrina on the sinful city of New Orleans. Kim