How to be shut out of the kingdom of heaven/God

Waiting on him · Jan 25, 2019

Waiting on him said:
Are these commands, or attributes??

These are the attributes of @Danube, their on their way to the kingdom!
Made perfect in sufferings.

amadeus · Jan 25, 2019

Dave L said:
My experience says you are ill informed. I've been in practically every church denomination except Catholic. And I can objectively examine the fruits of all I've seen. The Institutional Churches might have walls of doctrinal safeguards surrounding them. But in these you at least know what you are dealing with. The Evangelicals and Protestants are more spiritual and less emotional than the Pentecostals. And there is far less scandal in the mainline churches than in the Charismatic circles. But you need to spend some time traveling about before you can make this assessment.

So you are saying that what men have named the "scientific method" is the best or only way to find God's perfect will? So then why not throw out the written scriptures and forget about the lead of the Holy Spirit and use science alone to discover God's Truth? That is what I see you supporting with your words.

farouk · Jan 25, 2019

Waiting on him said:
Are these commands, or attributes??

The word sometimes used here is Beatitudes.

farouk · Jan 25, 2019

Waiting on him said:
Be he who does the will of my father that is in heaven. That’s the only step I can do.
Mark 9:23 KJV
[23] Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.

http://tbibl.es/
John 6:40 KJV
[40] And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Great verses there.

farouk · Jan 25, 2019

Dave L said:
I don't have any living relatives except one involved in a Methodist church. The ones no longer with us were Moody Bible Institute students with strong Arminian and Dispensationalist convictions.

I can't speak for the individuals mentioned, although it's not necessarily the case that all who are Dispensational are also Arminian. (Often is the case; not always; not in my case, anyway...)

farouk · Jan 25, 2019

@Dave L PS: John MacArthur comes to mind.

farouk · Jan 25, 2019

Waiting on him said:
This implies there’s three groups. Please consider you are the poor,naked,In prison. I was and am part of this group(the brethren) who are my brethren? Anyone who does the will of my father(believes on the one he sent)these aren’t literal things they lack, there spiritual they are naked(lacking the covering of The righteousness of Christ)They are hungry(Never ate of his body)in prison(Under the bondage of this world and their flesh). There needs cannot be met with monetary goods.The group on the left says I did I did I did he says I never knew you.

Interesting application of those verses...

Waiting on him · Jan 25, 2019

farouk said:
The word sometimes used here is Beatitudes.

I like the way you build.

farouk · Jan 25, 2019

Waiting on him said:
I like the way you build.

Well, it's a word sometimes used for that passage in Matthew.

Dave L · Jan 25, 2019

amadeus said:
So you are saying that what men have named the "scientific method" is the best or only way to find God's perfect will? So then why not throw out the written scriptures and forget about the lead of the Holy Spirit and use science alone to discover God's Truth? That is what I see you supporting with your words.

Jesus said you'll know them by their fruit. I've seen some real extremes in this, with examples at hand.

farouk · Jan 25, 2019

Dave L said:
Jesus said you'll know them by their fruit. I've seen some real extremes in this, with examples at hand.

"By their fruits ye shall know them" is a very good test.

Often people aren't as doctrinally attuned as they could be from the Word; and yet sooner or later they will come to the realization of what the person's fruits are.

Waiting on him · Jan 25, 2019

farouk said:
Interesting application of those verses...

Matthew 6:3 possibly?

farouk · Jan 25, 2019

Waiting on him said:
Matthew 6:3 possibly?

Yes, interesting...

amadeus · Jan 25, 2019

Dave L said:
Jesus said you'll know them by their fruit. I've seen some real extremes in this, with examples at hand.

Yes, by their fruit, but who is able to tell the good fruit from the evil fruit?

"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" Isaiah 5:20

Give God the glory!

Dave L · Jan 25, 2019

amadeus said:
Yes, by their fruit, but who is able to tell the good fruit from the evil fruit?

"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" Isaiah 5:20

Give God the glory!

Again, you need to get out and look around and call it as you see it objectively, all churches, not just one denomination or sect.

amadeus · Jan 25, 2019

Dave L said:
Again, you need to get out and look around and call it as you see it objectively, all churches, not just one denomination or sect.

Not objectively, but rather surrendered to God and led by His Spirit. The mind of man cannot find God by being objective any more than it can find Him by being subjective.

Dave L · Jan 26, 2019

amadeus said:
Not objectively, but rather surrendered to God and led by His Spirit. The mind of man cannot find God by being objective any more than it can find Him by being subjective.

We still do not see the fruit found in various churches unless we get out and examine it.

amadeus · Jan 26, 2019

Dave L said:
We still do not see the fruit found in various churches unless we get out and examine it.

Without the Holy Spirit what good would come of our examination? Without the Holy Spirit a person cannot tell what is good and what is evil. He thinks he can and will even say he can, but look at the things in this world around today that are considered OK by the powers [laws] of men. Sceince is not the answer. The logic of men is not the answer. Careful examination is not the answer.

Jesus is the answer, but not just the four letter word; J.E.S.U.S. We must believe in Him and come to know Him. We must trust Him even if we do not always understand Him.

Dave L · Jan 26, 2019

amadeus said:
Without the Holy Spirit what good would come of our examination? Without the Holy Spirit a person cannot tell what is good and what is evil. He thinks he can and will even say he can, but look at the things in this world around today that are considered OK by the powers [laws] of men. Sceince is not the answer. The logic of men is not the answer. Careful examination is not the answer.

Jesus is the answer, but not just the four letter word; J.E.S.U.S. We must believe in Him and come to know Him. We must trust Him even if we do not always understand Him.

You assume all but your sect are saved if you assume other Christians do not have the Holy Spirit. Faith is a fruit thereof which proves all believers have the Holy Spirit.

amadeus · Jan 26, 2019

Dave L said:
You assume all but your sect are saved if you assume other Christians do not have the Holy Spirit. Faith is a fruit thereof which proves all believers have the Holy Spirit.

I don't have a sect and I don't presume anything with regard to the salvation of others or the Holy Spirit in them. I simply seek first the kingdom God and His righteousness first and then pray for others. The rest is between them and God.

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