An Overview Of The Bible

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Sorry this is so long but it is as short as I could make it.AN OVERVIEW OF THE BIBLE:I thought I would like to pen what I feel, IMHO, is an overview (the big picture) of the Bible. First let me make it clear that in my understanding, the entire Bible is written "FOR US" but not all of it is written "TO US."A. THE AGE OF GOD'S MERCY:From the Garden of Eden to Abraham God dealt with mankind by showing mercy to those that would acknowledge Him and respect Him as God. It must be noted that at that time all of mankind were Gentiles.B. THE AGE OF THE NATION OF ISRAEL:After the Tower of Babel God turned His back on all of mankind except for Abrams. God started a new race of people to be His chosen (elect) race (the Jews) with Abraham (Abrams) being the first. The sign of being a Jew was circumcision. God made promises (covenants) to Abraham concerning what He would do for him and his children, in the flesh, if they would acknowledge Him and respect His ways. God made additional promises to Isaac, Jacob and Moses. All of these promises were God's way of dealing with His chosen people, the Jews. God promised the Jews that they would have a nation on this earth and that God would send a king to rule the earth through this nation called Israel. The fulfillment of these covenants with the Jewish people was what Jesus preached when He came. It is this earthly kingdom, promised to the nation of Israel, that Jesus spoke of when He said the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.Gen 12:3 (NKJ)3 I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you; and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed."God's promise(s) to Abraham: Gen 22:17-18 (NKJ)17 "blessing I will bless you, and in multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies.18 "In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice."At this time there are only two peoples in the world, Jews and Gentiles. In Gen 12:3 above we see that the Gentiles who bless the nation of Israel shall be blessed along with the nation of Israel. This is why Cornelius was given salvation in Acts 10. The writer of Acts said much about the things that Cornelius did for the Jews (blessings to the Jews).A side note: In Gen 22:17 we see the word "descendants," it is plural, not singular and it refers to Abraham's children in the flesh. In verse 18 we see the word "seed" and it is singular, not plural, and it is referring to Christ. It should also be noted that in verse 17 we see a promise God made to the descendants (plural) that they "shall possess the gates of their enemies." This has never been fulfilled. Read Isaiah 54:1-8, Ps 72 and know that these words have not been fulfilled either. But they will all be fulfilled during the 1000-year reign of Christ on this earth. ---- In Gal 3:16 we see Jesus as the SEED (one). The promise of righteousness by faith was made to Abraham AND HIS SEED (Jesus), NOT SEEDS (THE JEWS)Let me say it again, the promise of righteousness by belief (faith) was ONLY MADE TO ABRAHAM AND HIS SEED, Jesus. It was not made to all men AT THAT TIME.It should also be noted that God keeps His promises and that when Jesus comes back He will set up His kingdom just as it was promised to the Jews. --- See Matthew 25:31-46 (sheep and goat judgment) and note the reasons given for the sheep to enter into the 1000-year kingdom reign of Christ's kingdom on this earth. To say that these are children of God (believers saved under grace) is to say that that they have become saved without faith in Christ and being born of God. Therefore, this judgment is only to establish which Gentiles will go into the 1000-year reign of Christ on this earth.During the time from Abraham to Christ, God had men prophesy about a Messiah that would be sent by God to save the Jewish people, His people, and that He would rule from Jerusalem. The scriptures shown above are some of those scriptures of prophecy.C. THE AGE OF THE LAW:Starting with Moses God instituted the Jewish laws and the Jews were commanded to do them. This was the beginning of the dispensation of law and was in effect, for the Jews, until the destruction of the Jewish Temple in 70 AD. God's relationship with the nation of Israel was one of faith in God, AND doing the works of the law (faith + works, James 2:24). If you can see it, the main thing that Jesus told the Jews is that they had left out the "faith in God" part and only had faith in their religion (works) (read Luke 7:1-9 and notice verse 9 and read John 5:38-40).D. THE ARRIVAL OF THE MESSIAH:Let me make it clear that Jesus Christ did not come to minister to the Gentiles, nor was His message "the kingdom gospel" sent to the Gentiles. He did not offer the "kingdom of heaven" TO the Gentiles. The following scriptures support my view.Matt 10:5-7 (NKJ)5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.6 "But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.7 "And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'Matt 15:23-24 (NKJ)23 But He answered her not a word. And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, "Send her away, for she cries out after us."24 But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."Rom 15:8 (NKJ)8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:Note that in Matt 10:5-7 and Matt 15:23-24 Jesus said He did not come EXCEPT to the house of Israel. Jesus came to confirm/fulfill all that was written of Him in the O.T. His mission was to the Jews, not to the Gentiles. This is what Paul meant in Rom 15:8. -- This is not to say that God did not have another purpose for Jesus' death on the cross.E. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE NATION OF ISRAEL?From Acts 1 until Acts 7 (or perhaps 70 AD) the Jewish nation could have repented and accepted Jesus as their savior. He would have returned for His second coming and set up His kingdom rule from Jerusalem and all Gentile nations would be blessed through Israel. Read Luke 13:6-9 and realize that Jesus told this story as an indication of what would happen if Israel (the fig tree) rejected Jesus. The Jews had a time period in which they could have repented. (Acts 2:37-38)However, just as the nation of Israel rejected God when they said they wanted a human king to rule over them, (1 Samuel 8:19 and 10:19) they also rejected the Son of God when they said they "had no king but Caesar," (John 19:15) and, finally, they rejected the Holy Spirit when they stoned Stephens, Acts 7. They had rejected all three in the Trinity, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, who was speaking through Stephens, and their doom was sealed. The "kingdom of heaven" on this earth was put on hold until the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled, Luke 21:24.F. THE GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD AS GIVEN TO PAUL:As said above, God had a secondary purpose for the death of Jesus on the cross. From Jesus, and the preaching of the "Kingdom of Heaven," to this time in which we now live is a new dispensation and it was not mentioned in the O.T. it was not mentioned in the first 4 books of the N.T. nor was it mentioned in the Jewish writings of the 12. This new gospel was ""hidden in God"" and revealed to Paul by Jesus Christ on the road to Damascus, Acts 9:3-6 and Eph 3:8.All that was written "to the Jews" in the O.T. and the N.T. was written "to the Jews," not to the Gentiles. Is it necessary for us to understand them? YES. If we don't then we are missing the foundation for understanding the shift to the gospel of God's grace. The message of salvation by God's grace, "alone," given to Paul, was without precedence. It was not in the Jewish relationship with God. The Jewish relationship was a religious one of "faith + works to show that faith" (James 2:24). However, the gospel of God's grace requires no works whatsoever. God has done all the works that are necessary on the cross. As Paul said;Rom 4:5-6 (NKJ)5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:Only Paul penned the words "in Christ" for he understood that God places those that believe in Him "in Christ" by the operation of the Holy Spirit (new birth). Man cannot accomplish this new birth. This idea of being "in Christ" was totally new. Up to this time it was all in a religious relationship of works, rituals and ceremonies.1 Cor 6:11 (NKJ)11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and """"by the Spirit of our God.""""It should be noticed that only Paul talks about the rapture (caught up in the air /1 Thessalonians 4:17-18). It is only for those that are saved under the gospel of the grace of God. These have NOT been promised an earthly kingdom but have become Children of the living God.I have often thought, that since Israel (the Jews) rejected God and the whole world was to be saved through them, Satan must have thought he had won. But Satan did not know that there was a "hidden gospel" that had existed in God from the beginning (Ephesians 3:9). This gospel was going to save many by what God did on the cross and it had nothing to do with the nation of Israel (the Jews) or a person's ability to work for their salvation in religions. It was no longer to be by what a man can do for salvation. It is now based solely on what God has done, and will do, for mankind. It is completely based on God's power both to save, and to keep saved, a person.1 Cor 2:7-10 (NKJ)7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.9 But as it is written: "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor have entered into the heart of man the things which God has prepared for those who love Him."10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.Matt 19:25-26 (NKJ)25 When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, "Who then can be saved?"26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."God no longer deals with mankind through, good works, rituals, ceremonies and organized religions. He deals with each individual person in his, or her, heart and that is where salvation occurs. It has nothing to do with external things.G. THE OLD REPLACED BY THE NEW:2 Cor 3:6-18 (NKJ)6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the """new covenant,""" not of the letter (Law) but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?9 For if the ministry of condemnation (the Law) had glory, the ministry of righteousness (grace) exceeds much more in glory.10 For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels.11 For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.12 Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech--13 unlike Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away.14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ.15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as ""by"" the Spirit of the Lord.Heb 7:18-22 (NKJ)18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.20 And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath21 (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him: "The Lord has sworn and will not relent, 'You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek' "),22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.Heb 8:6-7 (NKJ)6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.7 For if that first covenant (Law) had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.If there was never any other gospel (covenant) than the gospel of the grace of God, as some claim, why was it necessary to replace an old covenant (gospel)? If one was "unprofitable" then it must have failed to be profitable. In order to replace the old, the old had to exist in order to be replaced.Jesus and the 12 (or 11) taught the gospel of the Abrahamic Covenant. A covenant to which the law was added (Gal 3:16-19). The law failed because of " its weakness and unprofitable-ness" It was "unprofitable" because of the weakness of men. Men could not live up to the standards of God's perfect laws. But Jesus did and He did it for us.Notice that in Acts 3:21 Peter is proclaiming things made known by the prophets since the world began. In contrast, in the book of Romans, 16:25, Paul is proclaiming things kept secret since the world began. Something made known cannot be a secret and something kept secret has not been made known. Notice that Peter proclaimed the crucifixion of Jesus as something for the Jews to repent of (Acts 2) where Paul proclaimed that he gloried in the cross of Christ (Gal 6:11-15). Clearly, Peter and Paul proclaimed two different messages.Through Paul, God ushered in a new plan of salvation that does not depend on sinful man's ability to live up to God's standards. It all depends on the fact that Jesus DID live up to God's standards. Under the gospel of the grace of God a person must trust in God's Son (John 3:16-18). By that I mean, have faith, trust, confidence, and hope in what Jesus did on the cross to pay for our sins. When that happens God places that person "in Christ." The story of the "wedding feast is an analogy of these events (Matt. 22:1-13). The wedding garments are the righteousness that God gives a person. A man was thrown out because he chose to wear his own righteousness (Romans 10:3-4).Most all "religious" people are seeking to produce good works in their lives to earn salvation. This is a never-ending battle that is filled only with frustration and defeat. Until they accept the true gospel of Jesus Christ, they will never be able to rest in His finished work on the cross and consequently will never be able to experience the liberty of new life in Christ.True liberty can come only in Christ. Only when we realize that we are SECURE in Him can we cease from our own works and rest in His work on the cross. This gives us a position of complete peace with God.Heb 3:11-12 (NKJ)11 So I swore in My wrath, 'They shall not enter My rest.' "12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of ""unbelief"" in departing from the living God;Heb 4:1-3 (NKJ)1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.***3 For we who have believed ""do enter that rest,"" as He has said: "So I swore in My wrath, they shall not enter My rest," although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.Heb 4:9-11 (NKJ)9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.Note verse 1010 For he who """"has""" entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. (unbelief = disobedience, see Heb 3:11-12 and Heb. 4:2,3)We enter His rest and cease from our own works when we believe in Him (have faith, trust, confidence, and hope in His work on the cross), and not in our own works. To be disobedient is to NOT believe in what God has done on the cross, and instead, believe that you can be saved by what you do.This is how I see it.Richard
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Wow Richard! This is fantastic. Thank you so much for posting this.
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Thank you for your reply. But it seems that there are some on this forum that think anything I write is wrong.Richard
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Actually it's not too bad---- seems mainline evangelical type doctrine that I was brought up with. But where I departed from that teaching was point E. I think Israel is alive and well today according to the bible but as Gentiles to which the gospel message has been accepted and also proclaimed to other nations in the world. This world would not have been the same without the so-called industrial nations of Britain, the Commonwealth and the United States, although sinking rapidly now as prophecy predicts (as the time of Jacob's trouble will come). If you read the bible carefully, the Genesis passages in the age of Israel that you quote were never fulfilled in the Jew. And keep in mind that Jew is a word derived from "Judah", which were basically 2 tribes (with some Levites) and not 12. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were not "Jews". The tribe of Joseph to which the birthright went to is not "Jewish". The Jew does not have the birthright, which was the promise of great nations and which is why the Jew never attained those promises and never will in this age.The "fullness of the Gentiles" to which Paul speaks about is an allusion to Genesis 48:19 to which Ephraim will become a commonwealth of nations, and it is in "this manner" that "all Israel" will be saved. In other words, the (partial) blindness of Israel would be in effect until Ephraim became a commonwealth of nations. He quoted in Romans 4 about Abraham being the heir of the world in the present (gospel age) tense. This obviously did not happen with the Jews, but he was clearly speaking about Israel.
 

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There is a lot of great information in this essay. But, there are also a number of factual errors that serve to cause the reader to draw false or erroneous conclusions.The OP states that "seed" in Genesis 22:18 is singular and somehow refers to Jesus. This is in error. The term "seed" in Scripture, when used to refer to animal or human progeny, is almost always used specifically to mean all off-spring of the parent (s) being discussed. Good examples of this fact can be found in Genesis 7:3 and Genesis 9:9. There are many, many other such examples.With respect to Abraham (Abram), a good example in reference to his "seed" can be found at Genesis 12:7. There are numerous others. All are in reference to his progeny in aggregate, and none refer specifically to Jesus Christ.The OP also states, "It should also be noted that in verse 17 we see a promise God made to the descendants (plural) that they "shall possess the gates of their enemies."This, too, is in error, at least partially. God delivered enemy city after enemy city to His people as they entered into and conquered the Promised Land. The destruction of Jericho is just one example of his delivering the "gates of their enemies" to the Israelites. There are a lot of other such examples. The real key is that when the Israelites turned to God, He was with them in all ways. And when they failed to call on Him or when they turned away from Him, they incurred His wrath.The OP states, "Gal 3:16 we see Jesus as the SEED (one). The promise of righteousness by faith was made to Abraham AND HIS SEED (Jesus), NOT SEEDS (THE JEWS) It was not made to all men AT THAT TIME.". While this verse does reference in part that Jesus is the seed of Abraham, it in no way limits the several promises made by God to Abraham only to Jesus. The OP's intent is to show that God's promise of righteousness by faith (belief) was limited only to Abraham and Jesus Christ, but that is in error. What about God's promise to Isaac? Or His promise to Jacob? God's promises in this verse were directed at Abraham and all of his seed (all of the Jews) that proved their righteousness through their faith (belief) in God. As examples that serve as proof of this scriptural fact, just look to the list of prophets, including John the Baptist. According to the OP, even Moses was denied the promise of righteousness by faith, which we know is simply not true.More proof os existing righteousness among the Israelites: Deuteronomy 6:25 — "And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the Lord our God, as he hath commanded us." Did Moses lie to the Israelites with this statement? Did God lie to them when He gave this verse to Moses? Of course not!Also: "And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee."The OP states: "Starting with Moses God instituted the Jewish laws and the Jews were commanded to do them. This was the beginning of the dispensation of law and was in effect, for the Jews, until the destruction of the Jewish Temple in 70 AD." The "Law" of the Israelites began with Abraham (circumcision), was "codified" with Moses, and is still in effect today with all traditional or orthodox Jews. It did not end with the destruction of the temple.The OP states, "The Jews had a time period in which they could have repented. (Acts 2:37-38)." This is in error. Israel ran out of "time" with the death of Jesus on the Cross and His subsequent resurrection, victorious over the grave and death. Jesus Himself was the "firstfruits" of the New Covenant between God and all mankind. Jesus died for the sins of the whole world (1st John 2:2). But as for individual Jews (not the nation of Israel), they too are offered the gift of salvation if they only believe in Jesus as the Christ of God. Thee is no time limit short of the instant of their death. Furthermore they are permitted to believe either as Christians or as Messianic Jews (as long as their faith is placed in Jesus as the Son of the living God).The OP states: "As said above, God had a secondary purpose for the death of Jesus on the cross. From Jesus, and the preaching of the "Kingdom of Heaven," to this time in which we now live is a new dispensation and it was not mentioned in the O.T. it was not mentioned in the first 4 books of the N.T. nor was it mentioned in the Jewish writings of the 12. This new gospel was ""hidden in God"" and revealed to Paul by Jesus Christ on the road to Damascus, Acts 9:3-6 and Eph 3:8." First of all, God never has "a secondary purpose" for anything. Everything is within His purpose, and nothing is secondary to Him. To say that, "From Jesus, and the preaching of the "Kingdom of Heaven," to this time in which we now live is a new dispensation and it was not mentioned in the O.T." Actually there are numerous "hints" of the inclusion of the Gentiles in God's plans. One is found in Genesis 26:4 with, "And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;"Another is, "God be merciful unto us, and bless us; and cause his face to shine upon us; Selah.That thy way may be known upon earth, thy saving health among all nations." (Psalms 67:1-2)Psalms 72:17 states, "His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun: and men shall be blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed."The OP states, "it was not mentioned in the first 4 books of the N.T. nor was it mentioned in the Jewish writings of the 12." But that is not a true statement. Besides the obvious verses such as John 3:16 that clearly state "whosoever", there are more specific verses as well. Jesus stated, "Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her." "This gospel" is a direct reference to the Gospel of Matthew that Jesus knew would one day be used to preach the wonders of His teachings. (Also see Mark 14:9)More directly is the clear prophecy from Isaiah (42:1) fulfilled by Jesus in Matthew 12:18 states: "Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles." Verse 21 follows with: "And in his name shall the Gentiles trust." This prophecy clearly demonstrates that the righteousness of God would be made known to the Gentiles through the ministry of the Messiah.There are many other examples, but these serve the purpose at hand.Rank Stranger
 

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There is a lot of great information in this essay. But, there are also a number of factual errors that serve to cause the reader to draw false or erroneous conclusions.The OP states that "seed" in Genesis 22:18 is singular and somehow refers to Jesus. This is in error. The term "seed" in Scripture, when used to refer to animal or human progeny, is almost always used specifically to mean all off-spring of the parent (s) being discussed. Good examples of this fact can be found in Genesis 7:3 and Genesis 9:9. There are many, many other such examples.With respect to Abraham (Abram), a good example in reference to his "seed" can be found at Genesis 12:7. There are numerous others. All are in reference to his progeny in aggregate, and none refer specifically to Jesus Christ.The OP also states, "It should also be noted that in verse 17 we see a promise God made to the descendants (plural) that they "shall possess the gates of their enemies."This, too, is in error, at least partially. God delivered enemy city after enemy city to His people as they entered into and conquered the Promised Land. The destruction of Jericho is just one example of his delivering the "gates of their enemies" to the Israelites. There are a lot of other such examples. The real key is that when the Israelites turned to God, He was with them in all ways. And when they failed to call on Him or when they turned away from Him, they incurred His wrath.The OP states, "Gal 3:16 we see Jesus as the SEED (one). The promise of righteousness by faith was made to Abraham AND HIS SEED (Jesus), NOT SEEDS (THE JEWS) It was not made to all men AT THAT TIME.". While this verse does reference in part that Jesus is the seed of Abraham, it in no way limits the several promises made by God to Abraham only to Jesus. The OP's intent is to show that God's promise of righteousness by faith (belief) was limited only to Abraham and Jesus Christ, but that is in error. What about God's promise to Isaac? Or His promise to Jacob? God's promises in this verse were directed at Abraham and all of his seed (all of the Jews) that proved their righteousness through their faith (belief) in God. As examples that serve as proof of this scriptural fact, just look to the list of prophets, including John the Baptist. According to the OP, even Moses was denied the promise of righteousness by faith, which we know is simply not true.More proof os existing righteousness among the Israelites: Deuteronomy 6:25 — "And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the Lord our God, as he hath commanded us." Did Moses lie to the Israelites with this statement? Did God lie to them when He gave this verse to Moses? Of course not!Also: "And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee."The OP states: "Starting with Moses God instituted the Jewish laws and the Jews were commanded to do them. This was the beginning of the dispensation of law and was in effect, for the Jews, until the destruction of the Jewish Temple in 70 AD." The "Law" of the Israelites began with Abraham (circumcision), was "codified" with Moses, and is still in effect today with all traditional or orthodox Jews. It did not end with the destruction of the temple.The OP states, "The Jews had a time period in which they could have repented. (Acts 2:37-38)." This is in error. Israel ran out of "time" with the death of Jesus on the Cross and His subsequent resurrection, victorious over the grave and death. Jesus Himself was the "firstfruits" of the New Covenant between God and all mankind. Jesus died for the sins of the whole world (1st John 2:2). But as for individual Jews (not the nation of Israel), they too are offered the gift of salvation if they only believe in Jesus as the Christ of God. Thee is no time limit short of the instant of their death. Furthermore they are permitted to believe either as Christians or as Messianic Jews (as long as their faith is placed in Jesus as the Son of the living God).The OP states: "As said above, God had a secondary purpose for the death of Jesus on the cross. From Jesus, and the preaching of the "Kingdom of Heaven," to this time in which we now live is a new dispensation and it was not mentioned in the O.T. it was not mentioned in the first 4 books of the N.T. nor was it mentioned in the Jewish writings of the 12. This new gospel was ""hidden in God"" and revealed to Paul by Jesus Christ on the road to Damascus, Acts 9:3-6 and Eph 3:8." First of all, God never has "a secondary purpose" for anything. Everything is within His purpose, and nothing is secondary to Him. To say that, "From Jesus, and the preaching of the "Kingdom of Heaven," to this time in which we now live is a new dispensation and it was not mentioned in the O.T." Actually there are numerous "hints" of the inclusion of the Gentiles in God's plans. One is found in Genesis 26:4 with, "And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;"Another is, "God be merciful unto us, and bless us; and cause his face to shine upon us; Selah.That thy way may be known upon earth, thy saving health among all nations." (Psalms 67:1-2)Psalms 72:17 states, "His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun: and men shall be blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed."The OP states, "it was not mentioned in the first 4 books of the N.T. nor was it mentioned in the Jewish writings of the 12." But that is not a true statement. Besides the obvious verses such as John 3:16 that clearly state "whosoever", there are more specific verses as well. Jesus stated, "Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her." "This gospel" is a direct reference to the Gospel of Matthew that Jesus knew would one day be used to preach the wonders of His teachings. (Also see Mark 14:9)More directly is the clear prophecy from Isaiah (42:1) fulfilled by Jesus in Matthew 12:18 states: "Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles." Verse 21 follows with: "And in his name shall the Gentiles trust." This prophecy clearly demonstrates that the righteousness of God would be made known to the Gentiles through the ministry of the Messiah.There are many other examples, but these serve the purpose at hand.Rank Stranger
Why couldn't you just say that "you believe something else" and must say that what I believe is in error? Does it build up your ego? I am willing to let the readers judge for themselves.However, you said: "The OP states that "seed" in Genesis 22:18 is singular and somehow refers to Jesus. This is in error. The term "seed" in Scripture, when used to refer to animal or human progeny, is almost always used specifically to mean all off-spring of the parent (s) being discussed. Good examples of this fact can be found in Genesis 7:3 and Genesis 9:9. There are many, many other such examples.In my OP I referenced what Paul said in Gal 3:16 "we see Jesus as the SEED (one). The promise of righteousness by faith was made to Abraham AND HIS SEED (Jesus), NOT SEEDS (THE JEWS)Let me say it again, the promise of righteousness by belief (faith) was ONLY MADE TO ABRAHAM AND HIS SEED, Jesus. It was not made to all men AT THAT TIME.Paul said in Gal 3:15-1815 Brethren, I speak in the manner of men: Though it is only a man's covenant, yet if it is confirmed, no one annuls or adds to it.16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, "And to seeds," as of many, but as of one, "And to your Seed," who is Christ.17 And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect.18 For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise. The above is a direct copy from the NKJV BibleThank you for pointing out that Paul was wrong.You should also realize that a Gentile could always obtain salvation through the Jews by becoming proselytes which I believe your scriptures are all about. The message was that the Gentiles would be blessed through the Jews. --- But that is not true for today. Everyone comes to the cross on an equal basis. It is no longer to the Jews first and the Gentiles through the Jews.Richard
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Ego? No, not at all. I cringe when I see obvious scriptural mistakes that can cause severe spiritual damage to those who do not know and cling to the truth of God's word. The OP posted a lengthy essay that contained serious errors. Should I remain silent? Is silence on the part of Christians one of the primary causes for mistakes and the heresy that always results? Is it not heresy that today forms the most serious obsticle separating various "Christian" groups and denominations, not to mention individuals who claim to be Christians but who follow diametrically opposing dogma? Rank Stranger
 

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Ego? No, not at all. I cringe when I see obvious scriptural mistakes that can cause severe spiritual damage to those who do not know and cling to the truth of God's word. The OP posted a lengthy essay that contained serious errors. Should I remain silent? Is silence on the part of Christians one of the primary causes for mistakes and the heresy that always results? Is it not heresy that today forms the most serious obsticle separating various "Christian" groups and denominations, not to mention individuals who claim to be Christians but who follow diametrically opposing dogma? Rank Stranger
So what you are saying is that my writing is going to lead away from Jesus and your writing will; not do that because you are closer to God in truth than I am. Yes, that takes a lot of ego. You have elevated yourself as the judge of what is truth and that certainly takes a lot of ego.You asked a question; "Is silence on the part of Christians one of the primary causes for mistakes and the heresy that always results?"My writing is my attempting to let others know what I see in the scriptures and as you can see I am not silent. But since you don't see what I see you wish to silence what I said. Men of religious, down through the ages, have attempted to silence others with different beliefs. Some even commited murder against those that had a different opinion than they did.IN YOUR OPINION what I wrote is wrong but I don't share your opinion and there are many others that do not share your opinion.Funny, you didn't say anything about your claim that Paul was wrong about the seed (singular) being Jesus Christ. I suppose you think you are right about it.You said: "The OP states, "The Jews had a time period in which they could have repented. (Acts 2:37-38)." This is in error. Israel ran out of "time" with the death of Jesus on the Cross and His subsequent resurrection, victorious over the grave and death. Jesus Himself was the "firstfruits" of the New Covenant between God and all mankind. Jesus died for the sins of the whole world (1st John 2:2). But as for individual Jews (not the nation of Israel), they too are offered the gift of salvation if they only believe in Jesus as the Christ of God. Thee is no time limit short of the instant of their death. Furthermore they are permitted to believe either as Christians or as Messianic Jews (as long as their faith is placed in Jesus as the Son of the living God)."That is your opinion but the scriptures state otherwise. Luke 13:6-96 He also spoke this parable: "A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none.7 Then he said to the keeper of his vineyard, 'Look, for three years I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree and find none. Cut it down; why does it use up the ground?'8 But he answered and said to him, 'Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and fertilize it.9 And if it bears fruit, well. But if not, after that you can cut it down.'" NKJVThe certain man is Jesus.The fig tree is IsraelThe keeper of the fig tree are the ApostlesThe three years are the years of Jesus' ministryThe Jews in Isreal had a period of time after the death of Jesus in which to repent of killing their Messiah. Peter said as much on the day of Pentacost. That period of time was between Jesus' death and the day God had the Temple destroyed, about 40 years. --- If that is not what the parable is about then, using your superior knowledge, you explain it. --- Better yet, why don't you write your overview of the Bible. Surely with your superior knowledge it shouldn't be to hard.Richard
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Gentleman, please ..... we are ordered by God to get along:"Finally, all of you be of one mind, having compassion for one another; love as brothers, be tenderhearted, be courteous; not returning evil for evil or reviling for reviling, but on the contrary blessing, knowing that you were called to this, that you may inherit a blessing." (1 Peter 3:8-9)Let us not hassle over meanings or words, for this is advised against by God also: "Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers." (2 Timothy 2:14)So now let us apologize to one another and continue in the seeking of God's knowledge in order and decency, keeping in mind those who may venture into this thread."For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake." (2 Corinthians 4:5)Amen.
 

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It is a fact that some wish to be religious policemen on the forums. They think that they know the truth in the scriptures, feel that others do not, and that people on the forums are so stupid they must be protected from those that do not believe as they do. When they enter into a discussion it is not to "share" what they believe but to "impose" what they believe on others or to destroy what another believes. This is a very serious attitude problem.I see this as the same attitude problem that made the Pharisees charge (accuse) Jesus of being wrong and wanting to have Him killed. It is the same attitude problem that made the Pharisees charge (accuse) Paul of being wrong and wanting to kill him. It is the same attitude problem that made the Pharisees charge (accuse) Stephen of being wrong and wanting to kill him. It is the same attitude problem that made the RCC charge (accuse) others of heresy and have them burned at the stake. It is the same attitude problem that made Calvin have those of the RCC burned at the stake. It is the same attitude problem that made the religious people in Salem hang those they thought were witches. It is the same attitude problem that causes Muslims to kill others.This is the truth and I do not need to apologize for saying it. If the shoe fit, wear it.Richard
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