God's Character Defined By A Three Letter Word

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CoreIssue

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Where did you come up with this BIZARRE DOCTRINE? Sounds like you have been communicating with Gnostics.

From the Bible.

Father means one who created Christ's Body. The Holy Spirit the one who put it in Mary,The second person of the Trinity the one the Holy Spirit put in that body.

The only son of God in the Old Testament is Adam.

The Word was with God and is God. The word was not Jesus Christ before the incarnation. He became Jesus Christ by indwelling created human flesh.
 
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From the Bible.

Father means one who created Christ's Body. The Holy Spirit the one who put it in Mary,The second person of the Trinity the one the Holy Spirit put in that body.

The only son of God in the Old Testament is Adam.

The Word was with God and is God. The word was not Jesus Christ before the incarnation. He became Jesus Christ by indwelling created human flesh.
Pr 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?
 

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I agree with your use of the word 'bizarre' there.

"..thought it not robbery to be equal with God..." (Philippians 2.6)

"...I and my Father are one..." (John 10.30)

Said after the incarnation, not before.

Flesh is not God now, then or before.
Pr 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?

God.
 
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@CoreIssue 's view is understandable when one gives consideration to the error so often promulgated within Christian circles that our spirit is somehow a different person than our flesh. That we have two different people vying for the supremacy so to speak. All based on the misconception that the spirit is naturally immortal...therefore cannot die and must go somewhere other than the grave. His view that the second person of the 'trinity' is a different person still sitting in heaven while Jesus was on earth doing His thing and dying...same is the belief that as soon as we die, we don't really die. Our 'spirit'. or soul, or whatever flies away into another address (there's much difference of opinion on that address (hell, hades, and various departments within that place such as paradise/Abrahams bosom/etc etc). CoreIssue has simply taken that error to its logical conclusion only applied it in reverse to the Godhead.
 

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@CoreIssue 's view is understandable when one gives consideration to the error so often promulgated within Christian circles that our spirit is somehow a different person than our flesh. That we have two different people vying for the supremacy so to speak. All based on the misconception that the spirit is naturally immortal...therefore cannot die and must go somewhere other than the grave. His view that the second person of the 'trinity' is a different person still sitting in heaven while Jesus was on earth doing His thing and dying...same is the belief that as soon as we die, we don't really die. Our 'spirit'. or soul, or whatever flies away into another address (there's much difference of opinion on that address (hell, hades, and various departments within that place such as paradise/Abrahams bosom/etc etc). CoreIssue has simply taken that error to its logical conclusion only applied it in reverse to the Godhead.

Our flesh is not a person. It is a container in which our spirits dwell and that is what makes us us.

It's not two different people, it is two different natures. And the Bible makes it clear our flesh natures are at war with our sin nature's.

Our spirit is immortal. You cannot show anywhere in the Bible it says differently.

Stop lying. I never said the second person of the Trinity was on the throne in heaven while Jesus was on the earth.

Your SDA beliefs are definitely parallel to Jehovah witness beliefs.

Just like you, when convenient, say we have to obey the Old Testament law on the seventh day mean the Sabbath when you're honest. But when in the corner you say we do not have to.

Go ahead and quote your prophetess Ellen White to try to prove your case. Toss in your false sanctuary investigation while you're at it.
 
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Our flesh is not a person. It is a container in which our spirits dwell and that is what makes us us.
Sounds like Plato.
I never said the second person of the Trinity was on the throne in heaven while Jesus was on the earth
So where was the second person of the Godhead while Jesus was walking this earth?
Our spirit is immortal. You cannot show anywhere in the Bible it says differently.
The wages of sin is death.....when Adam sinned what actually sinned...the whole person or just his flesh? Show me where there is a suggestion that a part of Adam, his spirit, didn't sin and therefore is not subject to death.
Your SDA beliefs are definitely parallel to Jehovah witness beliefs.
Careful now, you may expose your ignorance. Adventists are fully committed to the deity and/or divinity of the Son of God. It seems to me that whatever Jesus was, to you He wasn't divinity. Now that is more like JW belief that ours. Jesus confessed to being the only begotten Son of God. Peter said the same thing, and Jesus commended him for it. John, throughout his gospel, and in his first two letters, repeatedly said the same thing, in fact, it he repeated it because it was his intention to prove it. This was not in regard to Christ's incarnation...it was in regard to His pre-incarnation life when in glory with His Father...John doesn't even mention Bethlehem in the gospel.

Just like you, when convenient, say we have to obey the Old Testament law on the seventh day mean the Sabbath when you're honest. But when in the corner you say we do not have to.
Man is obliged to obey God. Period. After all, God is God. What we all have to figure out is what commandments do we have to obey? I believe all of them. You believe only 9. That is your choice. I think you are wrong, because there is no where in scripture where God has spoken and removed His sacred blessing from upon the Sabbath...your quote from Colossians doesn't speak of the sacredness of the weekly Sabbath...it merely speaks of the shadows of the feast day Sabbaths...the weekly Sabbath is not a shadow as it was established before the need of shadows or remedies for sin. It isn't all that complicated, and it most assuredly is not within a bull's roar of Jehovah Witness beliefs.
 

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Sounds like Plato.

So where was the second person of the Godhead while Jesus was walking this earth?

The wages of sin is death.....when Adam sinned what actually sinned...the whole person or just his flesh? Show me where there is a suggestion that a part of Adam, his spirit, didn't sin and therefore is not subject to death.
I've stated more than once location the second person of the Trinity. You are not paying attention.

We are born 100% sinful but innocent.

When we become accountable the innocence is lost.

When we repent our spirits are baptized by the Holy Spirit and cleanse the sin nature. But our flesh remains sinful and will do so until glorification after death or the resurrection.

As far as 7th day Sabbath keeping goes verses have been posted more than once to refute you. You reject them.
 

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The second person of the Trinity is the second person of the Trinity. In the Old Testament he also appeared as the angel of God, but never as Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ, the flesh is not God. It is the flesh that the second person of the Trinity took up residence in. The flesh that died on the cross when when the second person of the Trinity could not. Who lived like a man when the second person of the Trinity could not.

Just like your spirit lives in your flesh and will go to heaven if your flesh dies before the rapture.

Jesus Christ is not part of the Trinity nor equal with the father and Holy Spirit. But his spirit, the second person of the Trinity is.
Jesus didn't say, "Before Abraham was, the Second Person of the Trinity am."
He said, "Before Abraham was, I AM."
 
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What the Bible says about God's character -
Just
- Romans 3:26
True - John 3:33
Pure - 1 John 3:3
Light - 1 John 1:5
Faithful - 1 Corinthians 1:9
Good - Nahum 1:7
Spiritual - 1 Corinthians 10:1-4
Holy - Isaiah 6:3
Truth - John 14:6
Life - John 14:6
Righteousness - Jeremiah 23:6
Perfect - Matthew 5:48
Eternal - Hebrews 13:8

(What else is said of these very same things? His law -)

Just - Romans 7:2
True - Nehemiah 9:13
Pure - Psalms 19:7-8
Light - Proverbs 6:23
Faithful - Psalms 119:86
Good - Romans 12:7;12:16
Spiritual - Romans 7:14
Holy - Exodus 20:8; Romans 7:12
Truth - Psalms 119:142;151
Life - John 12:50; Matthew 19:17
Righteousness - Psalms 119:172
Perfect - Psalms 19:7; James 1:26
Eternal - Psalms 111:8; Luke 16:17

Therefore, why is it that so many who claim to love God hate His law so much?
Because their professed love for God is actually HATE for Him. If they truly loved Him, they would love also His law - because His law is a transcript of His character, as the Bible testifies. To God be the glory!


I think the Scriptures saying God is Love explains The True Gods character very well. Gods law is based on love.
 

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I think the Scriptures saying God is Love explains The True Gods character very well. Gods law is based on love.
Yes, love for God (first four commandments) and love for neighbor (last six commandments). The reason people fight the law is not because of the Ten Commandments, it's because of the Fourth Commandment they know they're breaking every week and have no intention of ever keeping it. They'll never agree that the Christian is at liberty to worship Satan, blaspheme God, worship idols, dishonor parents, kill, steal, lie, etc., but when it comes to the seventh day Sabbath, well, that one is refused and God better dang well be happy with it.
 

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Yes, love for God (first four commandments) and love for neighbor (last six commandments). The reason people fight the law is not because of the Ten Commandments, it's because of the Fourth Commandment they know they're breaking every week and have no intention of ever keeping it. They'll never agree that the Christian is at liberty to worship Satan, blaspheme God, worship idols, dishonor parents, kill, steal, lie, etc., but when it comes to the seventh day Sabbath, well, that one is refused and God better dang well be happy with it.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say so correct me if I'm wrong in what i say here. It seems that you are saying that because people don't observe the Sabbath that you think people are so wrong in their worship of The True God. If this is the case then aren't you trying to get people to go back and observe the old covenant laws which included the Sabbath, like observing these laws are going to save you? Observing laws including the Sabbath day law isn't going to save you. Instead of having one day out of the week to be a Sabbath we should treat every day as a Sabbath. Plus the the Sabbath day Law like the rest of the old covenant was not a universal covenant. What I mean by that is that when The True God made that covenant he made with those people he brought out of Egypt led them to the Holy mountain where these people had gathered. God made The Law Covenant with these people who had gathered at this Mountain. He didn't make the Law Covenant with these people gathered at this Mountain and the rest of the existing world back then. The Law Covenant was binding on Israel alone, not on Israel and all the Gentile nations.
 
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say so correct me if I'm wrong in what i say here. It seems that you are saying that because people don't observe the Sabbath that you think people are so wrong in their worship of The True God. If this is the case then aren't you trying to get people to go back and observe the old covenant laws which included the Sabbath, like observing these laws are going to save you? Observing laws including the Sabbath day law isn't going to save you. Instead of having one day out of the week to be a Sabbath we should treat every day as a Sabbath.

It seems that you are saying that because people observe the Sabbath you think that they are, so doing, wrong in their worship of The True God. So who’s the kettle here to blame the pot?

If this is the case, that you are saying that because people observe the Sabbath you think that they are, so doing, wrong in their worship of the True God, then you are trying to get people to go back to not observe what you call “‘the old covenant laws which included the Sabbath’”, right? Supposing that they are observing these laws like they are going to save them? Right?

Then who are you to judge these people as were they observing these laws like they are going to be saved by them? You don’t think that so judging them, you are wrong in your worship, are you? Is judging people who believe they are trying to worship the True God by observing his Law which they believe includes the Sabbath, your worship of the True God?

Are you telling these people that observing laws including the Sabbath day law isn't going to save them? Do you believe they don’t know it and believe it too? Or are you again judging them that that is what they believe, that to observe laws including the Sabbath day law, is going to save them?

Who made you the judge of any?

Who made you the law to declare, “‘Instead of having one day out of the week to be a Sabbath we should treat every day as a Sabbath.’”

Are you, the True God?
 

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It seems that you are saying that because people observe the Sabbath you think that they are, so doing, wrong in their worship of The True God. So who’s the kettle here to blame the pot?

If this is the case, that you are saying that because people observe the Sabbath you think that they are, so doing, wrong in their worship of the True God, then you are trying to get people to go back to not observe what you call “‘the old covenant laws which included the Sabbath’”, right? Supposing that they are observing these laws like they are going to save them? Right?

Then who are you to judge these people as were they observing these laws like they are going to be saved by them? You don’t think that so judging them, you are wrong in your worship, are you? Is judging people who believe they are trying to worship the True God by observing his Law which they believe includes the Sabbath, your worship of the True God?

Are you telling these people that observing laws including the Sabbath day law isn't going to save them? Do you believe they don’t know it and believe it too? Or are you again judging them that that is what they believe, that to observe laws including the Sabbath day law, is going to save them?

Who made you the judge of any?

Who made you the law to declare, “‘Instead of having one day out of the week to be a Sabbath we should treat every day as a Sabbath.’”

Are you, the True God?

All i was saying, IF you are living by the law as though that will save you then you are wrong, because the observance of any law including the sabbath day Law can't save you. If the observance of any law could save us then Jesus would not had to die for us. This is not my reasoning this is what scriptures tell us. If anyone wants to ignore what the scriptures say, IF they are living by the law to save them that is, that is their right, but is it the right thing to do. Do you honestly think that way is better than The TRUE GOD way. Remember you brought up the Sabbath as though the rest of us were wrong.
 

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I'm not sure what you're trying to say so correct me if I'm wrong in what i say here. It seems that you are saying that because people don't observe the Sabbath that you think people are so wrong in their worship of The True God. If this is the case then aren't you trying to get people to go back and observe the old covenant laws which included the Sabbath, like observing these laws are going to save you? Observing laws including the Sabbath day law isn't going to save you. Instead of having one day out of the week to be a Sabbath we should treat every day as a Sabbath. Plus the the Sabbath day Law like the rest of the old covenant was not a universal covenant. What I mean by that is that when The True God made that covenant he made with those people he brought out of Egypt led them to the Holy mountain where these people had gathered. God made The Law Covenant with these people who had gathered at this Mountain. He didn't make the Law Covenant with these people gathered at this Mountain and the rest of the existing world back then. The Law Covenant was binding on Israel alone, not on Israel and all the Gentile nations.
It seems that you believe the popular notion that "the Ten Commandment Law is the Old Covenant, therefore we can ignore that Law since the Old Covenant is nailed to the Cross". If that is true, then the words "Law" and "Old Covenant" can be used interchangeably, since they mean the exact same thing, right? Let's try it:

"Do we make void the Law Old Covenant through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the Law Old Covenant." Romans 3:31

The confusion you are now experiencing is called "Cognitive Dissonance", which is a state of mind where someone suddenly finds that they hold as true two opposing views that contradict each other. At the moment you believe (1) the Law is the Old Covenant, and (2) the Law cannot possibly be the Old Covenant - Christians don't go around establishing any Old Covenant.

This uncomfortable state of mind often produces a growing level of anxiety, apprehension, stress, etc. until the brain resorts to a popular tactic in order to restore peace of mind: kick out the new view and keep believing the old view - but the truth has to be sacrificed to achieve this.

But, there are always those who sincerely seek truth who deal with their Cognitive Dissonance by further investigation of the two ideas until it is reveals which of the two is truth and which is false. In this case, the Ten Commandments are NOT the Old Covenant. "Covenant" simply means "agreement". God agreed to bless the people if the people agreed to keep the Law. Therefore, "blessings" and "keeping the Law" are NOT the Old Covenant, they are merely components of the Old Covenant. When the Old Covenant was abolished due to the faulty promises of the people, God set up the New Covenant, which still contains blessings and keeping the Law, but the difference is that God promised to bless us if we keep the Law and He also promises to come into our hearts and keep His own Law for us and then give us credit for His righteousness (Hebrews 8:8-10). Plain and simple. "If ye love Me, keep My commandments...he that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a LIAR and the truth (Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life) is not in Him."
 
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which still contains blessings and keeping the Law
no it does not

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Gal 3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
Gal 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

i guess His work is not enough for so many
 

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no it does not

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Gal 3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
Gal 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

i guess His work is not enough for so many
"For this is the (New) Covenant I will make...I will write My laws in their minds and on their hearts."

Laws exist for us to obey - especially if they're written on our heart - not to disregard as you suggest.
 

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"For this is the (New) Covenant I will make...I will write My laws in their minds and on their hearts."

Laws exist for us to obey - especially if they're written on our heart - not to disregard as you suggest.
And who was the new covenant for " the Jews", do you want to see what the law does, filled with murderers , thieves and the courts filled with adulteres, and our salvation is by faith in Christ, love doesnt need the law sinners do, prison is filled with them
 

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All i was saying, IF you are living by the law as though that will save you then you are wrong, because the observance of any law including the sabbath day Law can't save you. If the observance of any law could save us then Jesus would not had to die for us.

No Christian, Sunday or Sabbath going to churcher ever questioned this principle. But both parties always misapply it as a condemnation and or insult hurled at each other. And that was the way you used it in your post I reacted to.
 

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And who was the new covenant for " the Jews", do you want to see what the law does, filled with murderers , thieves and the courts filled with adulteres, and our salvation is by faith in Christ, love doesnt need the law sinners do, prison is filled with them

and I am sick of all the lawless love stories' faked statistics
 

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And who was the new covenant for " the Jews", do you want to see what the law does, filled with murderers , thieves and the courts filled with adulteres, and our salvation is by faith in Christ, love doesnt need the law sinners do, prison is filled with them
And this is one answer solid falsehood and hate
Had you indemnity you’d have all Sabbathdayers killed with love that doesn’t need the law.
 
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