The book of Acts repeatedly records that the followers of Christ, after Calvary, worshiped publicly on Sabbath even in Gentile lands (see Acts 13:5, 14, 42; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; 19:8, etc. - at the end of this article), while it mentions the first day of the week only once.“Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight” (Acts 20:7). Many believe that because this verse talks about “breaking bread,” it is referring to a worship service and the celebration of the Lord’s Supper on the new Christian Sabbath, Sunday, the Lord’s Day.Is this true?First, of the fifteen times that the phrase to break bread appears in the New Testament (in various verbal conjugations), refers to the Lord’s Supper only twice. The majority of references deal merely with eating. Acts 2:46, for example, talks about the followers of Christ “continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart” (emphasis supplied). Breaking bread” here doesn’t mean the Lord’s Supper; it simply means eating meals.Also, Acts 20 suggests that Paul is breaking bread alone:"When he had come up, had broken bread and eaten . . . he departed” (verse 11). The verbs are singular, so Paul is obviously not participating in a communion service, and nothing in the whole section ever mentions wine.But the text does indicate a Sunday worship service in the early Christian church, doesn’t it?If Luke used the Jewish (sundown to sundown) reckoning of days, this evening assembly on the first day of the week would actually have been on Saturday night (Paul talked “even till daybreak” [verse 111). The New English Bible even translates the) phrase as “Saturday night” (verse 7).Even if Paul used Roman (midnight to midnight) reckoning, so that this meeting took place on Sunday night, it hardly sounds like a weekly worship service. The context suggests that this was a special all-night meeting because Paul was to depart in the morning. As historian Augustus Neander wrote, “the impending departure of the apostle, may have united the little Church in a brotherly parting-meal, on the occasion of which the apostle delivered his last address, although there was no particular celebration of a Sunday in the case.” And finally, nothing in this verse even hints that the first day has either replaced or superseded Sabbath.In all the rest of the New Testament, the first day of the week appears only once, when Paul wrote to the Corinthians about a relief offering for poor church members in Jerusalem and Judea. “On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come” (1 Corinthians 16:2). Does this verse prove Sunday sacredness?As with every other New Testament reference to the first day, this verse says nothing about the first day being sacred or holy. It isn’t talking about a public worship service in which offerings are brought. It isn’t even talking about worship. Rather, Paul admonishes each believer to “lay something aside, storing [it] up,” probably in their own homes.As F. W. Grosheide comments: “Paul trusts the Corinthians: he does not ask them to hand in their collection on a weekly basis, they are allowed to keep the collected money and thus little by [little a significant amount will be saved up.” Much speculation has gone into why Paul specified the first day of the week as the time for figuring and setting aside one’s offering. Some have suggested that the first day of the week was pay day, or perhaps they were to reckon this offering as the secular week began before the demands of secular life could absorb the week’s earnings.” Whatever the reason, the verse says nothing about Sunday being a sacred day of worship.But what about Revelation 1:10, where John wrote, “I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day”’? Doesn’t that prove Sunday worship in the early churchHow could it? No New Testament reference to the first day ever gives Sunday a sacred character or ever calls it the Lord’s day. Just because Sunday has been called the Lord’s Day for years doesn’t make it the Lord’s Day, any more than the fact that people believed for centuries that the earth was the center of the universe makes it so. We shouldn’t read back into this phrase the meaning of Sunday. Instead, we should use the Bible to read into the phrase its biblical meaning, and nothing in Scripture ever calls the first day of the week the Lord’s Day.Another point—John’s Gospel is usually dated later than Revelation. Why would John in his Gospel call Sunday merely the first day of the week,” if, in an earlier book, Revelation, he had already referred to it as the Lord’s Day?Scripture actually points to the seventh-day Sabbath as “the Lord’s Day.” In the Ten Commandments the seventh day is called “ ‘the Sabbath of the Lord your God’” (Exodus 20:10, emphasis supplied). In Isaiah, the Lord calls it” ‘My holy day’” Isaiah 58:13). In three Gospels, Jesus calls Himself “ ‘Lord even of the Sabbath’ “(see Matthew 12:8; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5). Jesus is, therefore, the Lord of the Sabbath day. It is His, the Lord Jesus’, day.Or simply, the Lord’s Day.Now let the following scriptures that clearly and undisputedly reveal the habit, practice and lifestyle of Paul and the early church concerning what day they had church; Acts 13:14But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down. Acts 13:37For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him. Acts 13:42And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. Acts 13:44And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. Acts 14:1And it came to pass in Iconium, that they went both together into the synagogue of the Jews, and so spake, that a great multitude both of the Jews and also of the Greeks believed. Acts 15:21For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day. Acts 16:13And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither. Acts 17:2And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, Acts 17:17Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him. Acts 18:4And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. Acts 19:18And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
What does the book of Acts reveal about the Sabbath Day?
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Wasn't Paul speaking to the Jews that still worshipped on the Sabbath day?
Good question... however I am addressing the entire book of acts and not anyone part. But in acts there are parts where Paul was talking to only Jews and others only Gentiles and in most cases both Jew and Gentile. Also keep in mind that the Gentile where allowed by the Jew to worship in the outer courts of the temple. So in other Jewish temples I am sure there would have been a place for them also.See Acts 17:17, here is seems to suggest that he met with no only Jews in the market place but gentiles as well.
Wasn't Paul speaking to the Jews that still worshipped on the Sabbath day?
Good question... however I am addressing the entire book of acts and not anyone part. But in acts there are parts where Paul was talking to only Jews and others only Gentiles and in most cases both Jew and Gentile. Also keep in mind that the Gentile where allowed by the Jew to worship in the outer courts of the temple. So in other Jewish temples I am sure there would have been a place for them also.See Acts 17:17, here is seems to suggest that he met with no only Jews in the market place but gentiles as well.
Maybe He was going to where they were..where they could be reached. These Jews and Gentiles must have been unbelievers in Christ. They did not meet with the other believers. They still met on the Sabbath. I really never studied this Sabbath Day out...Maybe someone else can help.
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Good question... however I am addressing the entire book of acts and not anyone part. But in acts there are parts where Paul was talking to only Jews and others only Gentiles and in most cases both Jew and Gentile. Also keep in mind that the Gentile where allowed by the Jew to worship in the outer courts of the temple. So in other Jewish temples I am sure there would have been a place for them also.See Acts 17:17, here is seems to suggest that he met with no only Jews in the market place but gentiles as well.
I am in aggreement with you on these issues. Where do you think the Gentiles and Jewish believers went to worship at this time period? I dont think the believers in Jesus were welcome at the temples. Where did they worship and what day did they worship on.Paul never seemed to speak of the importance of the sabbath after the cross.
Good question... however I am addressing the entire book of acts and not anyone part. But in acts there are parts where Paul was talking to only Jews and others only Gentiles and in most cases both Jew and Gentile. Also keep in mind that the Gentile where allowed by the Jew to worship in the outer courts of the temple. So in other Jewish temples I am sure there would have been a place for them also.See Acts 17:17, here is seems to suggest that he met with no only Jews in the market place but gentiles as well.
I am in aggreement with you on these issues. Where do you think the Gentiles and Jewish believers went to worship at this time period? I dont think the believers in Jesus were welcome at the temples. Where did they worship and what day did they worship on.Paul never seemed to speak of the importance of the sabbath after the cross.
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I am in agreement with you on these issues. Where do you think the Gentiles and Jewish believers went to worship at this time period? I don’t think the believers in Jesus were welcome at the temples. Where did they worship and what day did they worship on.Paul never seemed to speak of the importance of the Sabbath after the cross.
Well there are several verses that tell us there where Christian churches at that time.Act 9:29 And he spake boldly in the name of the Lord Jesus, and disputed against the Grecians: but they went about to slay him. Act 9:30 Which when the brethren knew, they brought him down to Caesarea, and sent him forth to Tarsus. Act 9:31 Then had the churches rest throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied. Act 15:40 And Paul chose Silas, and departed, being recommended by the brethren unto the grace of God. Act 15:41 And he went through Syria and Cilicia, confirming the churches.There are some more verses I could add but I am sure you can see that their where Churches, also I am sure some worshiped in their homes and such... Also you said importance of the Sabbath and you would be right he did not speak much about that. In his time it was normal for everyone to rest and worship God on the Sabbath... however he did spend most of his time teaching the Jews (mostly) that they no longer had to keep the ordinances... in sort anywhere you see Paul talking about a law given for righteousness or justification that is what he is talking about (the Ordinances)… Keep in mind the Ten Commandments where only given to us so that we may know what sin was as Paul Said.Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. And again James said.Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. Good questions crooner.
I am in agreement with you on these issues. Where do you think the Gentiles and Jewish believers went to worship at this time period? I don’t think the believers in Jesus were welcome at the temples. Where did they worship and what day did they worship on.Paul never seemed to speak of the importance of the Sabbath after the cross.
Well there are several verses that tell us there where Christian churches at that time.Act 9:29 And he spake boldly in the name of the Lord Jesus, and disputed against the Grecians: but they went about to slay him. Act 9:30 Which when the brethren knew, they brought him down to Caesarea, and sent him forth to Tarsus. Act 9:31 Then had the churches rest throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied. Act 15:40 And Paul chose Silas, and departed, being recommended by the brethren unto the grace of God. Act 15:41 And he went through Syria and Cilicia, confirming the churches.There are some more verses I could add but I am sure you can see that their where Churches, also I am sure some worshiped in their homes and such... Also you said importance of the Sabbath and you would be right he did not speak much about that. In his time it was normal for everyone to rest and worship God on the Sabbath... however he did spend most of his time teaching the Jews (mostly) that they no longer had to keep the ordinances... in sort anywhere you see Paul talking about a law given for righteousness or justification that is what he is talking about (the Ordinances)… Keep in mind the Ten Commandments where only given to us so that we may know what sin was as Paul Said.Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. And again James said.Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. Good questions crooner.
Keep in mind the Ten Commandments where only given to us so that we may know what sin was as Paul Said
an excellent point..that being said, we must not forget that keeping the Sabbath is part of the ten commandments and should not be set aside or forgotten.Exodus 201And God spake all these words, saying, 2I am Jehovah thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.4Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them, for I Jehovah thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, upon the third and upon the fourth generation of them that hate me, 6and showing lovingkindness unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.7Thou shalt not take the name of Jehovah thy God in vain; for Jehovah will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work; 10but the seventh day is a sabbath unto Jehovah thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11for in six days Jehovah made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore Jehovah blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.12Honor thy father and thy mother, that thy days may be long in the land which Jehovah thy God giveth thee.13Thou shalt not kill.14Thou shalt not commit adultery.15Thou shalt not steal.16Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.17Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife, nor his man-servant, nor his maid-servant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbor’s.18And all the people perceived the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the voice of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they trembled, and stood afar off. 19And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear; but let not God speak with us, lest we die. 20And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before you, that ye sin not. 21And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.22And Jehovah said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye yourselves have seen that I have talked with you from heaven. 23Ye shall not make other gods with me; gods of silver, or gods of gold, ye shall not make unto you. 24An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt-offerings, and thy peace-offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in every place where I record my name I will come unto thee and I will bless thee. 25And if thou make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stones; for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it. 26Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not uncovered thereon.I know many argue that it does not matter what day the Sabbath (Shabot) is kept. I disagree, I believe it is from sun-down Friday to sundown Saturday. It is not a day for anything other than resting from the world, shutting out all that the world brings into our lives. Just as the other 9 commandments are as valid today as they were the day the Almighty gave them, so is Sabbath. Jesus said He is Lord of the Sabbath, not that He is the Sabbath. I believe there is a big difference in the statement than in what people try to make it out to be. Now this does not change the fact that we are to remain in His rest nor does it change the fact that everyday should be a day of worship and thanksgiving to our Lord. Christ said He did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill it. These words to NOT imply to me that the law was completely fulfilled by Christ's work on the cross. It does imply to me that:1. Animal sacrifices were completed with His ultimate sacrifice.2. That no matter how it happens for each of us, salvation through the sacrifice of Him was the only way in which man could come to the throne of God, clean and forgiven of all sin through the atonement of the sacrificial blood of the LAMB.I see it as no more than that regarding the ten commandments and the law. Jesus also said that they who teach falsely will be the least in the Kingdom. The word of God remains steadfast and true until all is complete and the Son of God returns.blessings
an excellent point..that being said, we must not forget that keeping the Sabbath is part of the ten commandments and should not be set aside or forgotten.Exodus 201And God spake all these words, saying, 2I am Jehovah thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.4Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them, for I Jehovah thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, upon the third and upon the fourth generation of them that hate me, 6and showing lovingkindness unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.7Thou shalt not take the name of Jehovah thy God in vain; for Jehovah will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work; 10but the seventh day is a sabbath unto Jehovah thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11for in six days Jehovah made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore Jehovah blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.12Honor thy father and thy mother, that thy days may be long in the land which Jehovah thy God giveth thee.13Thou shalt not kill.14Thou shalt not commit adultery.15Thou shalt not steal.16Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.17Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife, nor his man-servant, nor his maid-servant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbor’s.18And all the people perceived the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the voice of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they trembled, and stood afar off. 19And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear; but let not God speak with us, lest we die. 20And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before you, that ye sin not. 21And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.22And Jehovah said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye yourselves have seen that I have talked with you from heaven. 23Ye shall not make other gods with me; gods of silver, or gods of gold, ye shall not make unto you. 24An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt-offerings, and thy peace-offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in every place where I record my name I will come unto thee and I will bless thee. 25And if thou make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stones; for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it. 26Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not uncovered thereon.I know many argue that it does not matter what day the Sabbath (Shabot) is kept. I disagree, I believe it is from sun-down Friday to sundown Saturday. It is not a day for anything other than resting from the world, shutting out all that the world brings into our lives. Just as the other 9 commandments are as valid today as they were the day the Almighty gave them, so is Sabbath. Jesus said He is Lord of the Sabbath, not that He is the Sabbath. I believe there is a big difference in the statement than in what people try to make it out to be. Now this does not change the fact that we are to remain in His rest nor does it change the fact that everyday should be a day of worship and thanksgiving to our Lord. Christ said He did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill it. These words to NOT imply to me that the law was completely fulfilled by Christ's work on the cross. It does imply to me that:1. Animal sacrifices were completed with His ultimate sacrifice.2. That no matter how it happens for each of us, salvation through the sacrifice of Him was the only way in which man could come to the throne of God, clean and forgiven of all sin through the atonement of the sacrificial blood of the LAMB.I see it as no more than that regarding the ten commandments and the law. Jesus also said that they who teach falsely will be the least in the Kingdom. The word of God remains steadfast and true until all is complete and the Son of God returns.blessings
Very peculiar.I just did a text search of 'sabbath' of all the letters from Romans to Jude and the ONLY instance I could find of it was this...Seems pretty odd that in all those letters of INSTRUCTION there isnt much about the sabbath other than to say not to let any man judge us about it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
You are correct Foc in the new testament the Sabbath is never reconized as a Day except to tell us not to Judge people by the Sabbath Day. Day is the Key word here Christ came to fullfil the Law not to change it Sabbath simply means rest Where is our Rest to be ? Who are we to Worship ? The answer is of course Christ He is our Sabbath We are to Rest in him on what day? Every Day. I know many do not agree with this but it is the New testament teaching.That being said dont think its fine to reconize a Sabbath Day but we are not to Judge those who choose to worship on any day.
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Very peculiar.I just did a text search of 'sabbath' of all the letters from Romans to Jude and the ONLY instance I could find of it was this...Seems pretty odd that in all those letters of INSTRUCTION there isnt much about the sabbath other than to say not to let any man judge us about it.
You might want to take a close look at Hebrews 4:9 and the surrounding context.
Very peculiar.I just did a text search of 'sabbath' of all the letters from Romans to Jude and the ONLY instance I could find of it was this...
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
You might want to take a close look at Hebrews 4:9 and the surrounding context.
Well if Jesus fulfilled the law why do some people think it still needs fulfilling? For our Sabath is now eternal. We enter into His eternal rest because our salvation is not of work but In Christ. So therefore we are in the sabbath days..
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Well if Jesus fulfilled the law why do some people think it still needs fulfilling? For our Sabath is now eternal. We enter into His eternal rest because our salvation is not of work but In Christ. So therefore we are in the sabbath days..
Matthew 517 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.Deut. 12:1 1“These are the statutes and judgments which you shall be careful to observe in the land which the LORD God of your fathers is giving you to possess, all the days that you live on the earth.I think this is pretty self explanatory. God's Word is from Gen 1 to Rev 22:21, period. Half of the book does not make His word, decrees, promises, laws, what have you, complete. I see too many people spending time trying to defend not having to live by the Word of God by discarding the Old Testament and the Law. Black and White that is all it is. There is no gray area here. God's Word is as infinite as He IS.blessings
Well if Jesus fulfilled the law why do some people think it still needs fulfilling? For our Sabath is now eternal. We enter into His eternal rest because our salvation is not of work but In Christ. So therefore we are in the sabbath days..
Matthew 517 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.Deut. 12:1 1“These are the statutes and judgments which you shall be careful to observe in the land which the LORD God of your fathers is giving you to possess, all the days that you live on the earth.I think this is pretty self explanatory. God's Word is from Gen 1 to Rev 22:21, period. Half of the book does not make His word, decrees, promises, laws, what have you, complete. I see too many people spending time trying to defend not having to live by the Word of God by discarding the Old Testament and the Law. Black and White that is all it is. There is no gray area here. God's Word is as infinite as He IS.blessings
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Matthew 517 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.Deut. 12:1 1“These are the statutes and judgments which you shall be careful to observe in the land which the LORD God of your fathers is giving you to possess, all the days that you live on the earth.I think this is pretty self explanatory. God's Word is from Gen 1 to Rev 22:21, period. Half of the book does not make His word, decrees, promises, laws, what have you, complete. I see too many people spending time trying to defend not having to live by the Word of God by discarding the Old Testament and the Law. Black and White that is all it is. There is no gray area here. God's Word is as infinite as He IS.blessings
Could you take a moment and maybe explain how your view fits into the passage I gave earlier ?
)I see all days the same.I know others who observe the Sabbath.Each of us lives in harmony without judging the other..just as the above seems to present.Thoughts ?
Matthew 517 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.Deut. 12:1 1“These are the statutes and judgments which you shall be careful to observe in the land which the LORD God of your fathers is giving you to possess, all the days that you live on the earth.I think this is pretty self explanatory. God's Word is from Gen 1 to Rev 22:21, period. Half of the book does not make His word, decrees, promises, laws, what have you, complete. I see too many people spending time trying to defend not having to live by the Word of God by discarding the Old Testament and the Law. Black and White that is all it is. There is no gray area here. God's Word is as infinite as He IS.blessings
Could you take a moment and maybe explain how your view fits into the passage I gave earlier ?
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
What is the purpose of this verse if it doesnt mean what it says ?(the question is sincere
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Could you take a moment and maybe explain how your view fits into the passage I gave earlier ?Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath daysWhat is the purpose of this verse if it doesnt mean what it says ?
It means exactly what it says. Shabat had a multitude of additional laws attached unto it. Such as one stitch is ok, but two are not, etc. etc. that made it into a burden rather than a delight.He is not saying not to uphold them, but rather simply allow no one to judge how you keep it. If we simply stick to the written Word, it is not burdensome and is actually a delight unto us.(FoC)
I see all days the same.I know others who observe the Sabbath.Each of us lives in harmony without judging the other..just as the above seems to present.
Yes, some do see all days the same. However not everyone can. Some observe shabat and enjoy church of a Sunday.As I wrote in another thread earlier today:There is nothing wrong with gathering together upon the first day [Sunday] of the week. There is nothing wrong with meeting together, breaking bread together, taking up a collection or any of the things currently done. However, let us:Shemot 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.For:Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his. 11 Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, that no man fall after the same example of disobedience.
Could you take a moment and maybe explain how your view fits into the passage I gave earlier ?Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath daysWhat is the purpose of this verse if it doesnt mean what it says ?
It means exactly what it says. Shabat had a multitude of additional laws attached unto it. Such as one stitch is ok, but two are not, etc. etc. that made it into a burden rather than a delight.He is not saying not to uphold them, but rather simply allow no one to judge how you keep it. If we simply stick to the written Word, it is not burdensome and is actually a delight unto us.(FoC)
I see all days the same.I know others who observe the Sabbath.Each of us lives in harmony without judging the other..just as the above seems to present.
Yes, some do see all days the same. However not everyone can. Some observe shabat and enjoy church of a Sunday.As I wrote in another thread earlier today:There is nothing wrong with gathering together upon the first day [Sunday] of the week. There is nothing wrong with meeting together, breaking bread together, taking up a collection or any of the things currently done. However, let us:Shemot 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.For:Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his. 11 Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, that no man fall after the same example of disobedience.
I wrote in another thread earlier.Why would any good protestant not want to do as God says.Argue and twist and turn, but when it is all done and washed up the ten commandments are still binding on men, the ONLY piece of scripture written by the finger of God.And people think He said somewhere, "opps shouldn't have written that, bit of a mistake, sorry, don't need to worry about that now, changed my mind about #4, good idea to sort of keep the one about no killing and stealing and not running off with your neighbors wife, but # 4 was a bit of a mistake, sorry about the confusion"It is a bit funny really, the only one of the ten that people spend forever trying to get out of is #4Why is that ?There is a deep spiritual reason.It is the only one that identifies the one true GodThe creator God, that's who.The identity of who God is is at stake in the Sabbath and Creation.He is the creator God!!!Try find any other god that can do that !!!!!
But we as Christians are not told to remember the sabbath.. For this was for the Old covenant with the circumcized to which us as gentiles never were. We have entered into the Holy Sabbath through the blood if Christ therefore resting from all of our works for Now it is Christ in us the Hope of Glory and not the keeping of any of the laws.
(Jackie D;52069)
Matthew 517 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.Deut. 12:1 1“These are the statutes and judgments which you shall be careful to observe in the land which the LORD God of your fathers is giving you to possess, all the days that you live on the earth.I think this is pretty self explanatory. God's Word is from Gen 1 to Rev 22:21, period. Half of the book does not make His word, decrees, promises, laws, what have you, complete. I see too many people spending time trying to defend not having to live by the Word of God by discarding the Old Testament and the Law. Black and White that is all it is. There is no gray area here. God's Word is as infinite as He IS.blessings
So once again if Jesus fulfilled the law of the old Covenant then what is left to fulfill? For it has already been fulfilled. It is Christ life and death and ressurection that makes a Christian anything. For Christs righteousness is imputed to us His body.
Matthew 517 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.Deut. 12:1 1“These are the statutes and judgments which you shall be careful to observe in the land which the LORD God of your fathers is giving you to possess, all the days that you live on the earth.I think this is pretty self explanatory. God's Word is from Gen 1 to Rev 22:21, period. Half of the book does not make His word, decrees, promises, laws, what have you, complete. I see too many people spending time trying to defend not having to live by the Word of God by discarding the Old Testament and the Law. Black and White that is all it is. There is no gray area here. God's Word is as infinite as He IS.blessings
So once again if Jesus fulfilled the law of the old Covenant then what is left to fulfill? For it has already been fulfilled. It is Christ life and death and ressurection that makes a Christian anything. For Christs righteousness is imputed to us His body.
Christ fulfilled the prophecies of His time here on earth the death and resurrection and He fulfilled sacrifice. He did not say that in doing those things, the law was abolished or fulfilled with it. The teachings by the churches or from those lone rangers conjuring up more false teachings/doctrines are lies that have come straight from Hell. And those folks who delight in the evil of these doctrines will find in the end that the Lord fulfilled in the word that strong delusions ARE given to those who delight in these ways.Listen to the Lord's voice and stop relying so heavily on the ministers/pastors or whatever else the leader of your church might be called. He'll give it to us straight, that was His promise to send a guide and voice that will teach us the truth in all ways, should we seek it.Remember that the Law is written on every man's heart, just as Jeremiah 30 speaks.blessings
Scripture tells us that Jesus fulfilled the Law. Then He nailed this law to the cross. Meaning that the law has already been fulfilled and not in need of people to fulfill it any more. It has been fulfilled by the only one who could ever fulfill it and that would be Christ. This is why scripture tells us that we are no longer under the law but under Christ. Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
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