What does the book of Acts reveal about the Sabbath Day?
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I listen to the scriptures.
oh really? Then you won't mind giving me the exact chapter and verse that told you the Law has been abolished?
I listen to the scriptures.
oh really? Then you won't mind giving me the exact chapter and verse that told you the Law has been abolished?
I never said it was abolished..I said it was fulfilled.
The dead will be judged by the law since they have not believed in Christ for God is a just God.
The law still does what it has always done. It shows us that we are in need of a savior because we cannot live according to the Law. No man can.
Only Christ could.
You seem to be misundering fulfilledit does not mean the Law is not in effect only that penalty for it, the answer if you will, is fulfilled.Another Words we no longer stone an adulter to death instead when we break this law we are to repent in the name of Christ. This by No way means that the law is not relevant or done away withonly that Christ paid the price for this sin. However if you want to be forgiven you must repent of the sin in his name.For you are still breaking his Law.And the only way to be forgiven is by God's grace when you claim it by belief and repentance.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days:Is not talking about the 4th Commandment of God please let me explain what Paul is saying here.Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drinkMeat and drink is a reference to offering sacrifices on the altar. Now I know some would say he is talking about food that you could eat, but in the CONTEX of the verse he is not speaking of eating food..or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:Again please read carful. Paul is talking about holydays and new moons and Sabbath days. if you understand something of the Jewish holydays or Sabbaths you will understand what Paul is saying here.. Also note this is very IMPORTANT Paul said Sabbath days! And not Sabbath day! The 4th commandment talked of ONE day (the seventh day) not more that one... Thank you for reading my post
If you need any other verses explained please let me know.
(GmamaZ;52208)
I never said it was abolished..I said it was fulfilled.
The dead will be judged by the law since they have not believed in Christ for God is a just God.
The law still does what it has always done. It shows us that we are in need of a savior because we cannot live according to the Law. No man can.
Only Christ could.
this is the verse we will deal with first. Jesus said.Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. If your statements are correct this is what you’re saying. This is what Jesus ment.Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to destroy.If you change that one word fulfill to anything you will still be saying that Jesus destroy the law and the prophets.As for everyone that lives before Jesus being jugged by the law as you said here is what the Bible says.Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.so you can clearly see that Abraham had faith... and was not saved by works.. no one is saved by works,, we are only jugged by our works.
I never said it was abolished..I said it was fulfilled.
this is the verse we will deal with first. Jesus said.Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. If your statements are correct this is what you’re saying. This is what Jesus ment.Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to destroy.If you change that one word fulfill to anything you will still be saying that Jesus destroy the law and the prophets.As for everyone that lives before Jesus being jugged by the law as you said here is what the Bible says.Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.so you can clearly see that Abraham had faith... and was not saved by works.. no one is saved by works,, we are only jugged by our works.
"Does God require Sabbath-keeping of Christians?"In Colossians 2:16-17, the Apostle Paul declared, “Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.” Similarly, Romans 14:5 says, “One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.” These Scriptures make it clear that, for the Christian, Sabbath-keeping is a matter of spiritual freedom, not a command from God. Sabbath-keeping is an issue on which God’s Word instructs us not to judge each other. Sabbath-keeping is a matter that each and every Christian needs to by fully convinced of in his/her own mind.In the early chapters of the Book of Acts, the first Christians were predominantly Jews. When Gentiles began to receive the gift of salvation through Jesus Christ, the Jewish Christians had a dilemma. What aspects of the Mosaic Law and Jewish tradition should Gentile Christians be instructed to obey? The apostles met and discussed the issue in the Jerusalem council (Acts chapter 15). The decision was, “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood” (Acts 15:19-20). Sabbath-keeping was not one of the commands the apostles felt was necessary to enforce on Gentile believers. It is inconceivable that the apostles would neglect to include Sabbath-keeping if it was still God’s command for Christians to observe the Sabbath day.A common error in the Sabbath-keeping debate is the concept that the Sabbath was the day of worship. Groups such as the Seventh Day Adventists holds that God requires the church service to be held on Saturday, the Sabbath day. That is not what the Sabbath command was. The Sabbath command was to do no work on the Sabbath day (Exodus 20:8-11). Nowhere in Scripture is the Sabbath day commanded to be the day of worship. Yes, Jews in Old Testament, New Testament, and modern times use Saturday as the day of worship, but that is not the essence of the Sabbath command. In the Book of Acts, whenever a meeting is said to be on the Sabbath, it is a meeting of Jews, not Christians.When did the early Christians meet? Acts 2:46-47 gives us the answer, “Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.” If there was a day that Christians met regularly, it was the first day of the week (our Sunday), not the Sabbath day (Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2). In honor of Christ’s resurrection on Sunday, the early Christians observed Sunday, not as the “Christian Sabbath,” but as a day to especially worship and glorify Jesus Christ.Is there anything wrong with worshipping on Saturday, the Sabbath? Absolutely not! We should worship God every day, not just on Saturday or Sunday! Many churches today have both Saturday and Sunday services. There is freedom in Christ (Romans 8:21; 2 Corinthians 3:17; Galatians 5:1). Should a Christian practice Sabbath-keeping, that is, not working on Saturdays? If a Christian feels led to do so, absolutely, yes (Romans 14:5). However, those who choose to practice Sabbath-keeping should not judge those who do not keep the Sabbath (Colossians 2:16). Further, those who do not keep the Sabbath should avoid being a stumbling block (1 Corinthians 8:9) to those who do keep the Sabbath. Galatians 5:13-15 sums up the whole issue, “You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. The entire law is summed up in a single command: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other."
I ask you this What Works are we to cease from doing on the Sabbath??Why did Christ break the Sabbath Day Laws by healing ?Was he breaking Gods Laws or Mens??Was he doing mens work on the Sabbath or Gods Work??
The following three reasons (given by a seminary professor, John H. Gerstner, of more than 30 years) are outlined to refute the insistence on the perpetual obligation to observe the Lord’s Day on Saturday. My purpose in this article is show that in order for men to refute 7th Day Sabbath Keeping, they have to always use assumption as their means of interpreting scripture and ignore clear Biblical evidence of Sabbath observance throughout the entire record of Acts. My personal comments are in blue, while all other words are those of Professor John H. Gerstner.(Gerstner) First, although the Sabbath Day is perpetually binding as a part of the moral law, it does not follow that ancient legal features of that day are likewise necessarily binding—certainly not if there is evidence that they have been altered by later revelation. The particular day of the week is surely unimportant. A seventh day may be essential, but which seventh day could not possibly be essential. Just as Saturday could have originally been most appropriate as symbolic of the day of rest after creation, so Sunday could later become most appropriate as the day of rest after redemption. The Hebrew word for “Sabbath” means, “rest,” not “Saturday.” Saturday was shown to be the intended Sabbath, when God gave a double portion of manna on the preceding day. In the new dispensation Sunday was shown to be the intended Sabbath when God raised His Son on that day. Notice that up front Mr. Gerstner freely admits the Sabbath Day is perpetually binding as a part of the moral law – the Ten Commandments. Yet he dismisses the perpetual binding of the command because all the other legal features attached to the command are not in force, so the command must not be either. An example of the other legal features Mr. Gerstner makes reference to were such as stoning the man who violated the Sabbath day, etc. But “Thou shalt not commit adultery” also has such legal features. Are we to say that there is no longer a commandment against adultery unless we also practice stoning the man who commits it? Mr. Gerstner also dismisses the importance of the seventh day as the Sabbath with absolutely no grounds of authority. And then proceeds to declare that Sunday was intended to be the new day for the Sabbath because Jesus arose on that day. The bases for this are pure assumption with no Biblical facts.(Gerstner) Second, the New Testament does indicate that just such a change was made. Christ arose on Sunday, appeared on Sunday, the disciples assembled on Sunday, offerings were made on Sunday, and John was in the Spirit on Sunday.Note: The proof Mr. Gerstner sets forth for Sunday being the new Christian Sabbath is pure assumption or supposition – (the act of believing something to be true without evidence). He assumes that because Christ arose on Sunday – that Jesus appeared to the disciples on Sunday – that offerings were made on Sunday – and that John was in the Spirit on Sunday – that all these prove or represent Biblical evidence that Sunday had become by divine appointment, approved by God and sanctioned by the Apostles the new Christian Sabbath Day. This is dangerous interpretation. If assumption is a proper means of forming doctrine, then scripture looses its sole authority for sound doctrine. Through assumption we can boldly teach:•Seeing as tithing (tithing –I’m not speaking about giving) is not a New Testament practice that can be found in the New Testament, it must not be a command or an exhortation for the church today. Rather Old Testament practice must be carried over into the church to establish tithing.•Seeing that Jesus turned water into wine and Paul exhorted a Christian leader to drink wine for his stomach sake that wine drinking is a New Testament doctrine that was practiced and taught to the church.•. . . the examples of forming doctrine by assumption could go on and on . . . . . (Gerstner) The third reason grows out of the second and serves as a distinct confirmation of it. The practice of the early church revealed an early observation of Sunday as the new Sabbath, although the old Sabbath was observed when the church was still a part of Israel. Biederwolf has conveniently gathered the statements from the early Fathers:Note again, that Mr. Gerstner openly admits that the early church practiced seventh day Sabbath keeping but uses statements from what he calls “early Fathers” as divine authority to ignore the Bible example of the church observing the seventh day Sabbath.The Epistle of Barnabas (A.D. 100) says, “Wherefore also we keepthe eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose from the dead.”Have you ever read the Epistle of Barnabas? It is amusing. Let me share just a few quotes from others about this epistle Mr. Gerstner holds up here as authority
r. Killen, Professor of Ecclesiastical History, to the General Assembly of the Presbyterian church of Ireland, uses the following language: —“The tract known as the Epistle of Barnabas was probablycomposed in A.D. 135. It is the production, apparently, of aconvert from Judaism who took special pleasure in allegoricalinterpretation of Scripture.”9 Prof. Hackett bears this testimony: — “The letter still extant, which was known as that of Barnabas even in the second century, cannot be defended as genuine.” Mr. Milner speaks of the reputed epistle of Bananas as follows: — “It. is a great injury to him to apprehend the epistle, which goes by his name, to be his.”Kitto speaks of this production as — “The so-called epistle of Barnabas, probably a forgery of the second century.”Says the Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, speaking of the Barnabas of the New Testament: — “He could not be the author of a work so full of forced allegories, extravagant and rrantable explications of Scripture, together with stories concerning beasts, and such like conceits, as make up the first part of this epistle.”The above are only a few of such quotes that could be given. So why would anyone stoop to use this book as evidence for New Testament doctrine?The Epistles of Ignatius (A.D. 107), a pupil of the apostles whose writings were commended by Polycarp, a friend of St. John’s, says: “And after the observance of the Sabbath, let every friend of Christ keep the Lord’s day ~s a festival, the resurrection day, the queen and chief of all days.“Those who were concerned with old things have come to newnessof confidence, no longer keeping Sabbaths, but living according to the Lord’s day, on which our life as risen again through Him depends.”Robinson, an eminent English Baptist writer of the last century, expresses the following opinion of the epistles ascribed to Ignatius, Barnabas, and others: — “If any of the writings attributed to those who are called apostolic Fathers, as Ignatius, teacher at Antioch, Polycarp, at Smyrna,Barnabas, who was half a Jew, and Hemas, who was a brother to Pius, teacher at Rome, if any of these be genuine, of which there is great reason to doubt, they only prove the piety and illiteracy of the good men. In the writings of Justin Martyr (A.D. 145), it is said, “But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day of the week and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead.”For some time Jewish Christians continued to keep both the Sabbath and Sunday, but according to Justin Martyr such believers were to be accommodated as weak brothers. He says in his Dialogue with Trypho, chapter 47: “But if some, through weakmindedness, wish to observe such institutions as were given by Moses, along with their hope in Christ, yet choose to live with the Christians and the faithful, as I said before, not inducing them either to be circumcised, like themselves, or to keep the Sabbath, or to observe any other such ceremonies, then I hold that we ought to join ourselves to such, and associate with them in all things as kinsmen and brethren.”Apostolic Constitutions (Second Century): “On the day of the resurrection of the Lord, that is, the Lord’s day, assemble yourselves together without fail, giving thanks to God and praising Him for those mercies God has bestowed upon you through Christ.”Dionysius of Corinth (A.D. 170), in an epistle to the Church of Rome, wrote: “Today we kept the Lord’s holy day in which we readyour letter.”Melito of Sardis (A.D. 175) wrote a treatise on “The Lord’s Day.”Irenaeus (A.D. 160—200) says: “The mystery of the Lord’s resur¬rection may not be celebrated on any other day than the Lord’s Day and on this alone should we observe the breaking of the Paschal Feast.”Clement of Alexandria (A.D. 174) says: “The old seventh day hasbecome nothing more than a working day.”Bard esanes (A.D. 180) says in his book of the Laws of theCountries, “On one day, the first of the week, we assemble ourselves together.”Tertullian (A.D. 200) says in his Apologeticus; “In the same way if we devote Sunday to rejoicing, from a far different reason than sun-worship, we have some resemblance to some of you ‘The Jews,’ who devote the day of Saturn [Saturday] to ease and luxury.” In another of his works he says: “He who argues for Sabbath keeping and circum¬cision must show that Adam and Abel and the just of old times observed these things.... We observe the day of the Lord’s resur¬rection laying aside our worldly business.~~Origen (A.D. 185—255) says: “John the Baptist was born to make ready a people for the Lord, a people fit for Him at the end of the Covenant now grown old, which is the end of the Sabbath.", “It is one of the marks of a perfect Christian to keep the Lord’s day.Victorianus (A.D. 300) says: “On the Lord’s day we go forth to our bread with the giving of thanks. Lest we should appear to observe any Sabbath with the Jews, which Christ himself the Lord of the Sabbath in his body abolished” (On the Creation of the World, section 14).Peter, Bishop of Alexandria (A.D. 306), says: “But the Lord’s daywe celebrate as the day of joy because on it He rose again.”Eusebius (A.D. 324) of the Ebionites says: “They also observed the Sabbath and other discipline of the Jews just like them, but on the other hand, they also celebrate the Lord’s Day very much like us” (Ecclesiastical History, pages 1 12f.).All the quotations from writings that reveal Christians in the church observing the Sabbath, are all quoted attempting to prove these Christians as rebellious or slow to conform to the larger church at hand. These quotes leave out the reality of the church’s apostasy. They fail to consider that the church at large was keeping Sunday as an act of its apostasy. They fail to present the question, “Could these Sabbath keeping Christians be the remnant church surviving such apostasy?” Did you notice that nowhere do these writers ever refer to Sunday as the Sabbath? It’s clear that the Sabbath has been taken out of the Sunday observanceThe writings of early Christians are valuable and useful to help us see the strengths and the weaknesses of the church at the time of the writing. But never should such writings be regarded as authority to establish doctrine. Again, The purpose of this post is to demonstrate the depth of weakness one must plunge into to attempt to prove with authority that Sunday is the new Christian Sabbath.
r. Killen, Professor of Ecclesiastical History, to the General Assembly of the Presbyterian church of Ireland, uses the following language: —“The tract known as the Epistle of Barnabas was probablycomposed in A.D. 135. It is the production, apparently, of aconvert from Judaism who took special pleasure in allegoricalinterpretation of Scripture.”9 Prof. Hackett bears this testimony: — “The letter still extant, which was known as that of Barnabas even in the second century, cannot be defended as genuine.” Mr. Milner speaks of the reputed epistle of Bananas as follows: — “It. is a great injury to him to apprehend the epistle, which goes by his name, to be his.”Kitto speaks of this production as — “The so-called epistle of Barnabas, probably a forgery of the second century.”Says the Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, speaking of the Barnabas of the New Testament: — “He could not be the author of a work so full of forced allegories, extravagant and rrantable explications of Scripture, together with stories concerning beasts, and such like conceits, as make up the first part of this epistle.”The above are only a few of such quotes that could be given. So why would anyone stoop to use this book as evidence for New Testament doctrine?The Epistles of Ignatius (A.D. 107), a pupil of the apostles whose writings were commended by Polycarp, a friend of St. John’s, says: “And after the observance of the Sabbath, let every friend of Christ keep the Lord’s day ~s a festival, the resurrection day, the queen and chief of all days.“Those who were concerned with old things have come to newnessof confidence, no longer keeping Sabbaths, but living according to the Lord’s day, on which our life as risen again through Him depends.”Robinson, an eminent English Baptist writer of the last century, expresses the following opinion of the epistles ascribed to Ignatius, Barnabas, and others: — “If any of the writings attributed to those who are called apostolic Fathers, as Ignatius, teacher at Antioch, Polycarp, at Smyrna,Barnabas, who was half a Jew, and Hemas, who was a brother to Pius, teacher at Rome, if any of these be genuine, of which there is great reason to doubt, they only prove the piety and illiteracy of the good men. In the writings of Justin Martyr (A.D. 145), it is said, “But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day of the week and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead.”For some time Jewish Christians continued to keep both the Sabbath and Sunday, but according to Justin Martyr such believers were to be accommodated as weak brothers. He says in his Dialogue with Trypho, chapter 47: “But if some, through weakmindedness, wish to observe such institutions as were given by Moses, along with their hope in Christ, yet choose to live with the Christians and the faithful, as I said before, not inducing them either to be circumcised, like themselves, or to keep the Sabbath, or to observe any other such ceremonies, then I hold that we ought to join ourselves to such, and associate with them in all things as kinsmen and brethren.”Apostolic Constitutions (Second Century): “On the day of the resurrection of the Lord, that is, the Lord’s day, assemble yourselves together without fail, giving thanks to God and praising Him for those mercies God has bestowed upon you through Christ.”Dionysius of Corinth (A.D. 170), in an epistle to the Church of Rome, wrote: “Today we kept the Lord’s holy day in which we readyour letter.”Melito of Sardis (A.D. 175) wrote a treatise on “The Lord’s Day.”Irenaeus (A.D. 160—200) says: “The mystery of the Lord’s resur¬rection may not be celebrated on any other day than the Lord’s Day and on this alone should we observe the breaking of the Paschal Feast.”Clement of Alexandria (A.D. 174) says: “The old seventh day hasbecome nothing more than a working day.”Bard esanes (A.D. 180) says in his book of the Laws of theCountries, “On one day, the first of the week, we assemble ourselves together.”Tertullian (A.D. 200) says in his Apologeticus; “In the same way if we devote Sunday to rejoicing, from a far different reason than sun-worship, we have some resemblance to some of you ‘The Jews,’ who devote the day of Saturn [Saturday] to ease and luxury.” In another of his works he says: “He who argues for Sabbath keeping and circum¬cision must show that Adam and Abel and the just of old times observed these things.... We observe the day of the Lord’s resur¬rection laying aside our worldly business.~~Origen (A.D. 185—255) says: “John the Baptist was born to make ready a people for the Lord, a people fit for Him at the end of the Covenant now grown old, which is the end of the Sabbath.", “It is one of the marks of a perfect Christian to keep the Lord’s day.Victorianus (A.D. 300) says: “On the Lord’s day we go forth to our bread with the giving of thanks. Lest we should appear to observe any Sabbath with the Jews, which Christ himself the Lord of the Sabbath in his body abolished” (On the Creation of the World, section 14).Peter, Bishop of Alexandria (A.D. 306), says: “But the Lord’s daywe celebrate as the day of joy because on it He rose again.”Eusebius (A.D. 324) of the Ebionites says: “They also observed the Sabbath and other discipline of the Jews just like them, but on the other hand, they also celebrate the Lord’s Day very much like us” (Ecclesiastical History, pages 1 12f.).All the quotations from writings that reveal Christians in the church observing the Sabbath, are all quoted attempting to prove these Christians as rebellious or slow to conform to the larger church at hand. These quotes leave out the reality of the church’s apostasy. They fail to consider that the church at large was keeping Sunday as an act of its apostasy. They fail to present the question, “Could these Sabbath keeping Christians be the remnant church surviving such apostasy?” Did you notice that nowhere do these writers ever refer to Sunday as the Sabbath? It’s clear that the Sabbath has been taken out of the Sunday observanceThe writings of early Christians are valuable and useful to help us see the strengths and the weaknesses of the church at the time of the writing. But never should such writings be regarded as authority to establish doctrine. Again, The purpose of this post is to demonstrate the depth of weakness one must plunge into to attempt to prove with authority that Sunday is the new Christian Sabbath.(GmamaZ;52208)
I never said it was abolished..I said it was fulfilled.
The dead will be judged by the law since they have not believed in Christ for God is a just God.
The law still does what it has always done. It shows us that we are in need of a savior because we cannot live according to the Law. No man can.
Only Christ could.
so then we are in agreement that Christ did not fulfill all the law as we still live by the commandments of the law...which happen to include Shabat.Indeed works will not save us. But the Law stands
I never said it was abolished..I said it was fulfilled.
so then we are in agreement that Christ did not fulfill all the law as we still live by the commandments of the law...which happen to include Shabat.Indeed works will not save us. But the Law stands
(kriss;52225)
I ask you this What Works are we to cease from doing on the Sabbath??Why did Christ break the Sabbath Day Laws by healing ?Was he breaking Gods Laws or Mens??Was he doing mens work on the Sabbath or Gods Work??
Ok I will answer them for you...Question: What Works are we to cease from doing on the Sabbath??Answer: Your Job work place (unless your a Pastor) also doing good work is ok as Jesus said "it is lawful to do well on the Sabbath" so no working at you Job or making others to work.Question: Why did Christ break the Sabbath Day Laws by healing? Answer: If you think Jesus broke the Sabbath day laws then you are doing two things #1 you are taking the same position as the Jews in Jesus’ time #2 you’re saying Jesus was not perfect and he was not sinless.Question: Was he breaking Gods Laws or Men’s??Answer: The Jews in Jesus time was accusing him of breaking God's Laws, in sort they thought that Their interpretation of God's laws where correct even though they added allot to it.Question: Was he doing men’s work on the Sabbath or Gods WorkAnswer: Jesus was doing God’s work on the Sabbath not mans work!Please keep in mind that going to Church on the Sabbath does not constitute the keeping of that Day Holy!
I ask you this What Works are we to cease from doing on the Sabbath??Why did Christ break the Sabbath Day Laws by healing ?Was he breaking Gods Laws or Mens??Was he doing mens work on the Sabbath or Gods Work??
Ok I will answer them for you...Question: What Works are we to cease from doing on the Sabbath??Answer: Your Job work place (unless your a Pastor) also doing good work is ok as Jesus said "it is lawful to do well on the Sabbath" so no working at you Job or making others to work.Question: Why did Christ break the Sabbath Day Laws by healing? Answer: If you think Jesus broke the Sabbath day laws then you are doing two things #1 you are taking the same position as the Jews in Jesus’ time #2 you’re saying Jesus was not perfect and he was not sinless.Question: Was he breaking Gods Laws or Men’s??Answer: The Jews in Jesus time was accusing him of breaking God's Laws, in sort they thought that Their interpretation of God's laws where correct even though they added allot to it.Question: Was he doing men’s work on the Sabbath or Gods WorkAnswer: Jesus was doing God’s work on the Sabbath not mans work!Please keep in mind that going to Church on the Sabbath does not constitute the keeping of that Day Holy!
All right answers Atrhick.....................Sabbath means Rest Sabbath=RestHebrews 4:4 "For He spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, "And God did rest the seventh day from all His works."The most important thing that we can get from this verse is that "rest follows work." For too many today, there is only rest, rest, rest; but in God's order it is work, work, rest. Rest is something earned by the work. Hebrews 4:9 "There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God."The "rest" as used here is "sabbath", used differently then the rest used in prior verses. It is "#4520 in Strong's numbered Greek dictionary, "Sabbatismos, sab-bat-os-mos', a sabbatism, i.e. the repose of Christianity." "Repose" is a calm or peace that comes over you when you place all your trust in Christ. When you accept Christ, you are in Him, and He becomes your sabbath. Your work then of planting seeds of the Word is seven days a week, and there isn't one day set aside, but all days are set aside for Christ. You rest in Christ, because He is your rest. A day cannot bring you rest, only God can. Hebrews 4:10 "For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His."When you have entered into the rest that is in Christ, then you cease from doing the sinful works of the flesh that is of the world. The focus of what you do is for the glory of God, not of your own self gratification, or worldly gain. Hebrews 4:11 "Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, least any man fall after the same example of unbelief."The rest must follow the labor, or there will be no rest or peace of mind. Most preachers today are promoting the idea that (all you have to do is believe), but there is work that comes first, and that is in your planting of seeds and setting examples and study of God's Word, That is where we get our instruction from, and unbelief or confusion is cleared up. When there is confusion, there is unbelief, and this is what causes a person will fall. While you are laboring in your studies with God's Word,and the doing of his work the Spirit of God will clear up the confusion, and give you rest in Christ. Paul is using the example here of those children of Israel in the wilderness, that allowed their limitation and unbelief expire and leave them in the wilderness. It is not good to use fear tactics to teach the love of our Heavenly Father, but in this example it should be said that there is a time period, and eventually that period runs out. It could come to an end with the close of this age, the Millennium age, or even as soon as the death of your physical body, but when it ends there is accountability. Why would anyone set a limit for ending their sinning, before repenting of their sins? The whole idea is that, "I want to live miserably as long as I can. I want to be sick and hung over like the rest of the world." How foolish! That is the way that Satan wants you to think.Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."This verse is talking about the "Word of God", that will change your entire life. His Word is "quick", it comes alive and it is powerful. It is sharper then the knife that the priest used to cut up the sacrificial offerings. The Word of God can cut even into your self and your intellect of your very being. The Word of God can take your soul and your spirit and reshape it to conform for the better. It can take your very thoughts and set a new standard of right and wrong in your mind that can change your life. When you live those new thoughts, you become an example for changing other people and bring them to Christ.
.....................Sabbath means Rest Sabbath=RestHebrews 4:4 "For He spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, "And God did rest the seventh day from all His works."The most important thing that we can get from this verse is that "rest follows work." For too many today, there is only rest, rest, rest; but in God's order it is work, work, rest. Rest is something earned by the work. Hebrews 4:9 "There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God."The "rest" as used here is "sabbath", used differently then the rest used in prior verses. It is "#4520 in Strong's numbered Greek dictionary, "Sabbatismos, sab-bat-os-mos', a sabbatism, i.e. the repose of Christianity." "Repose" is a calm or peace that comes over you when you place all your trust in Christ. When you accept Christ, you are in Him, and He becomes your sabbath. Your work then of planting seeds of the Word is seven days a week, and there isn't one day set aside, but all days are set aside for Christ. You rest in Christ, because He is your rest. A day cannot bring you rest, only God can. Hebrews 4:10 "For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His."When you have entered into the rest that is in Christ, then you cease from doing the sinful works of the flesh that is of the world. The focus of what you do is for the glory of God, not of your own self gratification, or worldly gain. Hebrews 4:11 "Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, least any man fall after the same example of unbelief."The rest must follow the labor, or there will be no rest or peace of mind. Most preachers today are promoting the idea that (all you have to do is believe), but there is work that comes first, and that is in your planting of seeds and setting examples and study of God's Word, That is where we get our instruction from, and unbelief or confusion is cleared up. When there is confusion, there is unbelief, and this is what causes a person will fall. While you are laboring in your studies with God's Word,and the doing of his work the Spirit of God will clear up the confusion, and give you rest in Christ. Paul is using the example here of those children of Israel in the wilderness, that allowed their limitation and unbelief expire and leave them in the wilderness. It is not good to use fear tactics to teach the love of our Heavenly Father, but in this example it should be said that there is a time period, and eventually that period runs out. It could come to an end with the close of this age, the Millennium age, or even as soon as the death of your physical body, but when it ends there is accountability. Why would anyone set a limit for ending their sinning, before repenting of their sins? The whole idea is that, "I want to live miserably as long as I can. I want to be sick and hung over like the rest of the world." How foolish! That is the way that Satan wants you to think.Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."This verse is talking about the "Word of God", that will change your entire life. His Word is "quick", it comes alive and it is powerful. It is sharper then the knife that the priest used to cut up the sacrificial offerings. The Word of God can cut even into your self and your intellect of your very being. The Word of God can take your soul and your spirit and reshape it to conform for the better. It can take your very thoughts and set a new standard of right and wrong in your mind that can change your life. When you live those new thoughts, you become an example for changing other people and bring them to Christ.(Jackie D;52206)
oh really? Then you won't mind giving me the exact chapter and verse that told you the Law has been abolished?
hmmMind if I give it a whirl?
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oh really? Then you won't mind giving me the exact chapter and verse that told you the Law has been abolished?
hmmMind if I give it a whirl?
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. (Eph 2:14-18 KJV)
abolishedG2673καταργέωkatargeōkat-arg-eh'-oFrom G2596 and G691; to be (render) entirely idle (useless), literally or figuratively: - abolish, cease, cumber, deliver, destroy, do away, become (make) of no (none, without) effect, fail, loose, bring (come) to nought, put away (down), vanish away, make void.LawG3551νόμοςnomosnom'-osFrom a primary word νέμω nemō (to parcel out, especially food or grazing to animals); law (through the idea of prescriptive usage), generally (regulation), specifically (of Moses [including the volume]; also of the Gospel), or figuratively (a principle): - law.
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; (Col 2:13-14 KJV)
Blotting outG1813ἐξαλείφωexaleiphōex-al-i'-foFrom G1537 and G218; to smear out, that is, obliterate (erase tears, figuratively pardon sin): - blot out, wipe away.
(FoC;52236)
hmmMind if I give it a whirl?
And;That I must say was a great reply IF you where saying Jesus put an end to the law of commandments contained in ordinancesthe ordinances are not the same as the Ten Commandments.
hmmMind if I give it a whirl?
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. (Eph 2:14-18 KJV)
abolishedG2673καταργέωkatargeōkat-arg-eh'-oFrom G2596 and G691; to be (render) entirely idle (useless), literally or figuratively: - abolish, cease, cumber, deliver, destroy, do away, become (make) of no (none, without) effect, fail, loose, bring (come) to nought, put away (down), vanish away, make void.LawG3551νόμοςnomosnom'-osFrom a primary word νέμω nemō (to parcel out, especially food or grazing to animals); law (through the idea of prescriptive usage), generally (regulation), specifically (of Moses [including the volume]; also of the Gospel), or figuratively (a principle): - law.
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; (Col 2:13-14 KJV)
Blotting outG1813ἐξαλείφωexaleiphōex-al-i'-foFrom G1537 and G218; to smear out, that is, obliterate (erase tears, figuratively pardon sin): - blot out, wipe away.
the ordinances are not the same as the Ten Commandments.
Didnt say they were
jackie asked "Then you won't mind giving me the exact chapter and verse that told you the Law has been abolished?Not the 10 commandments.So my response answered what Jackie DID ask about...not what she didnt
Didnt say they were
(FoC;52244)
Didnt say they were
jackie asked "Then you won't mind giving me the exact chapter and verse that told you the Law has been abolished?Not the 10 commandments.So my response answered what Jackie DID ask about...not what she didnt
lol
thats a good one
my bad
Didnt say they were
lol
(Jackie D;52228)
so then we are in agreement that Christ did not fulfill all the law as we still live by the commandments of the law...which happen to include Shabat.Indeed works will not save us. But the Law stands
We do not agree. For Jesus came and fulilled all the law. Then He nailed it to the cross.. So therefore there is no more law for us as His bride to fulfill for He has already fulilled it. Because Paul even says if you put yourself under one of the Laws you are under the Whole law.. Jesus fulfilled all of the Law. Not just part or some but all. This is why our righteousness is now in Him and not in our works.
so then we are in agreement that Christ did not fulfill all the law as we still live by the commandments of the law...which happen to include Shabat.Indeed works will not save us. But the Law stands
We do not agree. For Jesus came and fulilled all the law. Then He nailed it to the cross.. So therefore there is no more law for us as His bride to fulfill for He has already fulilled it. Because Paul even says if you put yourself under one of the Laws you are under the Whole law.. Jesus fulfilled all of the Law. Not just part or some but all. This is why our righteousness is now in Him and not in our works.
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