I'm a little unsure of what you're saying here.
Are you saying God doesn't testify to proud people?
Or that proud people are proud and refuse the message?
Man has a part in his salvation=things to do, believe and say.
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Are you saying God doesn't testify to proud people?
Or that proud people are proud and refuse the message?
Waiting on him
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I’m not sure. But all good questions, makes me wonder why I’m contending with you??
CoreIssue
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Because the Bible denies it.
Total sanctification require our old nature flesh to be glorified first.
I never said anything about total sanctification. I just quoted scripture you must have misconstrued.
I'm not trying to tell you what to believe, and apologize if I was... admittedly I do get my feathers ruffled sometimes and am not always as gentle as I should be. I apologize in that case.
For me, this question is HUGELY important, in fact one of the most important questions out there.
If God doesn't testify to proud people, then they are doomed because he didn't testify. And to add the fact that he created that person in the first place, that means he made a person just to doom them, and is wholly responsible for the whole thing. To me, that's not remotely a God of love.
If God did testify to a proud person and the proud person choose to reject it, then their doom is not because God didn't love them. Rather, their doom is their own because they choose to serve mammon.
Foreknowledge of our choice of Him? then He didn't choose us...we chose Him.
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Waiting on him
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CoreIssue
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Little unsure what you're going for here, but it's okay if you don't have an answer to my question/thoughts. I was just expressing them, and totally acknowledge if you this isn't a question/thought you've had.
Again, I apologize for any bad behavior earlier.
So He looks down the corridor of time and sees those who will understand their need of a Saviour, and chooses them, not on the basis of their choice, but on the basis of their understanding of their need...which is in a sense faith...and therefore faith is not a choice?
CoreIssue
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We don't know if God can look through time or if he can simply extrapolate things down to the most minute detail. But either way he knows.
Same principle as John being shown the future. He was shown exacting details of things in the far distant future for him and people who did not exist yet.
Really not important how. What is important is that it is.
Of course faith is choice. You either trust or you don't. Believe or you don't. Assume or you don't.
If faith is a choice, and God's foreknowledge of whether we will have faith is the basis of His choosing us, then in all reality we chose Him first and His choice of us is based on our choice of Him. However, this is contrary to the scripture at hand (John 15:16).
In order for John 15:16 to be true, our choice of God needs to be based on His choice of us.
In order for John 15:16 to be true, our choice of God needs to be based on His choice of us.
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God first proclaimed he wants all to be saved. Then he acknowledged we have to want to be saved. Then he called and predestined those who love him and one be saved all the way to glorification.
There is no contradiction.
Not a single verse in the Bible says he predestined anyone to not be saved. Not a one.
He created St. as the most beautiful and powerful Angel in heaven. He appointed him as the crowning angel on the throne.
But at the same time he knew he would rebel.
Before one can be saved or Damed they first have to make that decision for real. You are not saved by for knowledge. You're not damned by foreknowled. You are damned or saved by your actual actions.
If Calvinism was true why bother with all this nonsense? Just create some people right in heaven the rest right in hell.
Actually, there is a passage that says that.
Jde 1:3, Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Jde 1:4, For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
It's not Calvinism, it's Biblical. You only choose God because He first convicted you. You didn't create the conviction in your own heart or raise yourself from the dead.
"Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you" (John 15.16).
"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." (John 6.37)
"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." (John 6.44)
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