Zachary
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Yes, absolutely true!
But, to qualify one must (1) love God, and (2) be called according to His purpose!
Please note that 4 times in John 14, Jesus said ...
"those who love me will keep (obey) My commandments!
What is a Christian?
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But, to qualify one must (1) love God, and (2) be called according to His purpose!
Please note that 4 times in John 14, Jesus said ...
"those who love me will keep (obey) My commandments!
Zachary
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That wasn't the purpose of my saying this, please keep things in context--
"I do agree with that verse. I do also feel a sense of caution though-- that my (or any other mortal's) view is limited. It is the fallen man tendency to so quickly classify things on outward markers, when we really don't see the whole picture (including the heart)."
Zachary
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Hereby lies an improved version (hopefully) of post #39 ...
Believe it or not ... the NT teaches us:
True saving faith = deep enduring heart belief
+ deep enduring trust + enduring obedience
Please note: "obedient to the faith" (NKJV)
in Acts 6:7 and Romans 1:5 and Romans 16:26.
Anyone care to see a page full of NT verses re: the necessity of enduring?
Anyone care to see a page full of NT verses re: the necessity of obedience?
There is no one word (in any language)
which encompasses everything that this word "believe" means.
Some Greek words can up to 40 different meanings, depending on the context.
Some Greek words have a slightly different meaning in the secular world than in the New Testament.
Don't take my word for it ... you need to research it for yourself.
Believe it or not ... the NT teaches us:
True saving faith = deep enduring heart belief
+ deep enduring trust + enduring obedience
Please note: "obedient to the faith" (NKJV)
in Acts 6:7 and Romans 1:5 and Romans 16:26.
Anyone care to see a page full of NT verses re: the necessity of enduring?
Anyone care to see a page full of NT verses re: the necessity of obedience?
There is no one word (in any language)
which encompasses everything that this word "believe" means.
Some Greek words can up to 40 different meanings, depending on the context.
Some Greek words have a slightly different meaning in the secular world than in the New Testament.
Don't take my word for it ... you need to research it for yourself.
Zachary
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FYI, the vast majority in N.A. churches are involved in habitual (unrepentant) sin!
Which means they are NO longer righteous in the eyes of God, and are NOT headed for heaven!
How many dozens of dire warnings in the NT would you like to see?
One of my favs is Revelation 21:7-8, which applies to everyone on the face of the earth.
Does that apply to you, i.e. do you live on this earth?
Zachary
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Thou artest indeed the janest of all does that I have encountered!
Congratulations!
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If I were to give your answer to a 5 year old, they would have so many questions to ask afterwards. Please try to make an effort to give a clear answer. Thanks.
In peace
In reading your posts I sense more condemnation then hope. More of self-righteousness than the imputed righteousness of Christ by faith.
Why do you think that is?
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Zachary
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An evangelist preaches the Truth in the hope it might save someone.
BACs involved in habitual (unrepentant) sin are condemned to hell
... unless they see the light re: their folly ... and sincerely repent.
Why do you think that is?
Because the NT says so, even promises so, even threatens so!
That part of the reason for presenting the Scriptures that tell us who or what is a Christian. There will be many questions and they need biblical answers.
No one will dispute that. But on what grounds EXACTLY does God make sinners into children of God? That is what you seem to have missed.
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As great as it sounds, and as worthy a cause as it may be to try and pull all Christians together as they were in the beginning, I'm not sure it is possible this side of heaven. Back then, when it was new, there were not many Christians, and when they had a doctrinal question, they asked...those who wrote scripture!
And, when it comes to the denominations, it's not that we don't agree on Jesus, so much, it's that we don't agree on many of the other doctrines. Although...it sort of seems we're having trouble defining what a 'Christian' is...so, well...maybe this is a helpful exercise!
Ok...I'll do my best.
A Christian is someone who has come to the realisation that he or she is sinful:
What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, as it is written:
“None is righteous, no, not one;
no one understands;
no one seeks for God. -Romans 3:9–11
This is not because we have become wise, but because God, in his loving wisdom and mercy, has opened our eyes to the truth, because he has determined, beforehand, that he will extend grace to us:
For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. -Romans 8:29–30
..even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, -Ephesians 1:4–5
We heard the gospel (good news) of salvation...the death of Christ in our place for our sins:
In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace,...In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory. -Ephesians 1:7,13–14
When we accept Christ as Savior...that he died in our place, for our sins, and declare him Lord of our lives, we are sealed (granted to have within us) the Holy Spirit as guarantee, assuring us that all promises in scripture will be carried out in the fullness of time, at Christ's return. And in the meantime, we live with and through the Holy Spirit, becoming more Christlike and doing good works...not for our salvation, but because we have it.
But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. -Ephesians 2:4–10
There is preaching the Truth, and then there is preaching the Truth. You preach the Truth with rocks in your hand. I would rather hear it from one Who wrote on the ground. (John 8:1-11)
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Zachary
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Yes, indeed, you have missed it ...
Revelation 21:7-8
"He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
BUT the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
This applies to you as much as it applies to anyone.
For example,
+++ If you end up being a habitual (unrepentant) sinner,
you will be toast.
+++ If you are a coward by falling away during Christian persecution,
and/or by submitting to taking the mark of the beast,
you will be toast.
Please notice cowards are in the same list as unbelievers and all habitual sinners!
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Zachary
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Not so. I am saying the truth coming from you is condemning. The truth coming from Christ is full of hope.
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Zachary
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I am saying the truth coming from me is NT Scriptures.
I am saying that people who don't like those Scriptures
have very troubling reasons for not liking those Scriptures.
If you would like hope for yourself ...
just ask and I will tell you what you need to hear and understand and do.
Jesus told His disciples to present the gospel truth,
and if people reject it, shake the dust off their feet and move on.
If a person is ready, the Holy Spirit will be successful in His efforts.
If a person is not ready, the Holy Spirit will not be successful in His efforts.
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