Noah's ark, question

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Wakka

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Was it every kind of animal, or every kind of land animal (that includes birds of the air). Do fish fall into the category?
 

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Genesis 7 - 2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. 3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth. 8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earthNot sure what the "clean beasts" are here.But then Genesis 6 says - 17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
 

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Genesis 7 - 2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. 3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth. 8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earthNot sure what the "clean beasts" are here.But then Genesis 6 says - 17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
I can imagine it being of every kind. Not every species.Clean animals would be cows, sheep, etc. Unclean would be pigs, etc. (because they eat the dirtiest junk on earth).Now it says of every animal that creepeth on earth. I guess that excludes fish.
 

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Well, I'm sure that most of the time that when the Bible mention's "The Earth", that it is not talking about the "planet" Earth, that It's talking about the land, and I think that there's always a distinction with the "Seas". I could be wrong though.
 

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I can imagine it being of every kind. Not every species.Clean animals would be cows, sheep, etc. Unclean would be pigs, etc. (because they eat the dirtiest junk on earth).Now it says of every animal that creepeth on earth. I guess that excludes fish.
Very good. This is where many get confused. "species" is a man made word... made by Evolutionists who have tried to explain the variations in KINDS of animals.Exactly. Fish were in the water. We have fresh water fish and salt water fish, but I argue that before the flood... all there was was fresh water. It wasn't until the flood that all of this got TOTALLY rearranged, and fish (along with all other life) adapted to their new environment.Noah took one of every KIND onto the ark. That means, he took two dogs onto the ark. This dog contained all of the genetic material for producing all of the other variations of dogs that would come from it. For all we know... Dogs didn't "come out" like they do today when they were born. Perhaps they were all a little different? Perhaps a rottwiler-like dog would come out of a chocolate lab-like dog, given it's varying genetic makeup that would allow. Now dogs are so bred that you know exactly what you are going to get, because of the breeding out of genetic code. The original must have been magnificent.It is very possible, and God will give un insight into just HOW He did it someday, but for now... we just trust His Word
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I am not sure about this...but if you have rain on the whole planet for 40 days and nights straight, there aren't much vapor in atmosphere and probably the planet became exposed to slight radiation...just an idea...
 

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I am not sure about this...but if you have rain on the whole planet for 40 days and nights straight, there aren't much vapor in atmosphere and probably the planet became exposed to slight radiation...just an idea...
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I guess that excludes fish.
Noah also had fish, otherwise they would have drowned in the flood.
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I am not sure about this...but if you have rain on the whole planet for 40 days and nights straight, there aren't much vapor in atmosphere and probably the planet became exposed to slight radiation...just an idea...
There's an interesting theory in which I embrace. That's the possibility that the earth had a canopy water atmosphere and that is what broke. If there was such a canopy of H2O, then some of the UV and other harmful radiation would have been filtered out, and that may be why men in the bible lived so long.Once the canopy broke, then the thinner atmosphere we have now would allow more dangerous radiation to get thru and make us age faster.On a similar note, scientists often talk about the planet Mars as if it once had a thicker atmosphere also. Sometimes I wonder if some sort of major catastrophe happened in the solar system that changed the planets in some form or another.
 

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Exactly. Fish were in the water. We have fresh water fish and salt water fish, but I argue that before the flood... all there was was fresh water. It wasn't until the flood that all of this got TOTALLY rearranged, and fish (along with all other life) adapted to their new environment.
I know we haven't been agreeing very much lately and I do not mean to pick on you by any means but when you mention adaption an evolutionist would jump on that and say it is evolution. Actually what you say here would be exactly the definition of evolution. That species adapt to their environment. however there is a different theory on the salt water (oceans) fresh water debate.All the waters falling from the heavens would have been FRESH water. Because salt water is denser than fresh water, a large fresh water "lens" would have formed on top of the flood, especially over submerged continental areas and oceanic areas distant from the points of surface eruption and agitation. This fact can go a long way in accounting for the survival of fresh water fish and some trees. The Bible says that at least one olive tree survived in the earth and sprouted fresh leaves after the flood waters subsided (see Genesis 8:11).TIM, may I ask how thick was this canopy?
 

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I know we haven't been agreeing very much lately and I do not mean to pick on you by any means but when you mention adaption an evolutionist would jump on that and say it is evolution. Actually what you say here would be exactly the definition of evolution. That species adapt to their environment.
That's fine, they can jump on it if they want, I usually count on it. It just gives me an oppertunity to clarify their misunderstanding on my beliefs and theirs. I'll just end up agreeing with them that things do evolve, and disagreeing with them that things have been evolving over millions of years. We were created to adapt and evolve in our environment. God gave life the ability to survive through all kinds of circumstance and difficulties (of course, there are limits). Evolution simply means change over time. Evolution is true. The word usually is completely misunderstood.The Theory of Evolution, however, that says we have been evolving over millions of years (from apes and beyond), is untrue.We believe things have been adapting and evolving every since God made man fully formed 6-7 thousand years ago. If a person denies this evolution they don't know what they are takling about. The Evolutionist who believes in the Theory of Evolution, however, beleives we have been evolving for much much longer and does not require Adam or Eve... and they are wrong.It is not evolution that is the enemy... it is The Theory of Evolution that is the enemy. It would do many fellow Christians good to understand this.