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Where in this are you seeing a Scripture identifying YHWH as "the Father"? I don't see it. You are just running me in circles without giving an actual answer.
Much love!
Mark
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Where in this are you seeing a Scripture identifying YHWH as "the Father"? I don't see it. You are just running me in circles without giving an actual answer.
Much love!
Mark
Mark I'm glad you're asking question, this is the correct way to approach a discussion.
we will make it simple and straight to the point. connect the dot.. no we mean the LORD.
listen. Genesis 17:1 "And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect".
clearly the LORD is the "Almighty". now my question, who is the Almighty? thank you, for the Almighty said "I", which is a single desigination, meaning ONE PERSON. follow so far. now the revelation he who is the LORD is the FATHER.
now the LORD is the Almighty who is described as ONE PERSON, the Almighty, meaning he's the SOURCE of all things. supportive scripture, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself".
now since you asked the right question we will give you the correct answer. by making and creating "all things", yes, he created all things, (Isaiah 45:18), he is called "FATHER" which is a "title". let's prove this, James 1:17 "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning". Father of Lights? ...
here in the book of James, God is describe as the "FATHER" of lights. WHAT LIGHTS? while you're online, go to the blue letter bible, and look up the word "Father", or G3962 πατήρ pater (pa-teer'), here's the link, Genesis 1:1 (KJV)
now, come down to "Outline of Biblical Usage [?]". read all the definition on how "father" is used in the bible. but pay attention to outline III,
III. God is called the Father
of the stars, the heavenly luminaries, because he is their creator, upholder, ruler
and the term luminaries, or luminary, according to dictionary.com is, a celestial body, as the sun or moon. hold it why is God called, called, called, the "Father" of the stars, and the heavenly luminaries? because he's their "CREATOR" see, "Father" is a title of the PERSON who is the CREATOR, and MAKER of all things. just as "Jabal" is the "father" of those who dwells in tents, because he was the first do dwell in tents. Genesis 4:20 "And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle".
so God is called the "Father" of the sun and the moon, because he created and made them. see "Father" is a title, and not a person. "Father" is a title of a PERSON.
that's why in Psalms 148:1 "Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights.
Psalms 148:2 "Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts.
Psalms 148:3 "Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light". Stars of "LIGHT", hence the reason why he, is called, the "Father" of LIGHTS". because he created them, just like us he created and MADE us. scripture, Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth". and NOTHING was made unless he made it.
John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made". so it was the LORD who made everything, and it is JESUS who made all thing, which makes JESUS the LORD the creator, and maker of all things.
conclusion, "Father" is simply a TITLE for a PERSON, and NOT a PERSON itself. and that Person is the Lord JESUS who made and created all things. see it now.
for the WORD who is Jesus "MADE" all things, hence "his" title, "Father".
PICJAG
Simplify please.
Because if I just go with the Scriptures you are posting, I don't see you assertion supported:
Genesis 17:1 "And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect".
clearly the LORD is the "Almighty". now my question, who is the Almighty? thank you, for the Almighty said "I", which is a single desigination, meaning ONE PERSON. follow so far. now the revelation he who is the LORD is the FATHER.
Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself".
(Isaiah 45:18) For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.
James 1:17 "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning".
Genesis 4:20 "And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle".
Psalms 148:1 "Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights.
Psalms 148:2 "Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts.
Psalms 148:3 "Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light"
Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth". and NOTHING was made unless he made it.
John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made". so it was the LORD who made everything, and it is JESUS who made all thing, which makes JESUS the LORD the creator, and maker of all things.
You've made a argument for how the Father is the creator and the creator is Jesus, therefore Father means "Father" in name only, but not the way we think of a father.
Not the father who would say something like, you are my son, today I've begotten you, you're saying, that based on these passages, YHWH is Father, but not a real father, more like an honorary father, in name only.
But I don't see a single verse in what you've posted that actually says that YHWH is the Father.
And even if I grant your argument, the I have to consider that such honorary titles can be conferred, as it were. If Jabal can be the father of those who live in tents, and Jesus can be the Father of lights, and the Father of eternity, then Jesus can still speak of His Father in heaven.
The One Who called Jesus His Son.
much love!
Mark
Because if I just go with the Scriptures you are posting, I don't see you assertion supported:
Genesis 17:1 "And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect".
clearly the LORD is the "Almighty". now my question, who is the Almighty? thank you, for the Almighty said "I", which is a single desigination, meaning ONE PERSON. follow so far. now the revelation he who is the LORD is the FATHER.
Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself".
(Isaiah 45:18) For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.
James 1:17 "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning".
Genesis 4:20 "And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle".
Psalms 148:1 "Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights.
Psalms 148:2 "Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts.
Psalms 148:3 "Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light"
Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth". and NOTHING was made unless he made it.
John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made". so it was the LORD who made everything, and it is JESUS who made all thing, which makes JESUS the LORD the creator, and maker of all things.
You've made a argument for how the Father is the creator and the creator is Jesus, therefore Father means "Father" in name only, but not the way we think of a father.
Not the father who would say something like, you are my son, today I've begotten you, you're saying, that based on these passages, YHWH is Father, but not a real father, more like an honorary father, in name only.
But I don't see a single verse in what you've posted that actually says that YHWH is the Father.
And even if I grant your argument, the I have to consider that such honorary titles can be conferred, as it were. If Jabal can be the father of those who live in tents, and Jesus can be the Father of lights, and the Father of eternity, then Jesus can still speak of His Father in heaven.
The One Who called Jesus His Son.
much love!
Mark
let's see?. scripture, Genesis 17:1 "And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect".
the LORD is the GOD who is the CREATOR in Genesis 1:1 and "the" is the definite article. which meand God is a single "PERSON" who is the ONLY CREATOR and MAKER.
see it now?
PICJAG.
If you stray from the Chalcedon definition, you end up where you are today. A god with a split personality that you call "diversified oneness".ERROR, Hebrews 2:14 "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil".
now this, 2 Peter 1:4 "Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust".
dave, do you know the difference between "took part" and "Partake"........ (smile). if not find out, and that will answer the Nature problem you have...
PICJAG.
Why? It's not there.
You're going in circles. Thank you for the discussion!
Much love!
Mark
The Modalists at least presented God as sane. Implying he had his right mind when acting as the Father. Or when acting like the Son. Or when acting like the Holy Spirit. But you are off the rails completely. Depicting god as crazy. Having a split personality you call "diversified oneness". Try telling the local mental health service their clients are merely "diversified oneness" and not split personalities. They'll be chasing you with a butterfly net.these are terms in the scriptures.. dismissed...
PICJAG.
it's there, you just cannot see it. when one has been indoctrinated one way all their life, it's hard to see the TRUTH. I was the same way.
now when you get serious and study what has been posted, and go to the Lord in prayer then you will see the Light, but not until then.
and two, this might not be for you. my job is to present it, so that there will be no excuses at the judgement seat of christ. "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie", 2 Thessalonians 2:11. why? the verse before this one, 2 Thessalonians 2:10 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved".
as I said we rest in Revelation 22:11.
PICJAG.
I'll simply stay with the simplicity of the Word:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
A Father spoke to His Son.
And as far as your warning, be careful that you don't declare guilty the one whom God holds innocent.
Much love!
mark
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
A Father spoke to His Son.
And as far as your warning, be careful that you don't declare guilty the one whom God holds innocent.
Much love!
mark
that's your choice. no problem, but we know one thing, this will be in your mind and on your heart, because you was told.
PICJAG.
have a good day.
You would make the Modalists blush with your depiction of God being a split personality, and then trying to call it "Diversified Oneness". At least they depicted God as sane, only pretending to be the Father at times, and pretending to be the Son or Holy Spirit at times. And as crazy as they are, you beat them hands down. With your "split personality" attempt at explaining the trinity whom you know to exist. Or you wouldn't oppose God so much trying to explain him away.Modalists? we leave you to reconcile your Post #590 and Post #4. ...
PICJAG
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SovereignGrace
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We see the Christ(God the Son) being baptized, God the Spirit coming down upon Him, and God the Father saying “This is My Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
In John 17, the Christ was praying to His Father.
God is a triune Godhead.
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