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I most certainly have digested those verses.

Here is something for you to read and digest.

Wet Paint Principle (Freedom)

It shows forth what those verses mean in conjunction with the rest of the Bible, among other things.
Yes, you do understand Rom. 7. I must have read your post wrong. You are correct, in that we keep his commandments by the support of His Holy Spirit, and not by our willful keeping of them verbatim.
Jews, SDA do not know that Jesus our rest/sabbath. Not once a week, but every day and into eternity.
Sorry for the error on my part.
In His Peace,
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I don't pretend to know everything there is to know. But I know I am a believer in my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. And yes, there are many different beliefs and everything. I think it sometimes confuses me as I try to hear God's voice and block out the noises around me. I think that is why I come to forums. To learn who to listen too. God alone. I know genuine believers when I see them. Then sometimes I can't tell. I see a long record of wrongs listed here. VictoryinJesus has a point...love is the greatest commandment. And 1 Corinthians says love is patient, kind, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered...etc...but I agree at some point you have to walk away if you feel it is hurting you spiritually or it isn't going anywhere. I wish you the best and hope that God blesses and teaches you wherever your journey leads. I hope you can reach others for Christ, because the end is near for sure!
 

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I don't pretend to know everything there is to know. But I know I am a believer in my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. And yes, there are many different beliefs and everything. I think it sometimes confuses me as I try to hear God's voice and block out the noises around me. I think that is why I come to forums. To learn who to listen too. God alone. I know genuine believers when I see them. Then sometimes I can't tell. I see a long record of wrongs listed here. VictoryinJesus has a point...love is the greatest commandment. And 1 Corinthians says love is patient, kind, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered...etc...but I agree at some point you have to walk away if you feel it is hurting you spiritually or it isn't going anywhere. I wish you the best and hope that God blesses and teaches you wherever your journey leads. I hope you can reach others for Christ, because the end is near for sure!
I am new here (a month?), so I am not the one saying "I am done". I have been a born again christian for 40+ years. Thanks for the encouragement though! I am very " thick skinned", and don't get rattled easily.
 
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I am new here (a month?), so I am not the one saying "I am done". I have been a born again christian for 40+ years. Thanks for the encouragement though! I am very " thick skinned", and don't get rattled easily.

Hehe I guess I should have posted "to OP", but welcome to the forum Earburner. I am glad this encouraged you!
 

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You mix the religion of SATAN with the Gospel. The devil has convinced you that breaking God's law is acceptable to God, even though such behavior cost the infinite sacrifice of His own dear Son. "How long will ye simple ones be simple?"
That is your statement not any body elses. But if you think God is going to smack you over the head with a big stick when you mess you, than you dont know God and you dont know grace. It is the religious people liek you that drive peopele away from Christ, because you make God out to be like the boogy man.
 

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Yep those in Christ, and we gentiles where never and are not ever under the law, By grace we are saved, end of story.

1Co 9:19, For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
1Co 9:20, And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
1Co 9:21, To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
1Co 9:22, To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
1Co 9:23, And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

Paul was in Christ, and he was under the law to Christ.

And also, it is not merely being a Gentile that makes a person not under the law, what makes a person not under the law is faith in Christ; the law applies to all those who are not in Christ. And even if it doesn't, those who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law (Romans 2:12). And it remains that sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4). So even without the law, Gentiles will perish for their sin, which is the transgression of the law. Therefore the law does indeed apply to Gentiles as a standard of righteousness.

So then, how is the person in Christ both under the law to Christ and also not under the law?

The answer is, we are under the law to Christ, simply in that we are governed by the moral principles of the law (Romans 8:4, Romans 8:7; Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16; Romans 5:5 w/ Romans 13:8-10, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Galatians 5:14).

We are not under the law, in that we will no longer be condemned for failing to measure up to it, in that we are forgiven, and in that there is no more condemnation for us (John 5:24, Romans 8:1, Romans 4:7-8).
 
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1Co 9:19, For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
1Co 9:20, And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
1Co 9:21, To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
1Co 9:22, To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
1Co 9:23, And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

Paul was in Christ, and he was under the law to Christ.

And also, it is not merely being a Gentile that makes a person not under the law, what makes a person not under the law is faith in Christ; the law applies to all those who are not in Christ. And even if it doesn't, those who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law (Romans 2:12). And it remains that sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4). So even without the law, Gentiles will perish for their sin, which is the transgression of the law. Therefore the law does indeed apply to Gentiles as a standard of righteousness.

So then, how is the person in Christ both under the law to Christ and also not under the law?

The answer is, we are under the law to Christ, simply in that we are governed by the moral principles of the law (Romans 8:4, Romans 8:7; Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16; Romans 5:5 w/ Romans 13:8-10, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Galatians 5:14).

We are not under the law, in that we will no longer be condemned for failing to measure up to it, in that we are forgiven, and in that there is no more condemnation for us (John 5:25, Romans 8:1, Romans 4:7-8).
No He wasnt you have so little understanding, why do you think he wrote of the "religiious" who where following Him trying to put the converted under the law.

Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
Act 15:25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
Act 15:26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Act 15:27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

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Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
Act 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Can you religious people please let God do His works instead on insisting you condemn the whole world along with yourselves.
 

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In Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, it is clear that the New Covenant is that God will write His laws on our hearts and in our minds.

In Romans 8:4, it is clear that those who live by the Spirit, the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in us.

In Romans 8:7, if we are not carnally-minded, we are subject in our minds to the law of the Lord.
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In Romans 5:5, the love of the Lord is shed abroad in our hearts through the Holy Ghost who is given to us.

In 1 John 3:18, this love is not in word or in tongue only, but in deed and in truth.

In Romans 13:8-10 (kjv), Galatians 5:14, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, this love is the fulfilling of the law; and this means that the specifics of the law are the specifics of God's love.
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In Galatians 5:22-23, it is clear that if we bear the fruit of love, joy, peace, etc, that there is no law that will condemn us for our behaviour; and this indicates that we become "law-abiding" as the result of being filled with the Spirit and bearing His fruit in our lives.
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The law is a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ according to Psalms 19:7 (kjv), Romans 3:20, and Galatians 3:24-25.
 
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I am sorry you have had negative experiences. That does not transfer to this situation.
This poster is not a Christian and is delusional ,thinking he has a special call to start a cult like group who shares his views.
As he has a stated position to deliver us to satan, I think we are now informed as to how to deal with this.
This is not a Christian overtaken in a fault.
You should not apply those verses to a non believer who calls the teaching of the trinity,a dumb lie.
Yes it does transfer to this situation. I know what it's like to be hurt by "Christians." This is not Christlike behavior. Do you think Christ approves of us belittling that man? If so we aren't familiar with our bibles.

"Little children, I am with you only a little while longer. You will look for Me, and as I said to the Jews, so now I say to you: ‘Where I am going, you cannot come.’ A new commandment I give you:Love one another. As I have loved you, so also youmust love one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you love one another.” - John 13:34

"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" - Luke 6:46

You are taking a lot on yourself by claiming he's not a believer. I could use the same argument that you and others aren't true believers because of how you're being cruel to someone on a Christian forum. One thing I learned by being in multiple churches: the faces changed but "Christians" lie to themselves. God desires truth in our inmost beings and if we faced the truth we know Christ doesn't approve of mistreating another, especially someone who did you no real harm. It would be another story if the man really harmed you in some serious way, but he hasn't. Nothing he did warrants such scorn. The only reason people do it is because there's a group think, and when someone calls you out on it you defend a bad position. And if that man isn't a Christian, wouldn't love draw him rather than scorn? And if he is a true believer than we'd better repent because Christ told us that he was going to take vengeance upon those who do wrong to a believer.
 

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Sometimes people encourage one another in their sin. It doesn't change the fact that it is sin. Just because several people agree to make themselves feel better, doesn't make it any less of a sin. It's works of the flesh:

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

You must be perfect and never did anything wrong. How can you point out the OP's alleged wrongdoing yet not see your own?

Matthew 7:3-5
Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Are you being tenderhearted towards the OP according to Scripture?

Ephesians 4:32
Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.

Are you bearing with the OP?

Colossians 3:13
Bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive.

Are you judging the OP?

Matthew 7:1
“Judge not, that you be not judged.

Are you giving "approval" to another who practices sin?

Romans 1:28-32
And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks:

Matthew 12:34 You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
 

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Yes it does transfer to this situation. I know what it's like to be hurt by "Christians." This is not Christlike behavior. Do you think Christ approves of us belittling that man? If so we aren't familiar with our bibles.

"Little children, I am with you only a little while longer. You will look for Me, and as I said to the Jews, so now I say to you: ‘Where I am going, you cannot come.’ A new commandment I give you:Love one another. As I have loved you, so also youmust love one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you love one another.” - John 13:34

"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" - Luke 6:46

You are taking a lot on yourself by claiming he's not a believer. I could use the same argument that you and others aren't true believers because of how you're being cruel to someone on a Christian forum. One thing I learned by being in multiple churches: the faces changed but "Christians" lie to themselves. God desires truth in our inmost beings and if we faced the truth we know Christ doesn't approve of mistreating another, especially someone who did you no real harm. It would be another story if the man really harmed you in some serious way, but he hasn't. Nothing he did warrants such scorn. The only reason people do it is because there's a group think, and when someone calls you out on it you defend a bad position. And if that man isn't a Christian, wouldn't love draw him rather than scorn? And if he is a true believer than we'd better repent because Christ told us that he was going to take vengeance upon those who do wrong to a believer.
I am sorry you feel the way you do.
A person calling the trinity a lie is not a Christian..1j 4:1-4...is clear on this...it is the Spirit of antichrist...not of God.
1tim2:15-18 goes against you ideas as he calls their teaching cancer.
Notice also Paul's lack of love towards Alexander the coppersmith in 1 tim4:14,15...says he did him much evil and pronounced a curse upon him
Maybe he should have consulted you first?
2jn2:7,9,10..vs11. He that bids him Godspeed is partaker of his evil deeds.
The book of Jude warns of such persons...take a look.
 

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We can always justify ourselves by use of the scriptures when they condemn us as a whole...

If I am going to err, Lord, let me err on the side of love and compassion and forgiveness!

And also, Lord, let me not fail to warn the sinner of the fires of hell when that is what is needed.
 

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We can always justify ourselves by use of the scriptures when they condemn us as a whole...

If I am going to err, Lord, let me err on the side of love and compassion and forgiveness!

And also, Lord, let me not fail to warn the sinner of the fires of hell when that is what is needed.
No kidding, lol.
Wait you are presenting an oxymoron there on purpose, right?
 

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No kidding, lol.
Wait you are presenting an oxymoron there on purpose, right?
If a blind man is heading towards the edge of a cliff and there is lava flowing over the edge, I think it would be in accordance with love, forgiveness, and compassion to tackle that blind man and make sure he walks in the opposite direction.
 
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If a blind man is heading towards the edge of a cliff and there is lava flowing over the edge, I think it would be in accordance with love, forgiveness, and compassion to tackle that blind man and make sure he walks in the opposite direction.
Well, the violent have been forcing their way in since forever I guess, I mean wadr have you figgered out how to make horses drink too? Your blind guy can't hear a warning, or feel the heat iow?

If you will just present your reasoning for warning "a sinner" of "the fires of hell" I'm sure we can easily find plenty of Scripture to instruct us as to why if you dig a pit for someone else you end up in it yourself JbF
 
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Not to belabor this too much, but since these usually evince no reply, it should be immediately obvious that one would first have to have Judged someone a sinner, right. Now, if your brother sins against you, I guess it is at least fair to ask why your formula there is not included in the passage? Not meaning to imply that there is no place for your concept, understand, but that it is usually misplaced.

Hopefully the illustration here wherein you are proposed as the sinner in need of salvation from the fires of hell will suffice, and now surely you will be heeding my warning I guess right? It's self-serving crap iow, wadr
 

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No! You missed my understanding. The invisible church consists of born again Christians (the wheat), and are in everyone of the visible churches, which are being controlled by the scholarly learned (the tares).
If you’re invisible, ain’t it kinda hard to “let your light so shine before men”???

Trust me, the Church shines the brightest when the world is darkest. If no one can see you, you’re on the wrong side.
 

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That is your statement not any body elses. But if you think God is going to smack you over the head with a big stick when you mess you, than you dont know God and you dont know grace. It is the religious people liek you that drive peopele away from Christ, because you make God out to be like the boogy man.
if you think God is going to forever put up with a rebellious heart who worships in VAIN, then you know nothing about God.