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You can't choose the God I serve. He will find you and change you. That is what separates Him form any other 'myth'. Only He can effect your soul and regenerate you. And I pray that that is His plan for your life.
Hi mjh though this may help

Greek: ἀγνοέω
Transliteration: agnoeō
Pronunciation: ag-no-eh'-o
Definition: From G1 (as a negative particle) and G3539; not to know (through lack of information or intelligence); by implication to ignore (through disinclination): - (be) ignorant (-ly) not know not understand unknown.
KJV Usage: be ignorant (7x), ignorant (4x), know not (4x), understand not (3x), ignorantly (2x), unknown (2x).
Occurs: 25
In verses: 21
This is what he is proclaiming the word agnostic is derived from a proclamation of ignorance. This is why Paul begins a lot of his scripture stating. I would not that you be agnostic
 

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Unfortunately, what people have decided is real may not be. How accurate are the five carnal senses? How accurate is the reasoning process of our brains? Do we presume that those things perceived by the five senses and a supposedly rational mind are correct? Why?

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jerem 10:23
Once you find (the world) rational thinking and logic, like an adult iow, you are I guess doomed until you change your mind huh. Rational thinkers think more dialectically as they mature; dialectic thinkers do not think more rationally as they mature
 
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Hi mjh though this may help

Greek: ἀγνοέω
Transliteration: agnoeō
Pronunciation: ag-no-eh'-o
Definition: From G1 (as a negative particle) and G3539; not to know (through lack of information or intelligence); by implication to ignore (through disinclination): - (be) ignorant (-ly) not know not understand unknown.
KJV Usage: be ignorant (7x), ignorant (4x), know not (4x), understand not (3x), ignorantly (2x), unknown (2x).
Occurs: 25
In verses: 21
This is what he is proclaiming the word agnostic is derived from a proclamation of ignorance. This is why Paul begins a lot of his scripture stating. I would not that you be agnostic
i guess we use that term as a slur now, but God remains unknown anyway, we might only know of God iow. We are all Agnostic in that sense imo, or at least we certainly all start there?
 

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i guess we use that term as a slur now, but God remains unknown anyway, we might only know of God iow. We are all Agnostic in that sense imo, or at least we certainly all start there?
I don’tknow it seems Paul is indicating that we don’t have to be ignorant
 

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For this I like to point out that Jesus broke pretty much every ordinance and was deemed a sinner by many, even though He did not break any Commandments, but rather honored them over the ordinances. So iow an exact representation of us, how we believe ourselves to really be, at heart? The incident of supposedly claiming to be God is pivotal here imo, but i don't think we could get into that here
Even to say that Jesus did break the ordinances or that he did not break any Commandments, is quite a statement, isn't it? Would we have to go through the Book, word by word or phrase by phrase sifting carefully to decide these things... or do we simply begin with nothing exception the statement by faith those things are true about Jesus?

I can use my words and my logic to argue any point with you, but even if my result sounds better to most observers or to the smartest [whose definition?] observers, we are left effectively hanging for a final and correct result, are we not?

God works better than that, but we cannot know even in part how He works without Him allowing it... or?

I do believe God, but what I believe is not transferrable unless God is in the transfer.
 
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There's no way of anything, we are all in the same spot. You can't think that reason and logic does not apply when validating truth claims. You're suggesting I turn off my thinking brain (Which was given to me) to decide what's real or not.
Your brain was given to you, but your mind has been trained a certain way wadr, that an Easterner who reasons dialectically does not even understand, the same way you did not understand adults when you were a little kid!
 

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Even to say that Jesus did break the ordinances or that he did not break any Commandments, is quite a statement, isn't it? Would we have to go through the Book, word by word or phrase by phrase sifting carefully to decide these things... or do we simply begin with nothing exception the statement by faith those things are true about Jesus?

I can use my words and my logic to argue any point with you, but even if my result sounds better to most observers or to the smartest [whose definition?] observers, we are left effectively hanging for a final and correct result, are we not?

God works better than that, but we cannot know even in part how He works without Him allowing it... or?

I do believe God, but what I believe is not transferrable unless God is in the transfer.
All the law is fulfilled in loving your neighbor as yourself. Do you think Jesus fully fulfilled this command?
 

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Even to say that Jesus did break the ordinances or that he did not break any Commandments, is quite a statement, isn't it? Would we have to go through the Book, word by word or phrase by phrase sifting carefully to decide these things... or do we simply begin with nothing exception the statement by faith those things are true about Jesus?

I can use my words and my logic to argue any point with you, but even if my result sounds better to most observers or to the smartest [whose definition?] observers, we are left effectively hanging for a final and correct result, are we not?

God works better than that, but we cannot know even in part how He works without Him allowing it... or?

I do believe God, but what I believe is not transferrable unless God is in the transfer.
well, Jesus did not have to confess, and we sure don't like to either I guess huh...I have a good one for this, see if I can find it
 
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All the law is fulfilled in loving your neighbor as yourself. Do you think Jesus fully fulfilled this command?
I believe that he did, but could I prove that to an unbeliever or to a believer who disagreed with me on that point?

"I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase." I Cor 3:6
 
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I believe that he did, but could I prove that to an unbeliever or to a believer who disagreed with me on that point?

"I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase." I Cor 3:6
Yes he has to give the increase. This could be also viewed in the parable of the talents where the servants are proclaiming their increase.
 
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Iow get ready to fast ;)
Waiting on it...
the prob is we are going to end up @ "Jesus of Nazareth effectively means John Doe out of Nowhere" so it might be better to just google that, quotes and all

You are maybe already aware of the difficulty in finding an inhabited place called "Nazareth" particularly in that century, if finding them there earlier and later is easy...and etc

effectively the "Son of Man" is exactly as advertised, which is why pick up your own cross and follow, don't be deceived little children, and all the other vv most Christians avoid, bc Nehushtan, or give us a king, or Hegelian Dialectic, Spiritual Soldier, even The Emperors New Clothes I guess
 
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but still I have found nothing that proves or disproves God.

Just maybe if you walk into a large seafood Co Op and see the Magnificant Array of seafood we have on offer to eat.
Then Walk to a Florest wholesalers and admire the Wondefull colors and Varietys of Flowers.
Then To the Fruit Wholesalers and see the Amazing smells and Vibrant colors and tastes of Fruit and Vegetables on Offer.
And think about the Minerals that consist to create you Vehicle, the Iron, the Copper, the Zinc, the Alloy, Magnesium, Gold, Platnum,
Mercury, chromium- Silicon, etc etc, and the Pets that keep us company and offer unconditional Love.
Then Ponder the Milky way Galaxy we live in, and no other Planet Supports life, in our Solar system,
and non can be found from the thousands/millions of Planets out there.
Then Tell me, we Just Happened.
Let me ask you something Fellow Australian - Spoilt Freind.
If you spent all day and night, collecting Ingredients, grinding them, mixing them, weighing the Portions,
and Baking a Amazing meal For your Guests, and when they had wiped there mouths clean after the meal,
and swallowed down a glass of cider you Brewed over months of care, and they look at you and say.
HA! you never made all that, i find that very hard to Believe Ha!
How do you Feel????
That's How God Feels.
 

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Iow get ready to fast ;)

the prob is we are going to end up @ "Jesus of Nazareth effectively means John Doe out of Nowhere" so it might be better to just google that, quotes and all

You are maybe already aware of the difficulty in finding an inhabited place called "Nazareth" particularly in that century, if finding them there earlier and later is easy...and etc

effectively the "Son of Man" is exactly as advertised, which is why pick up your own cross and follow, don't be deceived little children, and all the other vv most Christians avoid, bc Nehushtan, or give us a king, or Hegelian Dialectic, Spiritual Soldier, even The Emperors New Clothes I guess
note that all are still drawn, Christ is still risen, etc
 
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Iow get ready to fast ;)

the prob is we are going to end up @ "Jesus of Nazareth effectively means John Doe out of Nowhere" so it might be better to just google that, quotes and all

You are maybe already aware of the difficulty in finding an inhabited place called "Nazareth" particularly in that century, if finding them there earlier and later is easy...and etc

effectively the "Son of Man" is exactly as advertised, which is why pick up your own cross and follow, don't be deceived little children, and all the other vv most Christians avoid, bc Nehushtan, or give us a king, or Hegelian Dialectic, Spiritual Soldier, even The Emperors New Clothes I guess
Jesus is the perfection toward which we are to progress if we know how... if we can even see enough to head in the right direction. People read the 4 gospels and commentaries and listen to preachers/teachers and draw conclusions.

Like me once, they believe that if they just study and read enough scripture and what others have written they will do it, whatever "IT" is. Perhaps a few really reach out from their hearts to receive what God is offering, but probably many find only a place of their own dreams and/or a Nehushtan.
 
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Jesus is the perfection toward which we are to progress if we know how... if we can even see enough to head in the right direction. People read the 4 gospels and commentaries and listen to preachers/teachers and draw conclusions.

Like me once, they believe that if they just study and read enough scripture and what others have written they will to it, whatever "IT" is. Perhaps a few really reach out from their hearts to receive what God is offering, but probably many find only a place of their own dreams and/or a Nehushtan.

We will do everything to lose weight but eat less and exercise and everything to please God but love others