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my JOB is to witness to you.... the only thing i can say is "CONSIDER WHAT WE SAY"... PICJAG.
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my JOB is to witness to you.... the only thing i can say is "CONSIDER WHAT WE SAY"... PICJAG.
Jun2u
Well-Known Member
EXACTLY!
True. However, your Gospel is FALSE!. Scripture declares that if anyone teach a different Jesus than that of the Bible, let him be accursed. Jesus according to the true Gospel is NOT the Holy Spirit nor is the Holy Spirit, Jesus.
Scripture teaches three different distinct persons in the Godhead. God the Father. God the Son. God the Holy Spirit, and is a true statement. Whereas, you have to push and shove scriptures to argue your point of "diversified oneness" which is never taught in Scripture.
In fact, I can argue that the Bible teaches there is "no God." But what will it prove? We definitely KNOW there is a God.
I throw back at you what you've uttered, "CONSIDER WHAT WE SAY!!!
The Holy Spirit is the Lord JESUS, the ONLY TRUE and LIVING God.
Now that we have the title "Father" out of the way now lets eliminate the "title" of Son also.
since many have been claiming that YHWH, is JESUS, who is the LORD , and Found out that he is the Father, now we will see him as the Son also.
supportive Scripture, Isaiah 63:16 "Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting".
Not only is JESUS, the Spirit, is our Father, he is the "Son" also, who is our "REDEEMER". how is this? how can this be trure? answer, the Spirit, the Holy Spitit is "Spirit", meaning he's incorporeal, which means "not composed of matter; having no material existence". hence the REASON for a "BODY". by the the Spirit coming in a BODY, which many calls the incarnation, now that, (the Spirit), what was not seen is now made visable. and by having a body he can now redeem us, and SAVE us, by dying from that flesh body.
now the Million dollar question is this?, how can God be in a body of flesh, and at the same time be God almighty running the universe, the simple answer, he DIVERSIFIED himself, or "SHARED" himself in the body of flesh. by doing this he is Still Spirit, still almighty, and everywhere at the same time, but also at the same time existing in Spatial and time. which we identify as the "Intrinsic Spatial".
so what do "Intrinsic" mean? 1. belonging to a thing by its very nature, (there's the diversity). shows ownership, or possession (Proverbs 8:22) . 2. of or relating to the essential nature of a thing; inherent. 3. control over oneself, one's mind, etc. (Philippians 2:5 -10) 4. domination, actuation, or obsession by a feeling, idea, etc. the feeling or idea itself. internal
Intrinsic is synonymous with, Inherent, native, innate, natural, true, real, and essential.
native: belonging to a person by birth or to a thing by nature;
"inherent", existing in something as a permanent, essential, or characteristic attribute. (hence his, or hers, my, your, our), as in the Lord Jesus in his diversified form, (a body) as a man.
without going into full detail, we will keep it short as possable.
see the term "characteristic" above, in a metaphorically use of this term it means "SON". it's the Greek word, G5207 huios, my source, Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words.
the diversified state of the Spirit in flesh is to express God character, his characteristic in the flesh, or better known as the PERFECT "EXAMPLE". this is why the son is praying the Father, setting the example for us to follow. see, the term "Son" metaphorically, or Spiritually used indicate "character", his characteristic, hebce is why "WE ARE NOW CALLED THE "SONS" OF GOD". not by any biological birth, NO, but by a Spiritual BIRTH. listen,
John 3:3 "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 3:4 "Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
John 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (NATURAL BIRTH) and of the Spirit, (SPIRITUAL BIRTH) he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh (NATURAL BIRTH); and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (SPIRITIUAL BIRTH).
John 3:7 "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again".
conclusion. "Son" is a title of the the Spirit "shared" in flesh. this "SHARING" is not what the trinity doctrine teach, "SEPERATION" and "DISTINCT", no, shared and the same.
so Son is just a title of YHWH in flesh, in a body. this "SHARING" of ONESELF in flesh is the answer to the title of "Son".
PICJAG.
Now that we have the title "Father" out of the way now lets eliminate the "title" of Son also.
since many have been claiming that YHWH, is JESUS, who is the LORD , and Found out that he is the Father, now we will see him as the Son also.
supportive Scripture, Isaiah 63:16 "Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting".
Not only is JESUS, the Spirit, is our Father, he is the "Son" also, who is our "REDEEMER". how is this? how can this be trure? answer, the Spirit, the Holy Spitit is "Spirit", meaning he's incorporeal, which means "not composed of matter; having no material existence". hence the REASON for a "BODY". by the the Spirit coming in a BODY, which many calls the incarnation, now that, (the Spirit), what was not seen is now made visable. and by having a body he can now redeem us, and SAVE us, by dying from that flesh body.
now the Million dollar question is this?, how can God be in a body of flesh, and at the same time be God almighty running the universe, the simple answer, he DIVERSIFIED himself, or "SHARED" himself in the body of flesh. by doing this he is Still Spirit, still almighty, and everywhere at the same time, but also at the same time existing in Spatial and time. which we identify as the "Intrinsic Spatial".
so what do "Intrinsic" mean? 1. belonging to a thing by its very nature, (there's the diversity). shows ownership, or possession (Proverbs 8:22) . 2. of or relating to the essential nature of a thing; inherent. 3. control over oneself, one's mind, etc. (Philippians 2:5 -10) 4. domination, actuation, or obsession by a feeling, idea, etc. the feeling or idea itself. internal
Intrinsic is synonymous with, Inherent, native, innate, natural, true, real, and essential.
native: belonging to a person by birth or to a thing by nature;
"inherent", existing in something as a permanent, essential, or characteristic attribute. (hence his, or hers, my, your, our), as in the Lord Jesus in his diversified form, (a body) as a man.
without going into full detail, we will keep it short as possable.
see the term "characteristic" above, in a metaphorically use of this term it means "SON". it's the Greek word, G5207 huios, my source, Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words.
the diversified state of the Spirit in flesh is to express God character, his characteristic in the flesh, or better known as the PERFECT "EXAMPLE". this is why the son is praying the Father, setting the example for us to follow. see, the term "Son" metaphorically, or Spiritually used indicate "character", his characteristic, hebce is why "WE ARE NOW CALLED THE "SONS" OF GOD". not by any biological birth, NO, but by a Spiritual BIRTH. listen,
John 3:3 "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 3:4 "Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
John 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (NATURAL BIRTH) and of the Spirit, (SPIRITUAL BIRTH) he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh (NATURAL BIRTH); and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (SPIRITIUAL BIRTH).
John 3:7 "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again".
conclusion. "Son" is a title of the the Spirit "shared" in flesh. this "SHARING" is not what the trinity doctrine teach, "SEPERATION" and "DISTINCT", no, shared and the same.
so Son is just a title of YHWH in flesh, in a body. this "SHARING" of ONESELF in flesh is the answer to the title of "Son".
PICJAG.
ok, if what we teach is false, let's ptove this out.
question, Jun2u, scripture, Revelation 1:4 "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
Revelation 1:5 "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood".
now Jun2u is this letter from 3 persons, or from ONE person. because the letter clearly states "From" him, "which is, and which was, and which is to come"
and "From"the seven Spirits".
and "From", "Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness"
well Jun2u here's your big chance to prove to us that there are three sepatate and distinct persons that this letter is from.
so is this letter from A. one person, B. two persons, or C. three Persons. your answer PLEASE.
PICJAG.
Jun2u
Well-Known Member
Do “we” assemble together as commanded in Hebrews 10:25? If so, then you are a congregation!
So, the “we” and “our” is NOT an assembly. How do you communicate with each other through internet, texts, and emails?
Therefore, your assembly do NOT believe Scripture BECAUSE Genesi 1:1 declares absolutely there are at least three or more persons involved in the creation of the world! AND, drives home the point in Genesis 1:26-27.
Of course you are mute to the teaching of the Trinity. You pick and choose verses to suit your gospel. You are deaf to other teachings.
Jun2u
Well-Known Member
BECAUSE you have no concept or understanding of Deuteronomy 6:4!!!
Please keep your diversified oneness gospel, but for me and my house we will serve the LORD.
YOU ARE PEDDLING A FALSE GOSPEL IN THE MARKET PLACE!!!
I will pray the LORD to forgive you and those of your kind.
first thank s for the reply, second if we're PEDDLING A FALSE GOSPEL as you say, then correct us by scripture... well?
third, we guess this is a you cain't answer the Revelation 1:4 and 5 question...
... guess not.if you cain't answer the Rev 1:4 & 5 question, why not try in answering the original question since some has failed. John 1:3 and the Isaiah 44:24 is this the same person.....
I'm sure you can put an end to the one person, or three person dilemma by answering the question above. looking for your answer, please answer one or the other, thanks in advance.
PICJAG.
ps by your answer, or answers this will put an end to what you said is PEDDLING A FALSE GOSPEL.
GINOLJC, to all
Now that we have a fundamental understanding that there are not 3 persons in the Godhead. Let’s look at some of the other false doctrine that were arose by me.
#1. The Jehovah Witness. their belief is that the Lord Jesus is “a” god, small case “g”, as in John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”. they have it as “a” god. if this is true, and is applied to John 1:1 here, then the statement is false, because in Deuteronomy 32:39 it states clearly, "See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand”. this verse clearly contradicts, (according to the JW), as to what was made clear in John 1:1b as to the “Word, being “with” God. For the Word was “WITH” God . so Deuteronomy 32:39 destroys that notions completely. So that’s a false assumption on their part.
Side note: John 1:1 is one of the best know verse in the bible that shows the “diversity” of God’s Oneness as the equal “share” of himself in flesh. Just as Genesis, and Revelation 1:1.
#2. the UPC Oneness. They have a big flaw in their doctrine. Here it is. if God as they say is ONE God and was incarnated in that body of flesh, according to Philippians 2:7, he made himself of no reputation. that would end any Oneness for God as sustainer and upholder of the universe and everything else. Why, because if all of God was in that body and he G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') himself in that flesh, then he’s no longer the sustainer of everything. A critical flaw in that doctrine.
#3. The Unitarians. In their doctrine, in their belief, our Lord Jesus the Christ is just a human man who God chose to deliver, or save his people from their sins, and later glorified him. Other words, a human agent of God, and not God himself. They violate the basic of scripture of Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us”. if God is with us, how? In flesh and blood, the incarnation, then that statement, “Jesus is just a agent of God”, is false as two left shoes. When in Fact Jesus is God shared in flesh, with us. and two no mere human can save the world from sin, only God can save from sin. they give example of human men, who was saviour. yes, saviour from physical bondgage, but not from spiritual bondgage. hence the flaw.
These are just some of the lies the devil has deceived men with. And there are some, which nothing, not even God himself, will change their minds. Oh yes God himself, is he not speaking by that written word in you little hot hands called the bible.and yet some still want believe. But right in that little book it says this,
2 Thessalonians 2:8 "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2 Thessalonians 2:9 "Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2 Thessalonians 2:10 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2 Thessalonians 2:12 "That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Amen.
PICJAG.
Now that we have a fundamental understanding that there are not 3 persons in the Godhead. Let’s look at some of the other false doctrine that were arose by me.
#1. The Jehovah Witness. their belief is that the Lord Jesus is “a” god, small case “g”, as in John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”. they have it as “a” god. if this is true, and is applied to John 1:1 here, then the statement is false, because in Deuteronomy 32:39 it states clearly, "See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand”. this verse clearly contradicts, (according to the JW), as to what was made clear in John 1:1b as to the “Word, being “with” God. For the Word was “WITH” God . so Deuteronomy 32:39 destroys that notions completely. So that’s a false assumption on their part.
Side note: John 1:1 is one of the best know verse in the bible that shows the “diversity” of God’s Oneness as the equal “share” of himself in flesh. Just as Genesis, and Revelation 1:1.
#2. the UPC Oneness. They have a big flaw in their doctrine. Here it is. if God as they say is ONE God and was incarnated in that body of flesh, according to Philippians 2:7, he made himself of no reputation. that would end any Oneness for God as sustainer and upholder of the universe and everything else. Why, because if all of God was in that body and he G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') himself in that flesh, then he’s no longer the sustainer of everything. A critical flaw in that doctrine.
#3. The Unitarians. In their doctrine, in their belief, our Lord Jesus the Christ is just a human man who God chose to deliver, or save his people from their sins, and later glorified him. Other words, a human agent of God, and not God himself. They violate the basic of scripture of Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us”. if God is with us, how? In flesh and blood, the incarnation, then that statement, “Jesus is just a agent of God”, is false as two left shoes. When in Fact Jesus is God shared in flesh, with us. and two no mere human can save the world from sin, only God can save from sin. they give example of human men, who was saviour. yes, saviour from physical bondgage, but not from spiritual bondgage. hence the flaw.
These are just some of the lies the devil has deceived men with. And there are some, which nothing, not even God himself, will change their minds. Oh yes God himself, is he not speaking by that written word in you little hot hands called the bible.and yet some still want believe. But right in that little book it says this,
2 Thessalonians 2:8 "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2 Thessalonians 2:9 "Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2 Thessalonians 2:10 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2 Thessalonians 2:12 "That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Amen.
PICJAG.
The Lord Jesus the Holy Spirit. the "REDEEMER".
Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star".
as said, the term "Offspring is the Greek word,
G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
from G1096
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
kin? yes, like in KINsman Redeemer.
notice the ROOT of this word,
G1096 γίνομαι ginomai (ǰiy'-no-mai) v.
1. to cause to be (“gen”-erate).
2. (reflexively) to become (come into being).
3. (of events) to happen.
definition #1, says it all, question, "what was GENERATED?" flesh, and bone, with blood. not the spirit.
so the "offspring" of David is God diversified in Flesh, so that he, GOD, could redeem us. and that's the way he Redeemed us was by dying to that flesh and blood that came out of mary that he dwelt in.
supportive Scripture, Isaiah 63:16 "Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting".
so God who is our "REDEEMER" is the Diversity of himself in flesh, just as Galatians 4:4 states, "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law". did any catch that?, ......... the Spirit sent his son, so the Son always existed even before mary.... say WHAT!. yes, Made of a woman. that word "MADE" here is the same Greek word where G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) comes from....... man this is just full circle. Oh well.
PICJAG.
Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star".
as said, the term "Offspring is the Greek word,
G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
from G1096
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
kin? yes, like in KINsman Redeemer.
notice the ROOT of this word,
G1096 γίνομαι ginomai (ǰiy'-no-mai) v.
1. to cause to be (“gen”-erate).
2. (reflexively) to become (come into being).
3. (of events) to happen.
definition #1, says it all, question, "what was GENERATED?" flesh, and bone, with blood. not the spirit.
so the "offspring" of David is God diversified in Flesh, so that he, GOD, could redeem us. and that's the way he Redeemed us was by dying to that flesh and blood that came out of mary that he dwelt in.
supportive Scripture, Isaiah 63:16 "Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting".
so God who is our "REDEEMER" is the Diversity of himself in flesh, just as Galatians 4:4 states, "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law". did any catch that?, ......... the Spirit sent his son, so the Son always existed even before mary....
say WHAT!. yes, Made of a woman. that word "MADE" here is the same Greek word where G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) comes from....... man this is just full circle. Oh well.PICJAG.
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@marks
well is not ridiculous any more, that one little piece is right there before your own eyes, Isaiah 63:16........ Game over...
PICJAG.
Game over? Seriously!
As I said . . . produce that passage, and you can actually begin the debate. Since your entire argument is built on this single faulty premise, I've only been looking at your premise. We're still only looking at the first step of your argument.
Specifically, does the Bible declare that Jesus and His Father are the same individual, but not in the sense of the Trinity? Just the same person.
Now, since you seem to be particularly adverse to quoting contexts, and, actually, you didn't even quote this verse. So here it is:
Isaiah 63:16-17 KJV
Doubtless thou art our father,
though Abraham be ignorant of us,
and Israel acknowledge us not:
thou, O Lord, art our father, our redeemer;
thy name is from everlasting.
O Lord, why hast thou made us to err from thy ways,
and hardened our heart from thy fear?
Return for thy servants’ sake,
the tribes of thine inheritance.
So then . . . first things first . . .
Yes indeed. The people called the LORD "father". Well, actually, first they say, "Doubtless you are our father", as if speculating. But then they gain in boldness to say, LORD, our father, our redeemer.
Should the statements of the people in this particular passage be construed so as to twist beyond reasonable meaning other passages which don't really compare in speaker, or genre, or context?
And what about where they answer to God, "Why have you made us to err from they ways?" Did God make them sin? Are we taking doctine on the nature of God from people who think that God makes them sin?
Even so . . .
What about when Jesus speaks to the Father. To Whom is He speaking?
Much love!
Mark
the Bible Cleary state that the "titles" Father and son belong to the same person who is "diversified" in flesh. so get it correct, ok...
ERROR again on your part. "Doubtless" is without doubt, no speculating. and yes, the LORD shared in flesh is our Redeemer".
the scriptures are straightforward, nor do they twist, or turns...... (smile).
what do this have to do with the Godhead?. stay on subject. but for your curiosity, read the whole chapter and see why....... (smile) ....
now let's get to what you want to ask us.
what about it?, he's the diversity of himself in flesh, understand something here,... John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven".
notice, JESUS, the Son of Man, while talking to Nicodemus here on Earth, he was at the same time in Heaven. notice it was the Son of man, in heaven, and not the son of God in heaven. get that?. That's how. ...
just as the Spirit in heaven can speak to the Son of God on Earth while still in heaven, yet "shared" in that body on earth. diversity, diversity, diversity....
now what is it that you really want to ask us.
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I actually believe you describe a triune God, yet even describing Him, you deny. You have this made up doctrine of "sharing oneself as another" which is nowhere in the Bible, and so this is hundreds of posts in arguments over words which do dishonor to God, in this man's opinion. You can rate that as you wish.
ERROR, we're describing a ONENESS God who "shared" himself in Flesh.
the difference is you make person out of titles, and put the the ONE TRUE and LIVING God as your third person ... LAST.
we have one person who is "FIRST" and ONLY who is the Spirit, the HOLY SPIRIT, who holds the Tirles "Father" without flesh, and the title "Son" in or diversified in flesh
JESUS, the Holy Spirit, the Only True God. <---OP
God is SPIRIT
God is HOLY
Gods Spirit is SUPREME and HOLY POWER
The Name of Gods POWER is CHRIST.
CHRIST is JESUS
JESUS is the NAME of the Son of Man
JESUS is the NAME of thee Son of God
JESUS CHRIST IS the Holy Spiritual POWER of GOD.
Acts 8
[10] To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God.
1 Cor 1
...24] Christ the power of God...
Glory to God,
Taken
God is SPIRIT
God is HOLY
Gods Spirit is SUPREME and HOLY POWER
The Name of Gods POWER is CHRIST.
CHRIST is JESUS
JESUS is the NAME of the Son of Man
JESUS is the NAME of thee Son of God
JESUS CHRIST IS the Holy Spiritual POWER of GOD.
Acts 8
[10] To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God.
1 Cor 1
...24] Christ the power of God...
Glory to God,
Taken
Cain't argue with that.
if you may let us add one other thing.
Holy is his character, "Son", Spirit is his Nature, "Father". hence the Epithet of God, "Holy Spirit".
We could spend days "defining" God...
His Names, His Character, His Essence, His Wholeness...etc. etc.
Bottom line; God IS, WAS, and FOREVER,
HOLY...without fault, error, mistakes, etc.
Who is calling MANY and ACCEPTING a FEW, to Receive a "make-over" in His Likeness and Image.
The Beauty of Gods Perfection is Giving every man the Freewill to decide if they elect to be among the "many" or the "few"
God Bless,
Taken
true, but it want hurt to add a few things.We could spend days "defining" God...
His Names, His Character, His Essence, His Wholeness...etc. etc.
Bottom line; God IS, WAS, and FOREVER,
HOLY...without fault, error, mistakes, etc.
Who is calling MANY and ACCEPTING a FEW, to Receive a "make-over" in His Likeness and Image.
The Beauty of Gods Perfection is Giving every man the Freewill to decide if they elect to be among the "many" or the "few"
God Bless,
Taken
GINOLJC, To all.
The Lord Jesus is the “LORD”, the YHWH of the OT without flesh, without bone, and without blood
“The GREAT I AM”
Exodus 3:13 "And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
Exodus 3:14 "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Exodus 3:15 "And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations”.
“I”………. ”AM”. one person. The Spirit, the Holy Spirit, the ONLY TRUE and LIVING God, JESUS.
This was JESUS speaking to Moses, Spirit, without flesh, without bone, and without blood. John 8:58 "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am”.
Yes, before Abraham was, JESUS is. Genesis 2:4 "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens”. yes, the same LORD of Isaiah 44:24, and John 1:3.
Now this NAME: it is not a personal name, but an identifying name. YHWH or in the Hebrew,
H1961 הָיָה hayah (haw-yaw) v.
1. to exist.
2. to be or become.
3. to come into being, i.e. to happen, to occur (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary).
[a primitive root]
If one would notice, YHWH or H1961 הָיָה hayah (haw-yaw) v. IS A “VERB” and not a NOUN. So clearly “YHWH” is not God, the LORD, personal name. So this false name “Jehovah”, is just that, false, man made.
So to all my Jehovah Witness, and any others who worship that name,,,, sorry it’s not God’s, the the TRUE and the LIVING God personal name.
This is why studying the scriptures are so important. The name of God is JESUS, or in Hebrew YESHUA. It’s the the Strong's #(H3442). it is written Yod-Shin-Vav-Ayin, it is a masculine noun that means, "He is salvation" or "He saves”. for only God SAVES. H3442 יֵשׁוַּע Yeshuwa` (yay-shoo'-ah) n/l.
in the Greek, it's G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous (ee-ay-sous`) n/p. a transliteration, notice not a translation, but a transliteration. in tracing it’s roots, from H3091, which gets its origins from H3068 which originates from H1961 הָיָה hayah, or “I AM”. BINGO, there it is. a side note, find the right word of "salvation", meaning, how it is used, bingo there is the name....
Now can we support this by the scriptures? John 17:26 "And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them”. What name was that? John 5:43 "I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive”. what name was that? Matthew 1:21 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Matthew 1:22 "Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us”.
JESUS is God personal name. Not Jehovah nor Yahweh, but “JESUS” the Great “I AM”.
PICJAG.
The Lord Jesus is the “LORD”, the YHWH of the OT without flesh, without bone, and without blood
“The GREAT I AM”
Exodus 3:13 "And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
Exodus 3:14 "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Exodus 3:15 "And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations”.
“I”………. ”AM”. one person. The Spirit, the Holy Spirit, the ONLY TRUE and LIVING God, JESUS.
This was JESUS speaking to Moses, Spirit, without flesh, without bone, and without blood. John 8:58 "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am”.
Yes, before Abraham was, JESUS is. Genesis 2:4 "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens”. yes, the same LORD of Isaiah 44:24, and John 1:3.
Now this NAME: it is not a personal name, but an identifying name. YHWH or in the Hebrew,
H1961 הָיָה hayah (haw-yaw) v.
1. to exist.
2. to be or become.
3. to come into being, i.e. to happen, to occur (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary).
[a primitive root]
If one would notice, YHWH or H1961 הָיָה hayah (haw-yaw) v. IS A “VERB” and not a NOUN. So clearly “YHWH” is not God, the LORD, personal name. So this false name “Jehovah”, is just that, false, man made.
So to all my Jehovah Witness, and any others who worship that name,,,, sorry it’s not God’s, the the TRUE and the LIVING God personal name.
This is why studying the scriptures are so important. The name of God is JESUS, or in Hebrew YESHUA. It’s the the Strong's #(H3442). it is written Yod-Shin-Vav-Ayin, it is a masculine noun that means, "He is salvation" or "He saves”. for only God SAVES. H3442 יֵשׁוַּע Yeshuwa` (yay-shoo'-ah) n/l.
in the Greek, it's G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous (ee-ay-sous`) n/p. a transliteration, notice not a translation, but a transliteration. in tracing it’s roots, from H3091, which gets its origins from H3068 which originates from H1961 הָיָה hayah, or “I AM”. BINGO, there it is. a side note, find the right word of "salvation", meaning, how it is used, bingo there is the name....
Now can we support this by the scriptures? John 17:26 "And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them”. What name was that? John 5:43 "I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive”. what name was that? Matthew 1:21 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Matthew 1:22 "Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us”.
JESUS is God personal name. Not Jehovah nor Yahweh, but “JESUS” the Great “I AM”.
PICJAG.
Jun2u
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“I AM that I AM” written in Exodus 3:14 IS NOT THE NAME OF GOD!!! I AM means “the EXISTING ONE.” Therefore, we can render this verse this way: “The EXISTING ONE has sent me unto you.”
Already in Genesis 1:1 the word “God” in Hebrew is the plural word “Elohim” meaning there are at least three or more persons involved in the creation of the world.
In Hebrew there are three numbers: SINGULAR means ONE; DUAL means TWO; and PLURAL means THREE or more.
Whereas, in English there are only two,: SINGULAR means ONE; PLURAL means TWO OR MORE.
In fact, Scripture drives home the point that there are at least three distinct persons in the Godhead as suggested in Genesis 1:26 “Lei us make man...” in our image...” after our likeness.” Yet, in the next verse 27 God is said to be ONE GOD.
No one, no, not one has a perfect understanding of Scripture! Can anyone really understand a GOD who speaks and things begin to exist? Now, be honest!
FYI, GOD does not have a name whereby He can be distinguished from other gods. He alone is the TRUE GOD of the Universe without having a name.
If we are to put a name on GOD, then it would have to be “JEHOVAH” as Himself declared in Exodus 6:3. “...but by MY NAME “JEHOVAH” was I not known to them .”
the bible don't say that there are at least three or more... quit adding to the word of God.
echad is a unity of one as vs Yachid of one. so that want fly.
Oh yea? we suggest you read this, Genesis 5:1 "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
Genesis 5:2 "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created".
how many is "he", in the DAY they was created, ERROR again on your Part...
man wil you learn. here's your ERROR, listen, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come".see, the "Another" of God had not came yet ...... lol. the diversity. or the "image" of God, or the OFFSPRING had not yet come...
Oooo how simple the bible is, if you just let it teach you. ... (smile)... I shall not tell a lie....
Isaiah 52:6 "Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I"
see Jun2u, only "his" people will know his NAME ....
now how do we know his Name? he told us. see the last half of Isaiah 52:6 "I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I". let's see if we can Identify the "I" it's him. John 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins". and the one who said that he name is "JESUS"... BINGO, Ooop there it is.... but see you don't believe. did you hear what he said? "ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he. so belief, BELIEVE? Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned". what you say..... LOL, LOL, LOL, J didn't you hear what was posted? the name Jehovah was derived from a verb, and not a Noun. it's a made up name. ok, let the scripture prove your ERROR.
you left out the important part of the scripture, get the whole scripture, Exodus 6:3 "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them". God almighty said Abraham did not know him by "Jehovah" right, well lets see, Genesis 22:14 "And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen".
well, well, well, Abraham got "Jehovah" in his mouth, when God almighty himself just said, Abraham did not know him by that name, Ooop! someone is lying. well let's do a little process called elimination. #1. God is not lying. #2. Abraham is the Friend of God, so he's not lying. well that leaves the translators, and yes they lied, with a made up man-made name for God, which was never his personal Name. see J, you fail to believe, only "his" people know his name. as Isaiah 52:6 states, "Therefore my people shall know my name". well if his name was already given how come "his" people .... SHALL ... know his name. shall is a future tense desigination, meaning his name has not been given yet.... lol. my, my, my, yea..... buddy.
PICJAG
PS, J, I hope you read for yourself.. ok. and then God to JESUS in prayer for knowledge, and UNDERSTANDING before it get too late. look, I been you, lost without understanding. see after the Lord Jesus revealed this to me it took years of study to get it down in my heart as well as my mind. it called "RENEWING" your mind. it's not hard to do.
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