I'm concerned that Trump is illuminati

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LOL okie dokie.
 

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If you think ethnic Jews can't betray the Jewish people & can't be self-hating, or unite with anti-semites, or fuel anti-semitic beliefs by publishing false claims, that is wrong. How many native born americans join with the radical communists & anarchists to destroy America? History is replete with examples of those that turn against their own. In Nazi germany the Jews that worked for the SS in concentration camps were called Kapos, at the end of the war many were charged with war crimes. Soros was an ethnic jew who got his start collaborating with the Nazis & stealing from other Jews.
Why would any born again Christians look elsewhere then the Bible & the words of Jesus to understand bible prophecy & current events? I never said makow was stupid, the word of God shows us from Genesis , that spiritual deception always contains some truth along with the lies that is how it deceives.
There is really no such thing as an ethnic Jew, you ether believe in and live the OT or you don't, so for a person to be taken seriously as a Jew one must be true to the OT. not to mention that it's the same deal with a Christian that they must follow the NT, so the fact remains that that is the case for reality and if one does not measure up to the standard, well they just don't cut the grade do they and are not truly worth talking about in such a regard now do they.

Fact is that one must be one with Jesus Christ to be a Christian and just abide in him and that's the whole point to do his will. don't be coned into all the other stuff that the world may spin especially about end of times as he Bible warns us. because there are man who as just to do with deceptions.

Why would any Christian run off looking to the Jews, fact is that Jesus Christ has everything that anyone needs, so why abandon him for worldly so called Jews that reject Jesus Christ or make out that they are with the Christians, because truly if one does not believe in Jesus Christ and only follow him, why would you look to one who playing the game both ways. one can not serve two masters Bible says.

If a Christian is looking to the 2ed coming that means hat they do not know Jesus is in fact the Christ and I will point out that when one it truly Born Again of the Holy Spirit that you are in the Kingdom of God ! one is their, they are at home so to speak in the Kingdom of God, but the rest are outside are not home, as they are lost and at the 2ed coming then they will be with in the Kingdome of God, home with all the rest of the truly Born Again of the Holy Spirit in the Kingdome of God, as such truly know God. There is nothing more to it really than abiding in Jesus Christ regardless just as true people who have been following Jesus as the Christ for 2000 years now. some people have come to known Jesus is truly the Christ over the 2000 years and to reject that is to reject Jesus, can you understand that.
The New Jesus that Satan is peddling nowadays has nothing to do with Jesus Christ at all, it's a worldly Jesus that they are looking to sadly, just like stupid the Pope Frances is peddling a freemason Pope just a worldly fool leading people astray from God.

The Talmud mob that control the so called Zionist Jews are just like the Golden Calf mob in fact, they do not represent the OT truly at all and many truly worthy Jews know this fact, they have demonstrated in the streets in the state od Israel and NY USA in droves but the whore mass media cover it all up because the Talmud own the Media. what do you expect from the Golden Calf mob.

Remember what the Golden Calf mob workings that they were doing against Holy Moses, do you truly understand what they were doing, if you do then you can see their works are just the same ends nowadays. study it and you will be surprised.
 

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I asked you, what is the Illumaniti ...
You couldn't answer.

I asked you, for a proof of your fear of Trump being Ilumaniti...
You couldn't answer.

When you have INFORMATION that reveals Trump is AGAINST GOD...bring it on.

Until then, your new found discovery that EVIL is present and working in the World, is but OLD News, and your fear, simply shows a lack of Trust in the Lord.

You forgot to answer your claims...

What is the illuminati?

According to your references...
Makow reveals his understanding of the illuminati is SATANISTS.

Who are Trump's masters?

Trump QUOTE.
..."faith is more powerful than government, and nothing is more powerful than God."


Glory to God,
Taken

Taken - I'll give you a quick overview while I have a few minutes. I know that you are under the delusion that Trump has fooled many people with and you'll continue to try to argue with me because you want to protect your beliefs about him.

I'm not going to continue to argue with you because it's not going to be profitable. It's like trying to tell someone about God who has no spiritual understanding. There is a disconnect. You are going to have to go to the throne and ask God to show you the truth - if you really want it.

Some people say they want the truth but don't really want it when it comes down to it. (are you willing to search your heart and ask yourself if you really want the truth even if it shows you that Trump is not what you think he is?) Some people would rather believe sweet lies than hard truths. That is ultimately between you and God. Sometimes people aren't ready for the truth and they'll fight and kick and call you names because they aren't ready to hear the truth. Still others think that they're clever and try to draw you into an argument to prove you wrong to boost their pride. (Can you ask yourself if this may be some of it?)

The motives of a man's heart are many. We may think we're hiding our motives to our fellow brothers and sisters in the Lord but often we're not. Our motives become apparent to our fellow believers with discernment.

Jeremiah 17:9 - The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?

A fool does not delight in understanding, but only in airing his opinions. - Proverbs 18:2

1 John 2:16 - For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

If you really wanted those questions answered you could have looked for the information yourself, which tells me you don't really have any interest in knowing the truth - only in proving me wrong.

You can exercise your senses to discern the truth yourself but you didn't look at any of the links I gave you because you continue to ask me. I don't really like reading about this because it's a dark topic. The only reason I looked into it was because I seek out the truth, and things didn't add up about Trump. I don't want to know a lot about this topic - I only want to understand what God wants us to do in these last days. Reading about it was actually discouraging when the blinders are ripped off and you see just how widespread the delusion is, and just how evil those are who are in the highest offices of the land. But we know that it's ultimately in God's Hands.

God doesn't want us to know a lot about the dark side but we're to be knowledgable about what is good:

"Everyone has heard about your obedience, so I am full of joy over you; but I want you to be wise about what is good, and innocent about what is evil. The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you" (Romans 16:19-20)

It's up to YOU to use your own discernment with what you read. I've used my own discernment to the best of my abilities and I do not believe that Trump is legitimate. I did not come to that decision lightly:

For everyone who lives on milk is still an infant, inexperienced in the message of righteousness. But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained their senses to distinguish good from evil. Hebrews 5:14

Here is a few paragraphs from a researcher that will explain the origin of it. The rest you are going to have to do on your own:

The people of the world are an audience to which the Illuminati entertain with propaganda. Just one of the thousands of recent examples of this type of acting done for the public was President Bill Clinton’s 1995 State of the Union address. The speech was designed to push all of the warm fuzzy buttons of his listening audience that he could. All the green lights for acceptance were systematically pushed by the President’s speech with the help of a controlled congressional audience. The truth on the other hand doesn’t always tickle the ear and warm the ego of its listeners. The light of truth in this book will be too bright for some people who will want to return to the safe comfort of their darkness.

I am not a conspiracy theorist. I deal with real facts, not theory. Some of the people I write about, I have met. Some of the people I expose are alive and very dangerous. The darkness has never liked the light. Yet, many of the secrets of the Illuminati are locked up tightly simply because secrecy is a way of life. It is such a way of life, that they resent the Carroll Quigleys and the James H. Billingtons who want to tell real historical facts rather than doctored up stories and myths. I have been an intense student of history since I could read, and I am deeply committed to the facts of history rather than the cover stories the public is fed to manipulate them.

I do not fear the Illuminati taking over this country and doing away with the Constitution, because they took over this country long ago, and the Constitution has not technically been in effect due to Presidential emergency decrees since W.W. II. Being a follower of Christ does not mean we should fear. Perfect love for Almighty God casts out our fear for the situation He has place us in. Don’t think for a moment you are going to vote the Illuminati out of office. They control the major and minor political parties. They control the process of government, they control the process of information flow, they control the process of creating money and finally they control Christendom. (However, God controls the hearts of His people.)

>>> Long ago in the dark unwritten pages of human history, powerful kings discovered how they could control other men by torture, magical practices, wars, politics, religion and interest taking. These elite families designed strategies and tactics to perpetuate their occult practices. Layers upon layers of secrecy have hidden these families from the profane masses, but many an author has touched upon their existence. I began my research when I began to get first hand reports from very informed people that an elite group did rule the world. My research into Satan’s hierarchy went fast because of my skills as a researcher and because I knew from the beginning from my informants about the reality of what I was investigating. My investigation into the Illuminati, led me to read and pray about thousands of books. The quantity of books, newspapers, magazines and manuscripts and papers which were read to get me to where I am today numbers in the many thousands. I do not know how many nights I stayed up studying and finally collapsed into sleep with blurred red eyes.

In mockery and imitation of God’s 12 tribes, Satan blessed 12 bloodlines. One of these bloodlines was the Ishmaeli bloodline from which a special elite line developed alchemy, assassination techniques, and other occult practices. One bloodline was Egyptian/Celtic/Druidic from which Druidism was developed. One bloodline was in the orient and developed oriental magic. One lineage was from Canaan and the Canaanites. It had the name Astarte, then Astorga, then Ashdor, and then Astor. The tribe of Dan was used as a Judas Iscariot type seed. The royalty of the tribe of Dan have descended down through history as a powefful Satanic bloodline. The 13th or final blood line was copied after God’s royal lineage of Jesus. This was the Satanic House of David with their blood which they believe is not only from the House of David but also from the lineage of Jesus, who they claim had a wife and children. The 13th Satanic bloodline was instilled with the direct seed of Satan so that they would not only carry Christ’s blood--but also the blood of his "brother" Lucifer.
 
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You addressed that to Reggie, but I'll add something: no one is going solely by Henry Makow's information about this topic; he is just one source out of many who has studied the subject and has provided in-depth information to those who want to understand more of how today's events fit with prophecy. I haven't combed through all of Makow's articles but what I did read seemed credible; although that's not to say that he can't be off on some things. I do believe that it's wise to be careful when taking in any information, but I don't think it's wise to dismiss him by saying "Makow is deluded and just spews anti-semitic & crazy conspiracy nonsense" is something that every person should decide for themselves.

Demonizing an individual is a propaganda technique:

Stereotyping, name calling or labeling
This technique attempts to arouse prejudices in an audience by labeling the object of the propaganda campaign as something the target audience fears, hates, loathes, or finds undesirable. For instance, reporting on a foreign country or social group may focus on the stereotypical traits that the reader expects, even though they are far from being representative of the whole country or group; such reporting often focuses on the anecdotal. In graphic propaganda, including war posters, this might include portraying enemies with stereotyped racial features.

The old standby "crazy conspiracy theorist" is as old as dirt; a clever ruse used to discredit someone and/ or their work. If Christians had buckled whenever this accusation was hurled at them then no evangelization would ever have taken place. I've been laughed to scorn over believing the "crazy conspiracy theory" of being spiritually reborn and believing in a God I can't see. Christians all have a measure of discernment to a greater or lesser degree, and if they're spiritually reborn they have God's Spirit to guide them. Each believer can read Makow's work, pray, and judge for themselves whether they find him credible or not.

Just because some individuals betrayed their ethnicity doesn't mean Makow did the same. You ask "why would any Christian look anywhere other than the bible to understand the Bible and the words of Jesus to understand bible prophecy & current events?" At first blush your statement sounds super spiritual but Christians use other sources of information to understand the bible: Commentaries, Pastors, etc. So why couldn't they use other sources of information to understand what is really going on in the world, instead of the propagandized news that is out to deceive the masses?

I agree that Satan often cleverly mixes in his lies among truth; that's why God gave us the holy spirit.

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." - John 16:13
Totally true dear Soverign Grace.

The worldly are truly deceptive cunning mob as you have pointed out above, you will know them by there works and boy do they have such in spades nowadays, peddling it like you have pointed out above.

The Media and politics are grovelling down to the level that the Nazis and the Communist stooped to nowadays and they are poncing about like king sh-t ! taking people for a ride, just as the Media in fact did in Nazi Germany and the all the Communist media did this trick as well, sadly the majority of people are to ignorant or stupid to understand that the media is truly a great whore and ruthless people get into politics as the intents of such are as a means to stand over the majority. not to mention that they spend millions your Tax $ on con-artist spin doctors, so as to lead you astray with all of there total crap. it's a fact !
 

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Taken - you are intent on having me spoon feed you

Nope. Simply asked you a couple of questions, Not an expose' on your beliefs of history.

I know that you are under the delusion that Trump has fooled many people with

Funny. I have said no such thing.

The only reason I looked into it was because I seek out the truth, and things didn't add up about Trump.

Your carrying on and on about Hand gestures, Hand gestures, Hand gestures, have become beyond comical.

I deal with real facts, not theory.

You should spend some time learning how the government operates, and that the President can have desires to change things, but that he is not a DICTATOR To accomplish all he desires without OBSTICALS.

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One of the bloodlines goes back to Babylon and are descendent from Nimrod. Down through the years the occult world has remained hidden from the history books. (Publishing and education have been controlled privileges.) They have ruled behind the scenes. The Mystery Religions each had their secret councils which ruled them, and these councils themselves came under the guidance of a secret supreme Grand Council or Governing Body. The Mystery Religions in turn ruled the masses and the political leaders. When I first began investigating the Illuminati a clear picture developed that the history books were doctored, and that great power was concentrated in the hands of oligarchies around the world. But who were these powerful people? I have been repeatedly asked, "If there is a conspiracy who are the conspirators?" That is what this book is about. The history books are full of information about the elites and the masses. Interestingly, upon very close scrutiny and examination the investigator finds that the elite have perpetuated their power for centuries, and have worked hand in glove with other elites to control the masses.

https://www.cia.gov/library/abbotta...ingmeier.-.Bloodlines.of.the.Illuminati.R.pdf

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So from this you can learn that the illuminati are thirteen families of satanists and where they came from. If you really want to know the truth you have no need to ask me any more questions - you can look for the truth with your own eyes and do your own research. But I don't think that's what you want. I think you want to defend President Trump and try to prove me wrong. When you're done scheming about how to prove that Trump really is the savior you think he is, and when you're done trying to trip me up with what you think are clever questions then the truth will still be quietly there for you to find yourself.

And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power - 1 For 2:4

It's not me who will convince you of the truth anyway - it's something you'll recognize in your spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:13
And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words
 

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Totally true dear Soverign Grace.

The worldly are truly deceptive cunning mob as you have pointed out above, you will know them by there works and boy do they have such in spades nowadays, peddling it like you have pointed out above.

The Media and politics are grovelling down to the level that the Nazis and the Communist stooped to nowadays and they are poncing about like king sh-t ! taking people for a ride, just as the Media in fact did in Nazi Germany and the all the Communist media did this trick as well, sadly the majority of people are to ignorant or stupid to understand that the media is truly a great whore and ruthless people get into politics as the intents of such are as a means to stand over the majority. not to mention that they spend millions your Tax $ on con-artist spin doctors, so as to lead you astray with all of there total crap. it's a fact !
It's a relief to meet others whose eyes have been opened to the deception. We're precariously like the Nazis in that the entire news networks are all owned. The one video that I watched really spelled it out. But I think since we're coming closer into the last days I think the delusion is going to start to evaporate as God shows more believers what has been going on. We know that Satan operates in deception so we shouldn't be too surprised. I just didn't know how widespread it was.

I know what you mean - I read that psychopaths get into positions of power over others. If you read this article it will show why everything is such a mess: psychopaths seek out positions of power: "Masters of Manipulation": Psychopaths Rule The World - Global Research
 

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Nope. Simply asked you a couple of questions, Not an expose' on your beliefs of history.



Funny. I have said no such thing.



Your carrying on and on about Hand gestures, Hand gestures, Hand gestures, have become beyond comical.



You should spend some time learning how the government operates, and that the President can have desires to change things, but that he is not a DICTATOR To accomplish all he desires without OBSTICALS.

Taken
I was like you and kept making excuses for him time after time. I didn't want to believe it either. Denial is how the mind protects us from a truth that we aren't ready to handle yet. If you pray and ask God to show you then in time I think He will.
 

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If you heard a person speak the following quotes:
-"I am not sure I have," ... when asked if he'd ever asked God for forgiveness. "I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don't think so," he said. "I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don't bring God into that picture. I don't."
-"Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?" .... "I work hard, I'm an honorable person."

would you say they are a Christian? And if they are not a Christian, they are a satanist. Matthew 12:30 "He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scatterth abroad".



I'll address this:

I found the video of the speech in which Trump spoke this, in this article: Trump signs executive order giving more freedom to federally funded religious groups

When someone says the word "God", do you automatically think that that person believes as you do? When someone says that "magic" word ("God"), it must mean as you think it does, correct? All other possibilities are thrown out the window once that keyword ("God") is said, correct?

Do you agree that the word "God" has a different meaning to different people? Christians, when they say "God", mean God-the-Father (YHWH) and God-the-Son (Yeshua, Jesus Christ); Jews, when they "God", mean God-the-Father only. Muslims, when they say "God" mean Allah. Et cetera.

Do you also agree that the word "God" is used generically - to mean whichever "God"/"god" you believe in when they are speaking with/to you? Is it a possibility, that when Trump said "g" "o" "d", this was his intent?

Let's go a little darker. Jesus called satan/the devil, the "god of this world" in 2 Corinthians 4:4 "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them". Here we see both "god" and "God" being used and meaning two very different beings. If someone is only speaking, and not writing, how would you know if they use "g" "o" "d" with a capital "G"? Isn't it possible that when speaking, they mean it as "god"? When someone speaks, they don't specify capitalization, agreed? It is assumed by the English language rules, that the beginning of sentences, names of people, and titles are capitalized. However, with the word "God"/"god", this can be confusing, because the letters "g", "o", "d", has different meanings depending on whether the first letter is capitalized. When someone is speaking, unless you stop that person from speaking and ask him/her what/who they mean, the listener assumes what the speaker meant, and capitalization is also assumed. Do you agree?

In the speech in the article, when Trump spoke the letters "g" "o" "d", did anyone stop to ask him if he capitalized "g" "o" "d"? No, they didn't, yet the journalist who wrote the article and quoted Trump assumed he meant "God", and not "god". Is it possible Trump meant "god" and not "God"? How would you know? The journalist quoting Trump doesn't know either - it is an assumption.

Furthermore, I'm sure you are aware, that non-Christians believe that there are many paths to "God", and their meaning is generic in nature, even though Jesus said "no man comes to the Father but by me". So these people (non-Christians) believe in "God", yet deny God-the-Son in their beliefs, agreed? How could that be, that they use the word "God" yet deny Jesus Christ as God? Is it possible that when Trump spoke "g" "o" "d", that this is as he meant it?

Finally, let's look at who he was speaking to in this speech: in attendance, per the article, there were "With a gospel choir and invocations from Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Mormon and Hindu faith leaders", in addition to the people in their homes across the U.S. watching the speech or reading this article, which include Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, new agers, etc. Is it a possibility then, that since Trump didn't directly say Jesus Christ, he was using the generic "g" "o" "d" for his audience of believers of many faiths? And if he includes all faiths, isn't that anti-Christian, thus anti-christ (anti-christ is generic here, not "the Antichrist")?

One other thing, per the article, "Vice President Pence declared that 'believers of every background have a champion in President Donald Trump.'" Hmm, so here we see that Trump, according to Catholic Pence, is for believers of every background. That doesn't sound to Christian to me, in fact, it sounds like those who use the word "God" to mean "god" or "all paths lead to g o d" types.
I see that you have the wisdom that comes from God. That's one more bit of wisdom that I can refer to.
 
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Sorry that you don't like my opinion and continually try to shut me up , but...:rolleyes: sorry to inform you that many have tried and failed.
I will speak what the Bible says & speak out against the vile CT's that denounce the holocaust , denounce Zionism, and that try to paint Israel as not being God's land and as the Jews as not God's chosen people as is written in the Holy scriptures and who paint Jews as monster illuminati. People like makow are preaching doctrines of demons. It is Satan that hates God's plans & promises for Israel & who hates the nation of Israel, and hates the Jewish people because He knows Jesus came through the house of David as prophesied in the Bible & Jesus is returning a second time to make war with the anti-christ and the devil & Satan will be bound for 1000yrs and all of Israel shall be saved....Jesus shall rule from Jerusalem.
 
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I was like you

I doubt that.

and kept making excuses for him time after time.

What excuses are you talking about?

I didn't want to believe it

What exactly is "IT" ?

Try to be precise, without a rant of your new found information.

Denial is how the mind protects us from a truth that we aren't ready to handle yet. If you pray and ask God to show you then in time I think He will.

LOL.
Exactly what "TRUTH" are you implying I have DENIED?

Try to be precise, without a rant of your new found information.

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Trump is not what you think he is?

Bottom Line:
The "ilumaniti" wants the World's WEALTH IN THEIR POCKETS!

"Satainists" want YOUR SOUL for Satan.


Some people would rather believe sweet lies than hard truths.

Hard truths?

Stop ranting, and PROVE the Bottom Line Hard TRUTHS.

...things didn't add up about Trump.

When are you going to GET TO THE HARD FACTS, instead of ranting about world history and making accusations AGAINST Trump?

Try to FOCUS on your accusations AGAINST TRUMP...

How about you start with....
What Trump is DOING to PUT THE PEOPLES WEALTH IN HIS POCKETS?

Then secondly...
What Trump is DOING to Encourage PEOPLE to REJECT God?



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I firmly believe the American people are being played, as are the rest of us in Great Britain, Canada, Australia, N.Z., and other former Commonwealth countries. While our governments, for several generations now, have waged relentless war against communism and now Islam, the real enemy has been quietly consolidating control from within. Not only the American people but all of us have far more to fear from those very few in power in Washington, New York, London, and the Vatican, then any number of thousands from Riyadh, Mecca, Tehran, Bagdad, Havana, Damascus, Ankara, Beijing and Moscow combined.
And while Messianic, evangelical and charismatic/pentecostal Christianity is besides itself searching avidly to the distant horizon in expectation of the "Antichrist" who they claim is going to wage relentless war against the church and everything named "Christian", leaning over the back fence is their local neighbour whom they fail to recognise inviting them all to a community barbecue...where they will be the main item on the menu.
 
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It's a possiblility that the anti-christ does not know it's him. As we see in the Bible, spirits/demons possess people, overtake their being. It's possible that whoever the anti-christ will be, will have a different personality, or would do things differently, with a demon/spirit in them, especially if one becomes indwelt by satan himself.

Regarding Kushner, it is further interesting, that he and his parents own/owned the building at 666 5th avenue in NYC. And, that Kushner and his parents are friends with Benjamin Netanyahu. It would seem that jews in Israel would trust one of their own with a peace plan for this mideast.

Perhaps Kushner will be indwelt with satan, and this would cause him to magnify himself above God-the-Father, bringing peace to the mideast.



I've heard that too. I'm not sure; some women do have masculine features by birth, some men look feminine. It could be as simple as that. Perhaps not though.



That verse is why I think the anti-christ has to come from jewish lineage. Jews wouldn't accept a messiah, even a false one, if he was gentile. And that verse does say he "won't regard the God of his fathers".



Yeah, it's tough being in this position. Being called "mentally ill" or "insane" or any other false accusation, for the truth. Jesus is worth it though.



Again, once indwelt by satan, he could be a completely different personality. And of course that could apply to anyone, not just Kushner. It might be someone none of us has heard of yet.



I think the depopulation is just the anti-christs explanation and taking credit for God-the-Father's doings. Satan and his demon/angels, and their human followers, all know God-the-Father exist. They know his plan. They want the credit, to be God, so that's one way of taking credit for God's work.

It is beyond genius though, God's end time plan. He will allow the anti-christ/satan to proclaim he is God, and for a short time, there will be unity, peace, harmony, and prosperity. They truly beyond-genius part is when God-the-Father pours out his wrath on this world, at the time satan's followers are doing everything right in following him and yet the bad stuff keeps happening. At some point, I think, his followers will start to ask/question "why are these bad things happening if you are God" and "why are you hurting us if we are following you", etc.

God-the-Father, and at least me, will be laughing at their foolishness.
That's very true about demons possessing people - I was just reading about that. I don't hear too many Christians talk about it though - it's refreshing to see someone recognize that. Brakelite had said something about it. I think a lot of people are inhabited by demons today. When you read about the abject craziness and vileness going on today I think it speaks to something beyond the works of the sinful flesh - although that can be pretty bad. I think we always have to keep in mind that Satan is a deceiver and he's not going to show his hand too readily. "If it were possible he would deceive the elect..."

I tend to note peoples eyes. For instance, look at the eyes of the following people - you can see the crazed look:

 

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I read this article this morning. I think civil unrest is on the horizon:


Why Revolutionary Acts and Martial Law are in your future, "Mr. Jones"

Violence on the Horizon


As the entrenched global banking cartel continues to control domestic political policy, the next phase of this crisis will inevitably feature an escalation into mass violence. As the Army War College stated, the Pentagon is preparing for “violent, strategic dislocation inside the United States” and “widespread civil violence” due to “purposeful domestic resistance.”

In clear signs of what is to come, rioting and violence as a result of economic turmoil has already been experienced in many countries throughout the world. However, civil unrest has not yet occurred within the United States. There are many theories as to why there has been so little resistance from the US population thus far, and several factors play into it.

The most significant factor is that social safety net programs have been vital in preventing people from resorting to extreme measures. Currently, a stunning number of Americans, 52 million, are receiving life-sustaining assistance from government “anti-poverty” programs, such as food stamps, unemployment benefits, Medicaid and Medicare. This has already stretched a social safety net system that is designed to handle significantly less people to its limit. This safety net system has now been drained of all reserve resources over the past two years, and is obviously not sustainable under current economic and political conditions.

As social safety net programs have been drained of reserves, many US citizens have also been burning through their personal savings. Over the past few years the percentage of Americans living paycheck to paycheck has dramatically increased. In 2007, 43 percent of Americans were living paycheck to paycheck. In 2008, the percentage increased to 49 percent. In 2009, the number skyrocketed up to 61 percent. The most recent number for 2010 has exploded to a shocking 77 percent. This means in our nation of 310 million citizens, 239 million Americans are one setback away from economic ruin and millions more are in danger of having to rely on government assistance for survival.

So as this prolonged economic crisis continues, these safety nets, that are already overwhelmed, will have to support more and more people and will inevitably break down. As we have just begun to see, budget cuts to vital social programs on the state and federal levels will become increasingly severe right at the point when many more Americans will need them. As the 52 million Americans currently surviving in “anti-poverty” programs are gradually cutoff from life-sustaining government assistance - and as the 239 million people now living paycheck to paycheck, buried in debt, stressing out and working their asses off just to make ends meet realize that things are not going to be getting any better — and are only going to get worse — social unrest and outbursts of violence will eventually start to bubble up to the surface and the ruling elite will no longer be able to maintain power by simply deceiving the masses via mainstream media propaganda.

When an overwhelming majority of the population directly feels negative effects upon their own living standards, the propaganda system collapses. The illusion comes crashing down and people will finally start to get wise to the horrific scam that is being played on them. When they wake from their media-induced American dream state and realize that they are now living in a nightmare, as crazy as it may sound, people will actually stop voting against their own interests. The apathetic majority, that doesn’t vote, will become active in the interests of self-preservation as their survival instincts kick in.

The handwriting is on the wall and the ruling class has to realize that by the time 2012 rolls around, their puppet politicians will be voted out of office, or their heads will roll, quite literally.

Looking at this from a purely technocratic sociological viewpoint, avoiding mass riots and violence while this many desperate people lose life-sustaining programs appears to be an impossible task, and given our current economic and political environment this seems inevitable.

In an article titled “A Planet at the Brink: Will Economic Brushfires Prove Too Virulent to Contain?” Michael T. Klare explained:

“As people lose confidence in the ability of markets and governments to solve the global crisis, they are likely to erupt into violent protests or to assault others they deem responsible for their plight, including government officials, plant managers, landlords, immigrants, and ethnic minorities. (The list could, in the future, prove long and unnerving.) If the present economic disaster turns into what President Obama has referred to as a ‘lost decade,’ the result could be a global landscape filled with economically-fueled upheavals.”

Former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski expressed his fears:

“I was worrying about it because we’re going to have millions and millions of unemployed, people really facing dire straits. And we’re going to be having that for some period of time before things hopefully improve. And at the same time there is public awareness of this extraordinary wealth that was transferred to a few individuals at levels without historical precedent in America….

And you sort of say to yourself: what’s going to happen in this society when these people are without jobs, when their families hurt, when they lose their homes, and so forth?”

Outbreaks of civil unrest are something that the US government and Pentagon have been expecting, and preparing for. Former US Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee stating that the greatest threat facing the US is not terrorism, it’s the current economic crisis:

“The primary near-term security concern of the United States is the global economic crisis and its geopolitical implications. The crisis has been ongoing…. Of course, all of us recall the dramatic political consequences wrought by the economic turmoil of the 1920s and 1930s in Europe, the instability, and high levels of violent extremism.”

Intelligence Committee Vice-Chair Christopher Bond said the economic crisis is now “the primary focus of the intelligence community.” As the Army War College has warned, the response to this coming phase of the economic crisis “might include use of military force against hostile groups inside the United States. Further, DoD [the Department of Defense] would be, by necessity, an essential enabling hub for the continuity of political authority in a multi-state or nationwide civil conflict or disturbance.”

Journalist Chris Hedges summed up this report:

“The specter of social unrest was raised at the US Army War College in November in a monograph titled ‘Known Unknowns: Unconventional ‘Strategic Shocks’ in Defense Strategy Development.’ …

The ‘widespread civil violence,’ the document said, ‘would force the defense establishment to reorient priorities in extremis to defend basic domestic order and human security.’

‘An American government and defense establishment lulled into complacency by a long-secure domestic order would be forced to rapidly divest some or most external security commitments in order to address rapidly expanding human insecurity at home,’ it went on….

In plain English, something bureaucrats and the military seem incapable of employing, this translates into the imposition of martial law and a de facto government being run out of the Department of Defense. They are considering it. So should you.”
 

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It will be wordwide, not just the USA. God-the-Father and God-the-Son do seek repentance and faith of all people, not just those in the USA; conversely will punish all who do not accept Jesus Christ, in the USA and around the world. God is not limited to just the USA. He has the whole world in His hands.

I'd recommend reading Revelation yourself first. Maybe even twice. And please don't get down on yourself about it - Christian scholars are still trying to understand it, put the pieces together, and even they could be wrong. Only God-the-Father knows.

Furthermore, remember, Revelation was written by John the Revelator in AD 95 (or around that), given by Jesus Christ. The first chapters are dealing with the Christian church then (in Asia minor, around present day Turkey), possibly up to now, before the 1st seal is opened. We don't know if the opening of the 1st seal has occurred yet - it may not have been.

Here is a good website to really dig into: Tracking the Birth Pangs - News and Links. As well as Tracking Bible Prophecy: Revelation Commentary - Introduction for a study on Revelation. And also good info on God/Magog Tracking Bible Prophecy: The Gog and Magog War
I hadn't given thought to it being world wide. I was wondering how the banking cartel plan to reduce America's population by 2025 as listed on the Deagel government website. I wonder if we're to "hide ourselves" as Scripture warns: "He who sees the evil hides himself..." Does anyone else ponder this?

I just read that a professor in Wisconsin predicted the end of America by 2025. I wonder why people are coming up with that date.

You think there is going to be WW 3 of some sort? We're told to watch for the signs. I read that Russia is building nuclear shelters throughout their country and were deliberately trying to hide it from Americans. The news is all owned now however, so I don't know how much of it we can trust. For instance - no newspaper to my knowledge ever reported on the van full of explosives that was caught after 9-11. It contained Israeli spies and the side of the van was a mural of a plane hitting the World Trade Center!

9/11 Mural Van, page 1

I've been reading Revelations very slowly. It takes me awhile to fully grasp what I'm reading, and I'm playing catch-up since I was never in a bible study that taught it. I was thinking about asking our pastor to do some sermons on it.

Thanks for the resources - I'm looking for more quality resources. I have such a thirst for understanding the end times. It's an exciting yet precarious time to live. Brakelite shared Walter Veiths videos and I could not believe that the Simpsons cartoon predicted 9-11. Veith piqued my curiosity so then I watched another video about it and am shocked at the 9-11 predictions and demonic symbolism throughout childrens cartoons. I don't know if that's a way that Satan/ Satanists are intentionally indoctrinating children or if the powers that be are just enjoying making fun of us for being clueless.

I urge everyone to watch Veith or the following:

 
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I firmly believe the American people are being played, as are the rest of us in Great Britain, Canada, Australia, N.Z., and other former Commonwealth countries. While our governments, for several generations now, have waged relentless war against communism and now Islam, the real enemy has been quietly consolidating control from within. Not only the American people but all of us have far more to fear from those very few in power in Washington, New York, London, and the Vatican, then any number of thousands from Riyadh, Mecca, Tehran, Bagdad, Havana, Damascus, Ankara, Beijing and Moscow combined.
And while Messianic, evangelical and charismatic/pentecostal Christianity is besides itself searching avidly to the distant horizon in expectation of the "Antichrist" who they claim is going to wage relentless war against the church and everything named "Christian", leaning over the back fence is their local neighbour whom they fail to recognise inviting them all to a community barbecue...where they will be the main item on the menu.
I too agree that we're all being played. It takes a lot of discernment and questioning everything. I no longer believe newscasters and don't watch any news hardly. I try to use alternative sources of news. I've found that you can come up with entirely new sources of information just by changing the topic you search for slightly. But one consistent theme I see on alternative news sites is the bankers, the Pope, and the leaders of every country are all in on it. Merkel flooded Germany with Muslims, May and the Queen flooded the UK with Muslims, Obama and now Trump are flooding America with Central Americans and Indians etc. The countries are all being separated according to the New World Order. This is how we know that Trump isn't legitimate. He doesn't give one scintilla of a thought to the Americans who have been killed by criminal aliens, and those such as myself who were kept from being seen in the Emergency Room. Wait until that happens to you. You'll be "blessing" the lot of them when you're left to roll around in agony. All he is doing is fulfilling the plan of his masters. Brakelite - I know that you know more about this - who is in control? Is it the bankers or the Vatican? I'm still trying to sort it out.

UN Divides the World into 10 Regional Groupings

God reveals that the coming of Antichrist will be preceded by the deliberate action and planning of 10 rulers that will gain all political power in the world just before Antichrist arises. In fact, the entire world will be reorganized into 10 Super Nations. The creation of NAFTA had nothing to do with economics; rather, NAFTA is Nation #1 of this 10-nation reorganization plan, of which the Bible prophesies in Daniel and in Revelation.

Listen now to God's prophecy concerning the secret plans which these 10 rulers devise to seize control of the world and then hand this control over to Antichrist [the Beast]. Notice that these 10 rulers are secretly working with Antichrist even before he becomes public:
"The 10 horns that you observed are 10 rulers... who are to receive power and authority for a single hour, along with the beast. These have one common policy (purpose), and they deliver their power to the beast... God has put it into their hearts to carry out His own purpose by acting in harmony in surrendering their royal power and authority to the beast until the prophetic words of God shall be fulfilled." [Revelation 17:12-13, 17]
A careful reading of this passage makes it very clear that the 10 rulers devise a plan prior to the appearance of Antichrist, and that they plan to turn their political power over to Antichrist as soon as he arises. This scenario is very consistent with Daniel's revelations about the 10 toes and 10 rulers in chapters 2 and 7, respectively.

Therefore, when we see the U.S. President leading the global charge to a United Nations' government, we know that this is Satan's plan, not God's. We can also know that its final implementation is the result of a conspiracy, supernaturally directed by Satan for well over 100 years. And, just as the Bible foretold, this conspiracy will result in the appearance of Antichrist.


  • The United States of America (USA): The US, Canada, all Central American and Carribean states, most Atlantic islands (including Greenland and Iceland), most Pacific islands, Taiwan, Hainan, the Philippines and several now Indonesian islands, including Sulawesi. This was to be the dominant power in the world, military and otherwise.

  • The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR): The Soviets were to be rewarded with Persia (Iran), Mongolia, Manchuria, Finland, and all of Eastern Europe, which subsequently would form part of the Eastern Bloc (excluding Albania, but including the real-life maverick state of Yugoslavia, socialist but anti-Soviet) . All of theses states were simply to become member-states of the USSR. Austria and most of Germany, although ‘quarantained’ are shown within the Soviet sphere.

  • The United States of South America (USSA): Including all South American states, with the three Guianas as a single constituent state and the Falkland Islands part of the USSA.

  • The Union of African Republics (UAR): All of Africa as a federation of republics.

  • The Arabian Federated Republics (AFR): Covering Saudi and all other states now occupying the Arabian Peninsula, plus present-day Iraq and Syria.

  • The Federated Republics of India (FRI): Present-day Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh and Birma (Myanmar).

  • The United Republics of China (URC): A federation including all parts of present-day China, Korea, the erstwhile French colony of Indochina (now Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia), Thailand and Malaya.

  • The United States of Scandinavia (USS): Norway, Sweden, Denmark.

  • The United States of Europe (USE): The Benelux countries, the German Rhineland, France, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal and Italy.