Prophecy Alert: "The Fig Tree Generation"

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Jay Ross

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Me to. Can you tell me/us How or why you believe that? My story/ experience was told and discuss here. The holy spirit told me I would be alive when Jesus returned.
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If the prophetic word that all of the saints will be raised up at the time of Jesus' return along with the saints remaining, then the prophetic word that you received will be true. However, your understanding is applying a short term timeframe to the word that you received, whereas the timeframe applicable to the "word" that you received that you will be alive, i.e. raised up, when Jesus returns is about a distant future event with a with a long timeframe before it will occur when all of the saints will be alive when Jesus returns.

That would be my understanding of the word that you received.

Shalom
 

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You're right, Jay, my bad, I don't know what I was thinking. Replace every time I say a thousand with "one" year.:eek:
 

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God gave the sign of circumcision to Abraham. Any, blood relatives not circumcised were excommunicated. The same rite also became part of Mosaic law.

It's already been proven wrong. Just saying the same thing in a different way doesn't make you correct.
 

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Prophecy Alert: "The Fig Tree Generation"
We are the Fig tree generation as we are seeing all the signs named in Matthew 24 that Jesus says we believeres wouls see just before He returns!!!PTL. Google==
Prophecy Alert: "The Fig Tree Generation"
To the OP . . .

Matthew 24:32-33 "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors."

Mark 13:28-29 "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors."

Luke 21:29-31 "And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand."


A parable being . . . cast alongside . . . a familiar story or concept which communicates the truth being told.

Jesus told a parable, the fig tree, not just the fig tree, all the trees, you know summer is near when the branches get tender and start putting out leaves.

In the same way as when you look at the trees and know the season, just like when the green leaves start to appear, when these signs begin to appear, you'll know that summer is near.

So, what are the signs that show Jesus is near? The fig tree is a parable, the signs are what Jesus said before. Wars, earthquakes, so on, right up the abomination of desolation, and great tribulation.

Just like the more leaves that appear, the closer spring is to summer, by the same token, the more signs you see, the closer we are to His return.

I don't see this as a formula for figuring out the end times. I see it as a parable to encourage us to watch, and understand what we see, of the signs that Jesus gave.

Much love!
Mark
 
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Well then what part of the AU landscape do you walk over then when you leave your abode.

How does where I live have anything to do with brothels and watersheds? If these are Aussie slang for something else, I have not heard them.
 

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How does where I live have anything to do with brothels and watersheds? If these are Aussie slang for something else, I have not heard them.

You are the one telling the story now.

The reference to a brothel was with respect to where I lived and if the waves get up the asset for the reason for the popularity of that areas could soon be washed away.

The watershed I was referring to was out western Queensland near Eulo to highlight that the ranges separating river systems in that region are not very high, if you know what I mean.
 
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You're right, Jay, my bad, I don't know what I was thinking. Replace every time I say a thousand with "one" year.:eek:

You are the one who is miss quoting what I wrote. your bad.
 

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Not so long ago I had 2 drams, the first was a Limousine in the back where all the bridesmaids, all excited heading off to the wedding feast, than a few days later a second one, this time the driver opened the door and said, " get in we must go", so time is short.

Thanks for the response. Your dream sounds like a pre. or mid trib. rapture that a lot of people don't believe in.
I hope your dream is prophetic for you.

Did you read the link I provided? My experience was not a dream. It was day time, I was awake, It was physical
and audible. I don't think I will be going in the rapture. I believe I will still be in the flesh when Jesus sets foot on the mount of olives.

If the prophetic word that all of the saints will be raised up at the time of Jesus' return along with the saints remaining, then the prophetic word that you received will be true. However, your understanding is applying a short term timeframe to the word that you received, whereas the timeframe applicable to the "word" that you received that you will be alive, i.e. raised up, when Jesus returns is about a distant future event with a with a long timeframe before it will occur when all of the saints will be alive when Jesus returns.

That would be my understanding of the word that you received.

Jay: I don't think there is that much time left. In Mat. 24 mrk.13 and luk. 21. Jesus Lists the signs of the of His return. and adds that they will all come to pass in one generation. " this generation will not pass away before I return. " The Fig tree = Israel becoming a nation ( in one day ) = ( another prophecy ) was the first sign. May 1948, I was born in 1941. I was 7 yrs old. Most people do not live passed 120 yrs. If I live to be 120 yrs old that is 43 yrs from now. I don't know the day or hour or year of His return. But I do not believe it is possible, based on Prophecy, to be hundreds or thousands of yrs. from now. But I will be alive when Jesus returns. God bless all.

Pomp.
 

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Jay: I don't think there is that much time left. In Mat. 24 mrk.13 and luk. 21. Jesus Lists the signs of the of His return. and adds that they will all come to pass in one generation. " this generation will not pass away before I return. " The Fig tree = Israel becoming a nation ( in one day ) = ( another prophecy ) was the first sign. May 1948, I was born in 1941. I was 7 yrs old. Most people do not live passed 120 yrs. If I live to be 120 yrs old that is 43 yrs from now. I don't know the day or hour or year of His return. But I do not believe it is possible, based on Prophecy, to be hundreds or thousands of yrs. from now. But I will be alive when Jesus returns. God bless all.

You can hold to whatever theory you like concerning when Christ is to return. All I did was to explain to you why you will be alive when Jesus returns, whether it is 100 years or 1,000 years into our future.

I know that you will be over 100 years old, should you still be alive, when this present age ends and Armageddon occurs. The sign that the Armageddon event is real was given 18 years ago and the gathering of all of the nations is presently underway and still has around 25 years to go before all of the nations will be assembling in sight of Jerusalem. It is my view that Jesus returns at the end of the next age.

Shalom
 

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Thanks for the response. Your dream sounds like a pre. or mid trib. rapture that a lot of people don't believe in.
I hope your dream is prophetic for you.

Did you read the link I provided? My experience was not a dream. It was day time, I was awake, It was physical
and audible. I don't think I will be going in the rapture. I believe I will still be in the flesh when Jesus sets foot on the mount of olives.



Jay: I don't think there is that much time left. In Mat. 24 mrk.13 and luk. 21. Jesus Lists the signs of the of His return. and adds that they will all come to pass in one generation. " this generation will not pass away before I return. " The Fig tree = Israel becoming a nation ( in one day ) = ( another prophecy ) was the first sign. May 1948, I was born in 1941. I was 7 yrs old. Most people do not live passed 120 yrs. If I live to be 120 yrs old that is 43 yrs from now. I don't know the day or hour or year of His return. But I do not believe it is possible, based on Prophecy, to be hundreds or thousands of yrs. from now. But I will be alive when Jesus returns. God bless all.

Pomp.
There are a lot of people right now who are adamant He will be here soon.
 

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Tell me this: how are false Christs (v5), wars and rumours of wars (v7), famines and earthquakes (v8), tribulation and death in the name of Christ (v9), false prophets (v11) and increasing lawlessness (v12) in any way differ from what has been happening in the Disciples times to now?

2 Peter 3:3-4
 

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You are the one who is miss quoting what I wrote. your bad.

It's easy really, for something to become a "principle" which is a fundamental truth or law then every single time the word day is used in a prophecy it would have to mean a year. If there is one time when the word "day" does NOT mean a year, then it can NOT be considered a principle, thus each prophecy should be judged on its own merits individually and not collectively. For example, every time the phrase, "that day", "the day of the Lord" is used, it would have to be the last (1) year. but we know that is not the case. Jesus was in the grave for 3 literal days, NOT 3 yrs.! Just because a belief has been in error for 500 yrs. doesn't make it true. There are a lot of long time false beliefs out there. The SDA's have made insignificant events and have had to lean on questionable symbolism to force them into being fulfillments of prophecies when they are not.
 

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You can hold to whatever theory you like concerning when Christ is to return. All I did was to explain to you why you will be alive when Jesus returns, whether it is 100 years or 1,000 years into our future.

I know that you will be over 100 years old, should you still be alive, when this present age ends and Armageddon occurs. The sign that the Armageddon event is real was given 18 years ago and the gathering of all of the nations is presently underway and still has around 25 years to go before all of the nations will be assembling in sight of Jerusalem. It is my view that Jesus returns at the end of the next age.

Shalom

Maybe I missed it but I don't see any biblical evidence to support what you are saying.
 

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The good figs of Judah -namely, the Apostles and those Jewish Christians who followed Jesus; were the ‘branches’ of the "tree", that were not cut off. Romans 11:17a

This fig tree producing good fruits, following Jesus the King of Judah, retained the right to be called by the tribal name of Judah. They are the "true Jews," as it were. Those who rejected Jesus and still continue to reject Him today, are rejected by God, Matthew 21:32, Revelation 2:9


Jeremiah 24:1-10 shows that God sees the nation of Judah as a fig tree and the nation was actually divided into two groups of people-those whose fruits were very good, and those whose fruits were very bad. This is really no different from any other nation, for there is not a nation in the world that has all righteous people or all unrighteous people. But in the case of Judah it is a matter of divine separation into two distinct fig trees, because God intended to treat them differently. He intended to give Judah’s dominion mandate to those who produced good fruit, and at the same time He intended to disinherit those who produced bad fruit.

Jesus Himself produced good fruit. He was born of a Judahite mother, as proven in the genealogies of Matthew 1 and Luke 3. But as the King of Judah, He was more than just a fig branch that was producing good fruit. He was, is, the root of the tree, to which were attached various branches that bore good fruit. Jesus said as much when He used a slightly different motif of the vine and branches:

John 15:1-6 I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it, that it may bear more fruit... I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me, and I in him, he bears much fruit; for apart from Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

It is clear from this that only those who abide in Christ will bear the type of fruit that God is seeking. If one claims to be in Christ, but does not produce these fruits of the Kingdom, he is cut off. And " if anyone does not abide in Me," Jesus says, " he is thrown away as a branch and dries up. " Surely He had in mind those Jews who had rejected Him as Messiah. Only a few days earlier, Jesus had cursed the fig tree, and the disciples had marvelled that it had dried up by the following morning. He was saying, then, that the people who produced no fruit: or, as Jeremiah put it, those who produced only inedible figs would be cut off and burned.

This is precisely what happened. Judah split into two factions, or two "trees." Those who accepted Jesus as Messiah became the branches of the good fig tree. These were the inheritors of the dominion mandate given to Judah. Of these, Jesus said He would prune them in order that they would bring forth even more fruit.

Those who refused to accept Jesus as Messiah were cut off and are no longer inheritors of the dominion mandate. Jesus clearly said that there is no way that anyone can bear the proper fruit apart from being attached to Christ.
 

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It's easy really, for something to become a "principle" which is a fundamental truth or law then every single time the word day is used in a prophecy it would have to mean a year. If there is one time when the word "day" does NOT mean a year, then it can NOT be considered a principle, thus each prophecy should be judged on its own merits individually and not collectively. For example, every time the phrase, "that day", "the day of the Lord" is used, it would have to be the last (1) year. but we know that is not the case. Jesus was in the grave for 3 literal days, NOT 3 yrs.! Just because a belief has been in error for 500 yrs. doesn't make it true. There are a lot of long time false beliefs out there. The SDA's have made insignificant events and have had to lean on questionable symbolism to force them into being fulfillments of prophecies when they are not.

First off, I am not a SDAQ stooge on this forum as you have implied. I also provided proof that the year for a day principle was being used long before the formation of the SDA church.

Secondly repeating the same post from above does not make your post any more authoritative.

Maybe I missed it but I don't see any biblical evidence to support what you are saying.

Perhaps if you read the bible without your biases as to how it should be understood then perhaps you would glean from your laughing matter the references that I have alluded to. Some of the applicable reference are Rev 16:12-16, another is Isaiah 24:21-22 another is Ephesian, 6:12 etc. but you are so focused on protecting your POV that you use every false argument that you can.

Have a good day now, won't you?
 

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First off, I am not a SDAQ stooge on this forum as you have implied. I also provided proof that the year for a day principle was being used long before the formation of the SDA church.

Secondly repeating the same post from above does not make your post any more authoritative.



Perhaps if you read the bible without your biases as to how it should be understood then perhaps you would glean from your laughing matter the references that I have alluded to. Some of the applicable reference are Rev 16:12-16, another is Isaiah 24:21-22 another is Ephesian, 6:12 etc. but you are so focused on protecting your POV that you use every false argument that you can.

Have a good day now, won't you?

I see nothing in your references that offers a time frame, btw, I don't need to "protect" my POV, it stands well on its own. Remember, when you point a finger at someone else there are always three pointing back at you.
 
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It's already been proven wrong. Just saying the same thing in a different way doesn't make you correct.
Circumcision made one the covenant seed of Abraham. True or false?

God told Abraham that any not circumcised were to be cut off. True or false?

Abraham's seed consisted of over 300 foreigners and their families when God instituted circumcision. True or False?

Ishmael was Abraham's only blood relative at the time. True of False?

Moses continued the rite of circumcision as given to Abraham. True or False?

Jesus abolished circumcision on the cross ending physical membership in Abraham's seed. True or False?

Paul says Jesus is Abraham's seed along with those who believe in him. True or False?
 
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Circumcision made one the covenant seed of Abraham. True or false?

God told Abraham that any not circumcised were to be cut off. True or false? True premise, False reasoning, Circumcision was a "sign" that they will keep the covenant. Circumcision became the law, not evidence of blood birth. If they weren't circumcised, they were ousted for not keeping the law of which circumcision was part of.

Abraham's seed consisted of over 300 foreigners and their families when God instituted circumcision. True or False? True

Ishmael was Abraham's only blood relative at the time. True of False? False, Lot was his nephew of his father's side. The bible doesn't say whether his father, mother or brother were alive or not when circumcision came to be.

Moses continued the rite of circumcision as given to Abraham. True or False? True, because it was the "law" but, Israel did not cease to be because circumcision had stopped. In fact scripture does not say anywhere that all the males of those who left Egypt ever got circumcised. It was started with the young AFTER their escape, so that kinda blows your theory out of the water, right there.

Jesus abolished circumcision on the cross ending physical membership in Abraham's seed. True or False? Yes and no. Jesus abolished it on the cross because it was part of the now completed law, however, it wasn't until Paul's teaching that the law was fulfilled, that that truth became evident.

Paul says Jesus is Abraham's seed along with those who believe in him. True or False?
Jesus was "literally" of Abraham's seed but yes because we join the family by faith as Abraham did. Faith is what counted, not circumcision because circumcision didn't mean that person would grow up to be a righteous person, so many Israelites may have been circumcised but still went to damnation. Circumcision was never the covenant itself, it was just a "sign" of remembrance of the covenant.
 
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Jesus was "literally" of Abraham's seed but yes because we join the family by faith as Abraham did. Faith is what counted, not circumcision because circumcision didn't mean that person would grow up to be a righteous person, so many Israelites may have been circumcised but still went to damnation. Circumcision was never the covenant itself, it was just a "sign" of remembrance of the covenant.
Circumcision made one a physical Jew and a physical member of Israel. If not circumcised on the eighth day, they were cut off and remained gentiles.