First elected Muslim Congressman refuses to take Oath of Office by swearing on the Bible.opinions please
Oath on Bible Refused by Congressman
- Thread starter Christina
- Start date
-
Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.
You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
- Status
(kriss;4427)
First elected Muslim Congressman refuses to take Oath of Office by swearing on the Bible.opinions please
My opinion is that he should be disqualified from taking office.Short and sweet, don't you think?
First elected Muslim Congressman refuses to take Oath of Office by swearing on the Bible.opinions please
My opinion is that he should be disqualified from taking office.Short and sweet, don't you think?
yes I agree this is America if you want to serve it you should fully embrace its citizens Christian based society and it also should raise flags with any one who believes that Islam embraces Christ and Christianity and worships the same God we do, as they claim.To swear on the bible to up-hold the law of the office by no means belittles or effects what religion he pracitces.So unless its a Islamic sin to swear something on Gods word I have to ask myself if his god is different than mine.By the way I would feel the same if a Mormon refused to swear on anything but the book of Mormon or a Scientologists refused to swear on anything but L.Ron Hubburds book, As these are not books of the Word of the One God but of men.
This board will not like my opinion, but I will say it anyway. If the Congressman wants to be sworn in by a Koran, then so be it. There is such a thing as freedom of religion, and while it is controversial, and people will go up in arms about it, but to abolish one form of religion, you might as well abolish the rest and become a police state.
No one said abolish a religion my point is you take the oath of office or even in a court room you swear to tell the truth and you swear on Gods word not a religion if you believe in One God as the Islamic's claim too whats the problem or is it their god isn't our God thats my question .And if the answer is we don"t worship the same god then do I want this person to serve as a congressman in my country?
(kriss;4482)
No one said abolish a religion my point is you take the oath of office or even in a court room you swear to tell the truth and you swear on Gods word not a religion if you believe in One God as the Islamic's claim too whats the problem or is it their god isn't our God thats my question .And if the answer is we don"t worship the same god then do I want this person to serve as a congressman in my country?
I apologize if I mis-read the question. He was elected and is a Muslim. Obviously, somebody wanted him to serve as a congressman. If wants a Koran, I do not see it as a big deal, but some do, and that is okay as well.I do not know much about Islam. However, somehow, I do not see their view of God is the same as ours, or whoever. I'll have to look it up, but it seems doubtful. He wants the Koran... I do not see the problem.
No one said abolish a religion my point is you take the oath of office or even in a court room you swear to tell the truth and you swear on Gods word not a religion if you believe in One God as the Islamic's claim too whats the problem or is it their god isn't our God thats my question .And if the answer is we don"t worship the same god then do I want this person to serve as a congressman in my country?
I apologize if I mis-read the question. He was elected and is a Muslim. Obviously, somebody wanted him to serve as a congressman. If wants a Koran, I do not see it as a big deal, but some do, and that is okay as well.I do not know much about Islam. However, somehow, I do not see their view of God is the same as ours, or whoever. I'll have to look it up, but it seems doubtful. He wants the Koran... I do not see the problem.
He wants the Koran... I do not see the problem.
You don't see a problem, because you're not a Christian. Our country was founded on Christian principals not on the Koran. The Koran believes in converting the people of the world any which way they can, including violence.When a public servant put his/her hand on the Bible they are swearing to our Christian God and our God is living and active and will punish the politicians that lie to the people.The Koran? I don't know about their god--I'm not even sure he's out there and in any position to do anything.Now here's this for you. If it's not a problem, as you state, then it shouldn't be a problem for this character to put his hand on the Bible and swear an oath. That is........if it truly isn't a problem, as you say....
You don't see a problem, because you're not a Christian. Our country was founded on Christian principals not on the Koran. The Koran believes in converting the people of the world any which way they can, including violence.When a public servant put his/her hand on the Bible they are swearing to our Christian God and our God is living and active and will punish the politicians that lie to the people.The Koran? I don't know about their god--I'm not even sure he's out there and in any position to do anything.Now here's this for you. If it's not a problem, as you state, then it shouldn't be a problem for this character to put his hand on the Bible and swear an oath. That is........if it truly isn't a problem, as you say....
Jews elected to office have had no problem swearing on the Bible. My problem is in that swearing on the Bible is part of the process in two important ways.1. We've been swearing on the Bible for years now including those who aren't religious and the Jewish members who have made it into office. I don't think this makes it a question of faith at all. I want the same book because if a Muslim uses the Koran, then what's to stop an atheist from using his favorite secular book or a copy of last week's sports magazine? It follows our motto: "Out of many, one." This is a unified nation and everyone should be held to the same standard.2. Keith Ellison was elected to represent his district and arguably America, and not Keith Ellison.
(ROS777;4517)
You don't see a problem, because you're not a Christian. Our country was founded on Christian principals not on the Koran. The Koran believes in converting the people of the world any which way they can, including violence.When a public servant put his/her hand on the Bible they are swearing to our Christian God and our God is living and active and will punish the politicians that lie to the people.The Koran? I don't know about their god--I'm not even sure he's out there and in any position to do anything.Now here's this for you. If it's not a problem, as you state, then it shouldn't be a problem for this character to put his hand on the Bible and swear an oath. That is........if it truly isn't a problem, as you say....
No, I do not see a problem because the US was founded on religious freedom. Yes, I know that Muslims are a serious bone of contention, and that is okay. Some do not like the idea of somebody requesting a Koran instead of the Bible. I am thinking if the Muslim does not buy into the idea of taking an oath on a Bible and would rather use a Koran, should it be part of religious freedom?
Jews elected to office have had no problem swearing on the Bible. My problem is in that swearing on the Bible is part of the process in two important ways.1. We've been swearing on the Bible for years now including those who aren't religious and the Jewish members who have made it into office. I don't think this makes it a question of faith at all. I want the same book because if a Muslim uses the Koran, then what's to stop an atheist from using his favorite secular book or a copy of last week's sports magazine? It follows our motto: "Out of many, one." This is a unified nation and everyone should be held to the same standard.2. Keith Ellison was elected to represent his district and arguably America, and not Keith Ellison.
Yeah, it can be a slippery slope. I have no idea where the line should be drawn, and is a huge source of debate. Maybe they need to get a stack of Sports Illustrated. Who knows?
You don't see a problem, because you're not a Christian. Our country was founded on Christian principals not on the Koran. The Koran believes in converting the people of the world any which way they can, including violence.When a public servant put his/her hand on the Bible they are swearing to our Christian God and our God is living and active and will punish the politicians that lie to the people.The Koran? I don't know about their god--I'm not even sure he's out there and in any position to do anything.Now here's this for you. If it's not a problem, as you state, then it shouldn't be a problem for this character to put his hand on the Bible and swear an oath. That is........if it truly isn't a problem, as you say....
No, I do not see a problem because the US was founded on religious freedom. Yes, I know that Muslims are a serious bone of contention, and that is okay. Some do not like the idea of somebody requesting a Koran instead of the Bible. I am thinking if the Muslim does not buy into the idea of taking an oath on a Bible and would rather use a Koran, should it be part of religious freedom?
Jews elected to office have had no problem swearing on the Bible. My problem is in that swearing on the Bible is part of the process in two important ways.1. We've been swearing on the Bible for years now including those who aren't religious and the Jewish members who have made it into office. I don't think this makes it a question of faith at all. I want the same book because if a Muslim uses the Koran, then what's to stop an atheist from using his favorite secular book or a copy of last week's sports magazine? It follows our motto: "Out of many, one." This is a unified nation and everyone should be held to the same standard.2. Keith Ellison was elected to represent his district and arguably America, and not Keith Ellison.
Yeah, it can be a slippery slope. I have no idea where the line should be drawn, and is a huge source of debate. Maybe they need to get a stack of Sports Illustrated. Who knows?
Thats the thing we are all saying Bope its not about religion at all when you swear on the Bible you are only saying I swear to God (not what you believe) just that you promise God you wont lie or will carry out your duty Why would that matter If you were an athist you could still promise God to fufill your duty it just that in your mind it wouldn't mean anything to you.Put Another way what would you say if asked to swear on Satans word most people would protest because Satan is Gods enemy so to swear to the enemy of the American motto One Nation under God would be a problem reguardless of your religion.
(kriss;4527)
Thats the thing we are all saying Bope its not about religion at all when you swear on the Bible you are only saying I swear to God (not what you believe) just that you promise God you wont lie or will carry out your duty Why would that matter If you were an athist you could still promise God to fufill your duty it just that in your mind it wouldn't mean anything to you.Put Another way what would you say if asked to swear on Satans word most people would protest because Satan is Gods enemy so to swear to the enemy of the American motto One Nation under God would be a problem reguardless of your religion.
That is fine. The thing is, the person wants to use a Koran. To make somebody use a Bible instead of the Koran raises the debate on where the line should be drawn.As for the satanic thing, it can be flipped. If you were asked to do that, and requested a Bible instead, and somebody said "No! that's the way it should be because it has been done for a long time" or something of that nature would cause controversy.
Thats the thing we are all saying Bope its not about religion at all when you swear on the Bible you are only saying I swear to God (not what you believe) just that you promise God you wont lie or will carry out your duty Why would that matter If you were an athist you could still promise God to fufill your duty it just that in your mind it wouldn't mean anything to you.Put Another way what would you say if asked to swear on Satans word most people would protest because Satan is Gods enemy so to swear to the enemy of the American motto One Nation under God would be a problem reguardless of your religion.
That is fine. The thing is, the person wants to use a Koran. To make somebody use a Bible instead of the Koran raises the debate on where the line should be drawn.As for the satanic thing, it can be flipped. If you were asked to do that, and requested a Bible instead, and somebody said "No! that's the way it should be because it has been done for a long time" or something of that nature would cause controversy.
As for the satanic thing, it can be flipped. If you were asked to do that, and requested a Bible instead, and somebody said "No! that's the way it should be because it has been done for a long time" or something of that nature would cause controversy
(kriss;4532)
Exactly. I would refuse because it would be a Sin for me to swear to Satan. Isn't that what he is saying about God?
Yep, and for this guy wanting to use a Koran, that's what he believes and wants to use. Maybe to him, using a Bible instead of a Koran is a bad thing to him. So what is good in his eyes and bad to another is the defacto standard?sigh...
Exactly. I would refuse because it would be a Sin for me to swear to Satan. Isn't that what he is saying about God?
Yep, and for this guy wanting to use a Koran, that's what he believes and wants to use. Maybe to him, using a Bible instead of a Koran is a bad thing to him. So what is good in his eyes and bad to another is the defacto standard?sigh...
(kriss;4544)
Let me clarify my statement here it wouldn't just be a sin it would be an abomination to everything I stand for and my country is about and if this is how he feels thats fine but why should he be allowed to serve our country ?
Non sequitur.If somebody does not want him in office, vote him out, or impeach the guy. See how far you get with the arguments you are using.Or make a rule somewhere that says, "Nobody can use a Koran or anything else. Use the supplied Bible please."
Let me clarify my statement here it wouldn't just be a sin it would be an abomination to everything I stand for and my country is about and if this is how he feels thats fine but why should he be allowed to serve our country ?
Non sequitur.If somebody does not want him in office, vote him out, or impeach the guy. See how far you get with the arguments you are using.Or make a rule somewhere that says, "Nobody can use a Koran or anything else. Use the supplied Bible please."
This is a clear 1st Amendment issue if I ever seen one. If he wishes to take an oath of office upon a Quran, he should be allowed to do so.How many homosexual baby aborting public officials have sworn the oath on a Bible? Placing ones hand on a book means nothing. It has become an empty gesture. Ones faith is reflected by what they actually do and where they stand. not on going through worthless motions.
Bope and Bernie Sorry guys but you have both missed the entire point its not a religious matter its not a political matter its just a promise to uphold the office he ran for the question is WHY dosen't he want to promise on somthing he claims to believe in.
- Status
Similar threads
