Our Young Earth

(Alpha and Omega;52672)
Look friend this has nothing to do with evolution at all. Thomas Chalmers was one of the first to teach this theory (1814). A full 45 years before Darwin even wrote his "Origin of Species" (1859). So the intent was not to compromise anything for evolution. The 2 subjects are completely different and unrelated. Furthermore, is the Bible wrong or the concordance? After all the concordance is not the word of God (although a great work in its own right). I'm sure it is prone to error. I'll take the literal wording in the Bible over the concordance any day. I have a question though. Was there oil before Noah's flood?
The bible is not wrong but then again we don't exactly have the bible in it's original text what we have is a translation which is why a lot of people use the concordance to try and get the fullest meaning. The concordance contains the actual words in Hebrew and Greek if you are going to take the literal word then a concordance is as close as you can get. I am not going to debate the evolutionary subject with you but it is evident that that is where all this springs up from the numbers e.t.c. Also I think the Word is clear you are of course like every one free to believe what you wish. I think I , treeoflife and a good many have expressed the young earth creation truth enough. At this point I think it's best to leave it to the HolySpirit to enlighten and fully reveal His truth in this matter, enough scriptures have been shared to touch hearts. Blessings to you and all those that have debated their stand.

I agree with the spirit of your post Alistein and this subject is as I have stated not a matter of one salvation but rather an understanding of Gods plan and Words. I do however reject your scenario about scripture. We take it back to the language it was written in to get the fuller meaning true but there is almost nothing in the New testament that is not in the Old in one way or another. I think saying this kind of thing is an excuse people use for listening to men over God. I have never found your reasoning to be true. Everything has a type or a forerunner or second wittness its just work to dig it out. Thats the problem with our fast food religion today we would rather just accept some tradition than dig for truth. Then come up excuses why thats OK thats exactly why we have so many false teachings in the world, And have difficulty accepting Gods Words over these traditions of men.

(Alistein;52681)
I am not going to debate the evolutionary subject with you but it is evident that that is where all this springs up from the numbers e.t.c.
How can you even say that when this theory was stated before the evolution theory. Furthermore, this has been in scripture for thousands of years a hell of a lot longer then the theory of evolution. An old earth in no way gives credibility to evolution. I know evolution is wrong you know evolution is wrong so why do we keep talking about it? Just because evolution says there is an old earth and a Christian (or Bible) does not mean that one feeds the other. They are totally different subjects. Claims like these are just baseless if you think about it.

(eternalarcadia;53098)
(Kriss;52322)
It seems very convient that we do accept mens words about Evoulution but you will accept certain mens words as long as it supports your view point. This is all mens trash excuse my description but Gods Word says differently as do millions of other men and science so picking which group of men you believe proves nothing except you have an opinion. Hebrew language used in Gods Word and common sense will you differntly. Gods word says there was a first earth age, a second in which we no live and a third to come in which he will again make a new Heaven and New earth. That is by melting the Rudiments (elements) To believe in an old earth is perfectly in line with scripture its just not in line with mens teaching that one learned in Sunday school IMHO opinion knowledge has increased we know the earth is old scripture supports it and if that goes against mens teaching so be it. 5 But it is hid from them willing this thing, that heavens were before, and the earth of water was standing by water, by God's word [that heavens were first, and the earth of water and by water being, or standing, together by God's word]; Anyone thinking this is Noahs flood is in error the flood was never hidden and never affected the heavens 6 by which [things] that same world cleansed, then by water perished. 7 But the heavens that now be, and the earth, be kept by the same word, and be reserved to fire into the day of doom and perdition of wicked men. [Forsooth the heavens that now be, and the earth, by the same word put again, be kept to fire into the day of doom and perdition of unpious men.]
Just because millions of other men say differently doesn't mean anything. the majority used to think that the earth was flat and that bigger objects fell faster than smaller ones. Majority opinion doesn't establish fact.The earth is by no means old. All evidence that "proves" it to be is flawed. Give me any example and I can prove it to you.And I don't recall provable science to be trash.So you are saying God is flawed and His creations (humans) are right? Actually, why don't you prove God wrong then?

(eternalarcadia;53098)
The earth is by no means old. All evidence that "proves" it to be is flawed. Give me any example and I can prove it to you.And I don't recall provable science to be trash..
How about the evidence of vast oil fields in the earth. It takes millions of years to produce this oil. this image is from north eastern Kentuckyhere is the quote from the picture
In the Appalachian mountain range, you can drive down Interstate highway I-64 from the West Virginia/Kentucky border eastward into Virginia and see deep road cuts exposing repeating sequences of coal, sandstone, siltstone, shale, coal again, shale, etc. The presence of neat, multiple seams of coal in the sequence indicates periods of time when the surface of the land was above sea level, allowing vegetation to flourish, die, and accumulate.The sequences of sandstone, shale, siltstone and the like indicate delta associated deposits.Because it takes vegetation time to grow, die and accumulate, you can be sure that these kinds of alternating coal/rock sequences, which contain coal seams ranging from inches to several feet thick, required many, many years to form. (Coal is formed from the remains of trees and ferns.

(eternalarcadia;53120)
(thesuprejag;53099)
So you are saying God is flawed and His creations (humans) are right? Actually, why don't you prove God wrong then?
No, I don't believe God is flawed at all. He gave us the ability to study the world and come to conclusions about it. Some people just study the world and come to the completely wrong conclusion of the wonders of it.I don't believe God can be proven wrong either. I have no intention of proving the creator wrong.Well to be honest, I'm waiting for this exclusive scriptures in the bible about a Young Earth, but the fact is, I don't think you can, because it says otherwise.

(Alpha and Omega;53102)
How about the evidence of vast oil fields in the earth. It takes millions of years to produce this oil. this image is from north eastern Kentuckyhere is the quote from the picture
Coal colums take millions of years to make? I always thought a massive world wide flood could cause something like that. Being from Iowa, I know what just a LITTLE flooding can do to things.How long does it take to make this? I suppose if it made itself, or if nothing has changed... it would take a very long time. Trillions of years doesn't even capture how long it would take time and nature events to make this... because it would never happen. However, if this had intelligence behind it, with a purpose... I would say not that long, considering the alternative.Or, how long does it look like it took to make these two? God says He did it in a day. Do we believe him? When God created the earth, it had the appearance of "age", or what we know to be "age", as things would grow, and change.God made man and woman fully formed. Also, do not forget the flood. There is a very reasonable answer for coal columns, and everything else that makes the Earth appear to people to be millions of years old.

When we look at the clouds, we think of heaven, why? Because clouds are angels and water is symbolic for spirit meaning without form or physical body.Psalms 36:5 ESV Your steadfast love, O LORD, extends to the heavens, your faithfulness to the clouds.Daniel 7:13 ESV "I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him.So Genesis 1 was not really about water but angels.

(treeoflife;53132)
Coal colums take millions of years to make? I always thought a massive world wide flood could cause something like that. Being from Iowa, I know what just a LITTLE flooding can do to things.How long does it take to make this? I suppose if it made itself, or if nothing has changed... it would take a very long time. Trillions of years doesn't even capture how long it would take time and nature events to make this... because it would never happen. However, if this had intelligence behind it, with a purpose... I would say not that long, considering the alternative.Or, how long does it look like it took to make these two? God says He did it in a day. Do we believe him? When God created the earth, it had the appearance of "age", or what we know to be "age", as things would grow, and change.God made man and woman fully formed. Also, do not forget the flood. There is a very reasonable answer for coal columns, and everything else that makes the Earth appear to people to be millions of years old.
Treeoflife, when are you going to realize that the pictures you posted are referring to this age. (Second Earth Age) Because there was humans...flesh male body and female flesh body...

(thesuperjag;53175)
Treeoflife, when are you going to realize that the pictures you posted are referring to this age. (Second Earth Age) Because there was humans...flesh male body and female flesh body...
Possibly never... :-/

(treeoflife;53132)
Coal colums take millions of years to make? I always thought a massive world wide flood could cause something like that. Being from Iowa, I know what just a LITTLE flooding can do to things.How long does it take to make this?I suppose if it made itself, or if nothing has changed... it would take a very long time. Trillions of years doesn't even capture how long it would take time and nature events to make this... because it would never happen. However, if this had intelligence behind it, with a purpose... I would say not that long, considering the alternative.Or, how long does it look like it took to make these two? God says He did it in a day. Do we believe him?When God created the earth, it had the appearance of "age", or what we know to be "age", as things would grow, and change.God made man and woman fully formed. Also, do not forget the flood. There is a very reasonable answer for coal columns, and everything else that makes the Earth appear to people to be millions of years old.
You are comparing something man made to something caused by nature HUGE difference.

(treeoflife;53178)
(thesuperjag;53175)
Treeoflife, when are you going to realize that the pictures you posted are referring to this age. (Second Earth Age) Because there was humans...flesh male body and female flesh body...
Possibly never... :-/I see. You know I love you... I wish I could help you more...

In the book of Hebrews, the Lord Jesus Christ is said to be the maker of the "worlds" (plural): "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" (Heb. 1:2 KJV) "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." (Heb. 11:3 KJV)The Greek word in these two verses for "worlds" is aiōn, which means an age or a perpetuity of specific prevailing conditions in time upon the face of the Earth. Therefore, the word "world," as doctrinally defined in our Bible, is NOT referring to other planets in outer space but to defined ages, and prevailing conditions during those ages, past, present, and future.The "Earth" is a planet. It is a spherical-shaped mass of matter in time and space. The "world" is the specific set of conditions prevailing upon the face of the planet Earth at a specific point in Biblical time. The earth is a part of our present world, past worlds, and the future world to come (see Matt 12:32, Mark 10:30, Hebrews 2:5), but the Earth itself is not the whole "world." Our present "world" also consists of the stars in the sky, the trees of the field, the people, the cities of the nations, and the present evil world system on the face of the Earth:

(Alpha and Omega;53185)
In the book of Hebrews, the Lord Jesus Christ is said to be the maker of the "worlds" (plural): "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" (Heb. 1:2 KJV) "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." (Heb. 11:3 KJV)The Greek word in these two verses for "worlds" is aiōn, which means an age or a perpetuity of specific prevailing conditions in time upon the face of the Earth. Therefore, the word "world," as doctrinally defined in our Bible, is NOT referring to other planets in outer space but to defined ages, and prevailing conditions during those ages, past, present, and future.The "Earth" is a planet. It is a spherical-shaped mass of matter in time and space. The "world" is the specific set of conditions prevailing upon the face of the planet Earth at a specific point in Biblical time. The earth is a part of our present world, past worlds, and the future world to come (see Matt 12:32, Mark 10:30, Hebrews 2:5), but the Earth itself is not the whole "world." Our present "world" also consists of the stars in the sky, the trees of the field, the people, the cities of the nations, and the present evil world system on the face of the Earth:
That's so true Alpha and Omega. There are three ages. Amen!

(Alpha and Omega;53182)
You are comparing something man made to something caused by nature HUGE difference.
Panama Canal, yes. But I realized that so I also mentioned Adam and Eve. They too were created with the appearance of age when made fully formed, by God, no?Point is, the Earth was created with age... so whatever the flood doesn't explain, can be explained by that in most cases I have found.

(treeoflife;53187)
Point is, the Earth was created with age... so whatever the flood doesn't explain, can be explained by that in most cases I have found.
any scripture for that claim?

(Alpha and Omega;53210)
any scripture for that claim?
Yes. Read the creation event in Genesis. Adam and Eve were made fully formed. A rib was taken from Adam and a woman was made. God gave them commands, which they were able to understand. All the other trees, plants, and animals God created when the Earth was made. The Earth was obviously created in this way, not only by God's Word, but such that it could sustain life. Reason would also conclude this, if it wasn't directly in God's Word. Many many animals, as babies, require the immediate and specific attention of older, mature parents in order to survive. The Earth was created by God, along with everything on it, in a mature state with "age," in order to sustain life. It's in God's Word, but is also there logically by reason.The age old question of what came first, the chicken, or the egg, is answered if we know God's Word. It is the chicken.