Must we endure in the faith by continuously believing and repenting?

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Continual belief/faith is necessary for continual salvation/eternal life
The original Greek manuscripts reveal the verb tenses …
“… whoever believes [present tense: continues to believe] in Him
may have [present tense: may continue to have] eternal life.
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son,
that whoever believes [present tense: continues to believe]
in Him should not perish but have [present tense: continue to have]
eternal life.” (John 3:15-16)


BACs must endure in the faith to receive eternal life
Colossians 1:22-23
“He has reconciled in the body of His flesh through death,
to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight —
IF indeed you continue in the faith … and are not moved away
from the hope of the gospel”
1 Corinthians 15:1-2
“It is this Good News (the gospel) that saves you,
IF you continue to believe the message I told you”
Hebrews 2:3
“So what makes us think we can escape (from disobedience),
IF we ignore this great salvation”
2 Timothy 2:12
IF we endure, we shall also reign with Him.”
Hebrews 3:12-14 “Make sure that …
none of you will be deceived by sin and hardened against God.
For IF we are faithful to the end, we will share in all that belongs to Christ.”
Revelation 2:10
“But IF you remain faithful even when facing death,
I will give you the crown of (eternal) life”


Because of the above verses, this also refer to salvation:
Matthew 10:22, Matthew 24:13, Mark 13:13
“But the one who endures to the end (of his/her life) will be saved.”


From The Holman Christian Standard Bible
Repent (metanoeo) and believe (pisteou) may be understood as opposite sides of the same coin.
Repent means to turn from one’s allegiance to sin and unbelief, whereas believe means
to place one’s trust in Christ. Thus, when one is mentioned the other is implied. …
John never used the words repent, repentance, or faith to describe the way people are saved.
Instead, he used believe since this term included all of these ideas.

Just what does this single word “believe” really mean?
Dr. Lester Sumrall (the world-famous evangelist) decided he really needed
to research this … and his conclusion was that it must include obedience!


True saving belief = enduring deep faith, trust, repentance, obedience

● “But if we confess (repent) our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us
our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness (unrighteousness).” (1 John 1:9)
● “My dear children, I am writing this to you so that you will not sin.
But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate who pleads our case before
the Father. He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous.” (1 John 2:1)


Quiz questions -- Romans 6 insists we have choices
Shall I be a slave of sin which leads to eternal death?
Shall I be a slave of obedience which leads to righteousness?
Shall I be a slave of righteousness which leads to holiness?


Quiz answers -- these are available
1 page of verses on: obedience is necessary for salvation.
1 page of verses on: righteousness is necessary for salvation.
 
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The answer, of course, is yes!! We like to think we don't need to repent daily, because we don't sin.. right. It is our nature, in human flesh the battle is continuous.

See that girl over there? Her boobs hanging out, her short dress.. Oh my, she's hell bound. (Just a thought that flashes thru your mind.. still it is judgment).

Repentance is a must EVERYDAY. Just as important as praise, thankfullness and prayer.

If you don't believe, it's pointless.
Amen praise to our Heavenly Father!
 
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“And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.” (Deuteronomy 30:6) (KJV 1900)

This is called the New Birth in the NT. And if you experience it, you want nothing to do with sin and everything to do with holiness and the fullness of the Spirit.
 

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Just what does this single word “believe” really mean?
wadr the single one is "faith," there are five diff terms for "belief" in the Bible.

● “But if we confess (repent) our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us
our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness (unrighteousness).” (1 John 1:9)
1 John 1:9 Lexicon: If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
same v corrected, I guess there is no "to Him" in there, and confession does not = rebound ("repentance")
 
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“But if we confess (repent) our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us
our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness (unrighteousness).” (1 John 1:9)

1 John 1:9 Lexicon:
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

same v corrected, I guess there is no "to Him" in there,
and confession does not = rebound ("repentance")
Yes, our translators take great liberties with their personal beliefs, don't they!
Confessing to Him is required, not to some priest or brother/sister in the Lord,
which most certainly does NOT cleanse the sin away!
 
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This is called the New Birth in the NT. And if you experience it, you want nothing to do with sin and everything to do with holiness and the fullness of the Spirit.
Since Zachary has not said a word about the New Birth, he needs to go back to square one.
 

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Must we endure in the faith by continuously believing and repenting? <--- OP

"We"? Endure/suffer patiently in the faith? Yes

"By" continuously believing?
A man Converted IN Christ, Will continuously Believe.


A man NOT Converted IN Christ, may fall from belief.

"BY" continuously repenting?
A man NOT Converted IN Christ, continues to sin, thus many continuously repent.

A man Converted IN Christ, is freed from sin.
That man ^^ has been forgiven his sins, and sins no more.

Many modern Christian congregations are taught, a man Converted in Christ continues to sin, and therefore must continue to repent.
I disagree.

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1 JOHN 1:9 NKJ 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
 
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Must we endure in the faith by continuously believing and repenting? <--- OP

"We"? Endure/suffer patiently in the faith? Yes

"By" continuously believing?
A man Converted IN Christ, Will continuously Believe.


A man NOT Converted IN Christ, may fall from belief.

"BY" continuously repenting?
A man NOT Converted IN Christ, continues to sin, thus many continuously repent.

A man Converted IN Christ, is freed from sin.
That man ^^ has been forgiven his sins, and sins no more.

Many modern Christian congregations are taught, a man Converted in Christ continues to sin, and therefore must continue to repent.
I disagree.

Taken

Amen, When a man put on the righteousness of Christ HE is no longer a sinner in the eyes of God and that is why,

Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
 

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1 JOHN 1:9 NKJ 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Correct. Thus thereafter freed from sin, sins no more...

Less, the power of God within that man fails to keep that man from sinning....which I do not believe.

God Bless,
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The answer, of course, is yes!! We like to think we don't need to repent daily, because we don't sin.. right. It is our nature, in human flesh the battle is continuous.

See that girl over there? Her boobs hanging out, her short dress.. I hope she's wearing panties. Oh my, she's hell bound. (Just a thought that flashes thru your mind.. still it is judgment).

Repentance is a must EVERYDAY. Just as important as praise, thankfullness and prayer.

If you don't believe, it's pointless.
Amen praise to our Heavenly Father!

When I was a younger Christian I was told to keep short accounts with God. In words don't let sin fester.

As I grew in the faith I realised that daily witchhunts were not productive because they tended to give you a sin focus.

As I grew in the Lord I learnt that he was madly in love with me and that he would always have my best interests heart. So what does that mean?

It means that I leave it to God to speak to me if sin has marred my relationship. Because we are all at different stages on our growth, God is the only one who knows what is not good for us or our relationship with him so he is the best vacuum cleaner we can have.
 
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I must be baptised.. born from above.

Am I wrong in my understanding? Some say you don't sin(?), because you are saved. Or are you saying because you are saved you don't need to confess/repent.

Is it possible to sin and not know it? Why did Jesus teach them to pray forgive me my trespasses..

Since I have not knowingly been baptised and died in my sins, could this be why I feel the need to confess/repent daily? I feel the Holy Spirit, yet I am held down by my guilt... arghhh
 
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I must be baptised.. born from above.

Am I wrong in my understanding? Some say you don't sin(?), because you are saved. Or are you saying because you are saved you don't need to confess/repent.

Is it possible to sin and not know it? Why did Jesus teach them to pray forgive me my trespasses..

Since I have not knowingly been baptised and died in my sins, could this be why I feel the need to confess/repent daily? I feel the Holy Spirit, yet I am held down by my guilt... arghhh
On the first thing you are in better shape than you think imo, yes there are ppl who believe they literally cannot sin after they have completed a certain ritual, due to a self-serving misinterpretation of Scripture @ "cannot." As to the second thing I know that is a pain, but believe it or not it's usually a good sign imo, intact conscience that has just been sensitized or something, don't know a seeker who hasn't gone through that?

There are a couple therapies that might help, unloading to a stranger maybe--I'm assuming that you suffer some guilt bc you are no longer fam with the offended, have no access to them? But fwiw that happens to many, even after ritual immersion. Ppl are consumed by--as in "fixated on"--sin, so we even get ppl who enjoy "repenting," believe it or not, other reactions too, flagellating, etc

So careful you don't become a burden with your conscience, it can easily become a way to keep the focus on self, ok? You are forgiven, not that forgiveness saves anyone, all are forgiven, you are even demonstrating why forgiveness is not what believers make it out to be, there is no 'ask for forgiveness' anywhere for this reason, but you might even seek ppl in your situation and listen to their confessions, which will provide a window into how you might be being perceived by others. I think there is even a group for that, prolly some online resources, I'm on an iPad sorry but google 'guilt' maybe and go from there

Edit ya googling "guilty conscience" returns some good hits, note "guilt-pleasure syndrome" I think it was
 
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When a man puts on the righteousness of Christ
HE is no longer a sinner in the eyes of God ...
Then why all of the many dire warnings in the NT?
Aaaaah, yes, all of dose iz for da unbelievers, right?

FYI, most of the posts I am reading are way way beyond belief.
 
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