What is the correct view on genesis

Ezra · Feb 22, 2019

Vince said:
I need to have the holy spirit to understand what the bible says on salvation.
I can only get the holy spirit if I am saved.

BINGO Romans 8: There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind of the flesh is death; but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace: 7 because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be: 8 and they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. :" But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. " 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwelleth in you, he that raised up Christ Jesus from the dead shall give life also to your mortal bodies through his Spirit that dwelleth in you. note the words in " " the moment one WE gets saved the Holy Spirit ..the HOLY SPIRIT takes up residence in our heart ..that is how we get our conviction God pricks our heart through the Holy Spirit and the Bible the word of God sharper than a 2 edged sword . you can read the Bible understand you need saved..but if the spirit is not drawing ou .then all any one will have is head salvation----------THINK THEY ARE SAVED HOPE THEY ARE SAVED one can know they are if one does not know then odds are they are not.. its a spiritual Birth .no one will be saved outside the Word of God and the Holy Spirit which both work as a team..

The bible says that I cannot understand because I am not a spiritual person.

WRONG that is your words you can know but only by the Holy Spirit

I can only get the holy spirit if I am saved.

BINGO exactly

Jesus way truth and Life we come to our heavenly father by him ...i am fixing to go for a while maybe others will post if not when i get back i will reply ..i will try to answer questions the best i can

amadeus · Feb 22, 2019

Vince said:
The bible says that I cannot understand because I am not a spiritual person. So let me get this straight.

The bible says how to be saved.
I need to have the holy spirit to understand what the bible says on salvation.
I can only get the holy spirit if I am saved.

Ok.

Don't make it complicated by trying to figure it out yourself with your own logic. That is taking hold of your own reins instead of letting Him taking hold of your reins. You must surrender to Him repeatedly until He has finished the work:

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps" Jerem 10:23

"O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!" Psalm 119:5

You want to understand before you start to walk. How much understanding does a toddler have before he takes that first step? You do need to step out on faith before you are given understanding. Why? Because that is the way God does things. You can choose not to do things His way, but you will never approach real understanding that way.

"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths." Prov 3:5-6

Vince · Feb 22, 2019

amadeus said:
Don't make it complicated by trying to figure it out yourself with your own logic. That is taking hold of your own reins instead of letting Him taking hold of your reins. You must surrender to Him repeatedly until He has finished the work:

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps" Jerem 10:23

"O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!" Psalm 119:5

You want to understand before you start to walk. How much understanding does a toddler have before he takes that first step? You do need to step out on faith before you are given understanding. Why? Because that is the way God does things. You can choose not to do things His way, but you will never approach real understanding that way.

"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths." Prov 3:5-6

I tried this for 18 years. Still no evidence.

Ezra · Feb 22, 2019

Vince said:
I tried this for 18 years. Still no evidence.

tried what as in how?

Nancy · Feb 22, 2019

Jane_Doe22 said:
Andrew, asking God is not "crap" in a Christian's mind. Rather, each person's relationship with God (including asking Him questions) is the foundation of what it is to be a Christian. We short-sighted mortals could argue all life long about who's interpretation is correct (to your question and many others), but it's fruitless. Truth does not come from us short-sighted mortals and us arguing only gets to endless "he-say-she-said" stupidity. To truly know Truth, one must

Agree and Amen, we are very short-sighted...with short memories as well.
One of my favorite verses/promises is Proverbs 3:5,6 "Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight."
Has and will continue to prove true in my life. It (to me) is the most comforting verse in all of scripture. It makes me give a sigh of relief when I remember that He has it!!!!!

Vince · Feb 22, 2019

Ezra said:
tried what as in how?

I was a Christian for 18 years. I gave my life over to God was baptized in Christ believed, studied and followed the teachings of Jesus as best I could. I went to a biblical based church where we discussed the bible twice a week with ministers and other Christians. I prayed and studied the bible almost every day and taught others about Jesus. Participated in my church, went on mission trips, lead a youth bible group etc. etc.

amadeus · Feb 22, 2019

Vince said:
I tried this for 18 years. Still no evidence.

And every time you stumbled did you know that you had stumbled? If you knew did you not proceed to the bottom and start all over again throwing out every preconceived notion, every previously held belief?

"When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him;
And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room.
But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.
For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted."
Luke 14:8-11

Vince · Feb 22, 2019

amadeus said:
And every time you stumbled did you know that you had stumbled? If you knew did you not proceed to the bottom and start all over again throwing out every preconceived notion, every previously held belief?

"When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him;
And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room.
But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.
For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted."
Luke 14:8-11

Yes. I humbled myself regularly as best I could. I know you want to blame me but you really cannot know what my christian life was like. I wanted to follow Christ as he taught because I believed he loved me and died for my sins. I was grateful for what I thought he had done.

CoreIssue · Feb 22, 2019

amadeus said:
And every time you stumbled did you know that you had stumbled? If you knew did you not proceed to the bottom and start all over again throwing out every preconceived notion, every previously held belief?

"When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him;
And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room.
But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.
For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted."
Luke 14:8-11

And how many understand what that old English means?

8 “When someone invites you to a wedding feast, do not take the place of honor, for a person more distinguished than you may have been invited.

9 If so, the host who invited both of you will come and say to you, ‘Give this person your seat.’ Then, humiliated, you will have to take the least important place.

10 But when you are invited, take the lowest place, so that when your host comes, he will say to you, ‘Friend, move up to a better place.’ Then you will be honored in the presence of all the other guests.

11 For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

Vince · Feb 22, 2019

CoreIssue said:
And how many understand what that old English means?

Yes, I had to look it up in the NIV. Thanks.

amadeus · Feb 22, 2019

Vince said:
Yes. I humbled myself regularly as best I could. I know you want to blame me but you really cannot know what my christian life was like. I wanted to follow Christ as he taught because I believed he loved me and died for my sins. I was grateful for what I thought he had done.

I don't want to blame you. That is not my job.

What I see from your words is that you quit because of what did or did not happen to you in this natural life. This natural life is only a proving ground. Sometimes God will give us material blessings while we are here, but sometimes we must walk through hell here because that is the way the road leads. We need to come to a place of loving God even when it seems that everything is falling apart.

Our focus ultimately cannot be here but rather on the end of the road we are to walk with and toward Him. Walk always toward the Light!

"If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable." I Cor 15:19

Vince · Feb 22, 2019

amadeus said:
I don't want to blame you. That is not my job.

What I see from your words is that you quit because of what did or did not happen to you in this natural life. This natural life is only a proving ground. Sometimes God will give us material blessings while we are here, but sometimes we must walk through hell here because that is the way the road leads. We need to come to a place of loving God even when it seems that everything is falling apart.

Our focus ultimately cannot be here but rather on the end of the road we are to walk with and toward Him. Walk always toward the Light!

"If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable." I Cor 15:19

You cannot possibly know my faith walk and the reason I "quit" as you say. It was simply just realizing through study that I had no good reasons for my belief.

CoreIssue · Feb 22, 2019

19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied. NIV

amadeus · Feb 22, 2019

Vince said:
You cannot possibly know my faith walk and the reason I "quit" as you say. It was simply just realizing through study that I had no good reasons for my belief.

No, I cannot know. If you had no good reasons for your belief then it may have been ill founded. You want to find the truth in your own way, but if there really is a God and He will only accept people willing to walk His Way, it may leave you out in the cold...or?

Ezra · Feb 22, 2019

Vince said:
You cannot possibly know my faith walk and the reason I "quit" as you say. It was simply just realizing through study that I had no good reasons for my belief.

what would it take to get you to private message me?? no bashing just like to try to reach out to you.. see if we can figure something out might help you

Jane_Doe22 · Feb 22, 2019

Vince said:
You cannot possibly know my faith walk and the reason I "quit" as you say. It was simply just realizing through study that I had no good reasons for my belief.

Ezra said:
what would it take to get you to private message me?? no bashing just like to try to reach out to you.. see if we can figure something out might help you

Speaking personally: I too would be happy to chat respectfully about reasons for belief and theological epistemology.

stunnedbygrace · Feb 23, 2019

Vince said:
I was a Christian for 18 years. I gave my life over to God was baptized in Christ believed, studied and followed the teachings of Jesus as best I could. I went to a biblical based church where we discussed the bible twice a week with ministers and other Christians. I prayed and studied the bible almost every day and taught others about Jesus. Participated in my church, went on mission trips, lead a youth bible group etc. etc.

You never received the Holy Spirit...? Did you speak with others about that? More importantly, did you ask God for the Spirit?

I have heard a man say he asked but got no answer. I puzzled over it at the time. I believed he was being sincere and I remember thinking that if he got no answer, maybe it was because he wasn't ready to turn from the world and God knew that.

I think if you are here, you might be ready. If I were you, I would read the book of John and ask Him again.

I think...we all have to hit some point in time where the world loses its lure for us, where we see that it's not sufficient, where we begin to wonder why all the things that others think make them happy do not make us happy.

I was somewhat like you except that I was 14 and went to church with my dad one day and went forward at the "altar call." Then I was baptized and went to church for a while. But then I met a boy and didn't return to church.

I was 42 before I had some sort of...crisis moment, although it was not a dramatic crisis. I just got tired of doing all the things I was supposed to do because they left me empty while others seemed to be content and happy. College, marriage, workplace, buy a house, nice car, exotic vacations, save money, have nice dinners out, redecorate the house, blah, blah, blah.

I came to a point where I saw that if its all there was and the pain outweighed any brief happiness and then I would die in the end anyway, then those who committed suicide were the smartest among us.

That was when God put a bible in my hands and I read the gospel and could suddenly see. Even though I had heard the gospel before when I was 14, and even though I had done church for a while, and even though I was taught to say the right things and was accepted by the church, I never received the Holy Spirit and they baptized me anyway. I don't think they should have...I think someone should have been able to see I didn't receive the Spirit and refuse to baptize me. I don't know...

Dave L · Feb 23, 2019

Vince said:
The bible says that I cannot understand because I am not a spiritual person. So let me get this straight.

The bible says how to be saved.
I need to have the holy spirit to understand what the bible says on salvation.
I can only get the holy spirit if I am saved.

Ok.

The way I understand it is people believe because God saved them. And others do not believe because he didn't save them. That is, he saves only those who believe enough to want salvation and doesn't save those who do not.

Vince · Feb 23, 2019

stunnedbygrace said:
You never received the Holy Spirit...? Did you speak with others about that? More importantly, did you ask God for the Spirit?

I have heard a man say he asked but got no answer. I puzzled over it at the time. I believed he was being sincere and I remember thinking that if he got no answer, maybe it was because he wasn't ready to turn from the world and God knew that.

I think if you are here, you might be ready. If I were you, I would read the book of John and ask Him again.

I think...we all have to hit some point in time where the world loses its lure for us, where we see that it's not sufficient, where we begin to wonder why all the things that others think make them happy do not make us happy.

I was somewhat like you except that I was 14 and went to church with my dad one day and went forward at the "altar call." Then I was baptized and went to church for a while. But then I met a boy and didn't return to church.

I was 42 before I had some sort of...crisis moment, although it was not a dramatic crisis. I just got tired of doing all the things I was supposed to do because they left me empty while others seemed to be content and happy. College, marriage, workplace, buy a house, nice car, exotic vacations, save money, have nice dinners out, redecorate the house, blah, blah, blah.

I came to a point where I saw that if its all there was and the pain outweighed any brief happiness and then I would die in the end anyway, then those who committed suicide were the smartest among us.

That was when God put a bible in my hands and I read the gospel and could suddenly see. Even though I had heard the gospel before when I was 14, and even though I had done church for a while, and even though I was taught to say the right things and was accepted by the church, I never received the Holy Spirit and they baptized me anyway. I don't think they should have...I think someone should have been able to see I didn't receive the Spirit and refuse to baptize me. I don't know...

I did receive the Holy Spirit when I was baptized.

stunnedbygrace · Feb 23, 2019

Vince said:
I did receive the Holy Spirit when I was baptized.

Hi, Vince. Its nice to meet you. May I ask how you knew you had received the Holy Spirit?

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