JESUS, the Holy Spirit, the Only True God.

GINOLJC, to all.

The Basic of "Diversity", ot the "Offspring".

Abstract and Concrete Terms, with Subjective and Objective Identification

Definitions, Word Power,

#1. ESSENCE: 1. the basic, real, and invariable nature of a thing or its significant individual feature or features: 2. something that exists, especially a spiritual or immaterial entity. In philosophy. the inward nature, true substance, or constitution of anything, as opposed to what is accidental, phenomenal, illusory, etc.

#2. VIRTUE: 1. moral excellence; goodness; righteousness. 2. conformity of one's life and conduct to moral and ethical principles; uprightness; rectitude. 3. effective force; power or potency.

#3. CONCENTRATE: 1. to bring or draw to a common center or point of union; converge; direct toward one point; focus: 2. to put or bring into a single place, group, etc.

#4. INHERENT: 1. existing in someone or something as a permanent and inseparable element, quality, or attribute; 2. existing as an inseparable part; intrinsic.

#5. INTRINSIC: belonging to a thing by its very nature. 2. of or relating to the essential nature of a thing; inherent.

Keyword “ANOTHER”: in the Greek there are two word for our English word “Another”. they are G243 allos, and G2087 heteros. each have a difference in meaning, which despite a tendency to be lost, is to be observed in numerous passages. Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort; heteros expresses a qualitative difference and denotes "another of a different sort. examine these definitions, this is the key to God’s diversity. LET US SAY THIS AGAIN, "this is the key to God's diversity". ANOTHER.

G243 All is our defining word, it expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort. A numerical difference means two or more, hence our plurality of God. But the definition also states, of the same sort. Meaning the same one, now two of the one. Just the opposite, of two separate being one. this two of one, or two of the same is accomplish by "sharing".

Revelation time, we’re the G2087 heteros of God in Flesh while the Lord Jesus is the G243 allos of God in Flesh. See the difference now. We’re of a qualitative difference and another of a different sort. the Lord Jesus is the numerical difference, but with the same SORT. meaning he's the same one, only in another FORM.

THESE ARE THE KEYS TO UNDERSTANDING THE GODHEAD. The apostle Paul by God said this, Romans 1:19 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. (NOTICE, the apostle said "manifested in them, meaning man and woman)
Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse”.

What was made that we can understand his Godhead? … us, man, (male and female)... simply "another of one self".

Do one know what Adam/man means? let's see. H120 אָדָם 'adam (aw-dawm') n-m.
ruddy i.e. a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.).
[from H119]
KJV: X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person.

There it is “ANOTHER” a IMAGE of God himself in flesh. Since God is a Spirit, he’s “abstract", meaning INVISIBLE, but his image is US, the another of himself in flesh is "concrete". Now, in order to have an IMAGE, one first must have a source for the Image to exist. An Image just don’t exist on it own without a source, there is a source in order for the image to exist. So if Adam was the first man where did the source come from? Isaiah 46:9 "Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure”.
SAY WHAT? “Declaring the end from the beginning”. well that just shut all our mouths.

From God’s point of view, this in the beginning is really the END.

I like what God said in Ecclesiastes 7:8 "Better is the end of a thing than the beginning thereof: and the patient in spirit is better than the proud in spirit”.

Side Note: So people need to stop and think, this is not the END, but the beginning …. of something NEW. so why worry about the end of this world?

Conclusion: Diversity is the “Another” of God in Flesh. Hence the numerical difference, Father, Spirit without flesh 1 entity, who is ONE PERSON. Son, Spirit shared with flesh another entity #2 not a separate person, but the “SAME” person in flesh, or in “another” form. Same person, two entity, hence the plurality of the Holy Spirit, God who is a Spirit.

Oh how beautiful “diversity” of the Offspring is. “Sharing” vs Separation.

Knowing these things, it answers the Genesis 1:26 question, it answers the baptismal mystery of the Lord Jesus when “A” voice spoke from heaven. It answers the “Greater than I” question. It answers the how can the Son speak or pray in conversation with the Spirit while on earth in flesh… it answers why the Son can forgive sin, which many ignorantly say only God can, well he is God in flesh. But it also answers why there is a “Father” and a “Son” ….. TWO ENTITIES but the SAME ONE PERSON.

But above all, it answers the Isaiah 44:24 and John 1:3 respectfully and definitely, which means it answers all question concerning the Godhead from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21.

we suggest one re-read this post for clarity.

PICJAG.

Jun2u said:

Rather, I’ve said according to the Hebrew language the word “plural” means “three or more” as opposed to the English language were “plural” means “two or more.” Therefore, since the word “God” in Genesis 1:1 is a plural Hebrew word “Elohim” then it is rightly so to say there are at least three or more that were involved in the creation of the world according to Hebrew, but God’s people know there are only three as opposed to your theory of “diversified oneness.” (underlined word for emphasis).

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first thanks for the response. second, nice try but that want fly. because H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') is only used with the DEFINITE ARTICLE, notice, and how many are used with the definite article? well ... TWO, for God is a Spirit, who holds the titles "Father" and "Son". so that right there eliminates any three.....
H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433

so, your three is missing one... .. (smile). swo another dead end for you.

Jun2u said:

I tell you what. Since you think you believe that you have a good grasp of Scripture and know the name of God, yet admit we SHALL know His name in the future (contradiction in terms, if you ask me), I will answer your questions in post #987 “IF” you first answer Daniel 12:11-12 and give the meaning of the numbers 1290 and 1335 days respectively. Just wanting to test your knowledge of Scripture.

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Daniel 12:11 "And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

first the end of daily sacrifice that came to an end was by Christ, then his death which was the 3 and 1/2 years, or 42 months after his ministry, and his death on the cross. after that the abomination that maketh desolate is set up.

for the 1290 day divided by 365 day which is a yerar is 3 1/2 years, our Lord's Ministry. and the 42 months are the 3 1/2 years again of our Lord's ministry, which is confirm in Revelation 13:5 . and that man of sin is set up in the individuals heart. scripture,
2 Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2 Thessalonians 2:4 "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2 Thessalonians 2:5 "Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2 Thessalonians 2:6 "And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2 Thessalonians 2:7 "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2 Thessalonians 2:8 "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.
2 Thessalonians 2:9 "Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2 Thessalonians 2:10 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2 Thessalonians 2:12 "That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Jun2u said:

REMEMBER, Daniel 12 is Scripture and you cannot deny it does not exist seeing your argument that Abraham uttered the name “JEHOVAH” which you said was quoted by man and NOT GOD. I say this because you apparently DO NOT KNOW that...”All Scripture is profitable...2 Timothy 3:16, and/or “for the prophecy came not...2 Peter 1:21. IN OTHER WORDS THE BIBLE IS WRITTEN BY GOD and THEREFORE IS TRUSTWORTHY!!!

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well, well, well, all is not every unless qualified. let's see if this is true.
Luke 18:10 "Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luke 18:11 "The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luke 18:12 "I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Luke 18:13 "And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
Luke 18:14 "I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted".

now Jun2u, was the Pharisee correct in what he said about himself and the publican? and is it not in the bible?.
PICJAG

now since you said I ask questions and never answer, we see you never answered the John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 question. so is this the same person in both scriptures? yes or no.

@Jun2u, I forgot your verse 12 of Daniel,
Daniel 12:12 "Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days".

which is an additional 45 day after passover to pentecost, and the spreading of the Gospel.

PICJAG.

Jun2u said:

@101G, You have failed in both accounts of Daniel 12:11-12!!! Not even close. There is no way you can calculate to make 365 days a year into 1290 days and equate it to be 31/2 years I know this is the norm teaching in Christendom, however God is a God of order and He does things perfectly.

Secondly, I'm impressed you gave Pentecost as an answer. However, 45 days after Passover to Pentecost DOES NOT MAKE 1335 days even adding Jesus' 31/2 yrs. of ministry to the equation. It will NOT compute because 365 days a year into 1290 days DOES NOT MAKE 31/2 yrs.!!!

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First, you did not or could not understand the reading of Dainel. second, nor did you understand our answer... lol. third U failed to understand Daniel 12:11 and 12... read it again....

fourth, we can take this as you cannot answer my question, the John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24?...

PS, Jun2u get yourself a calculator, 1,290 days / by 365 days, or 1 year of days = 3 1/2 years.

and he that waiteth, (3 days and 3 nights in the tomb) and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days, which cometh Pentecost, (the 45 days) which means when Pentecost was "FULLY" come, which is a two day count, because when in captivity they kept two days, for the beginning of the year, there was uncertainty of calculations. which completes the 50 days from passover.

GINOLJC, to all.
@Jun2u. this is a GREAT discussion, because it brings out this SUBJECT MATTER much better.

now let's get enlighten even more, you posted Daniel 12:11 & 12, but let's complete the chapter with Daniel 12:13 "But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days".

see this verse shed more light on the subject. for verse 13 reveals the COMING of the "COMFORTER", the Lord Jesus in his office of "Holy Spirit". let's see it clearly.

from the time of Passover till Pentecost is fifty days. verse 13 reveals all of the actions of the Lord Jesus in his Coming.

Daniel 12:13 "But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days"

A. "thou shalt rest". revealing scripture, Matthew 11:28 "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Matthew 11:29 "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Matthew 11:30 "For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light".

B. "and stand". the Hebrew word here for stand is, H5975 עָמַד `amad (aw-mad') v.
to stand (in various relations).
{literal and figurative, intransitive and transitive}
[a primitive root]
KJV: abide (behind), appoint, arise, cease, confirm, continue, dwell, be employed, endure, establish, leave, make, ordain, be (over), place, (be) present (self), raise up, remain, repair, + serve, set (forth, over, -tle, up), (make to, make to be at a, with-)stand (by, fast, firm, still, up), (be at a) stay (up), tarry.

there it is the very first word as the KJV can also translate it, "abide". now where have we see this before at? let the record speak, John 15:5 "I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing". JUST ONE MORE SO THAT U CAN SEE IT CLEARLY. John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you".
but WAIT!. did not our Lord in the very next chapter of John (15) say, "I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing". BINGO, Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

C. Stand "in thy lot". now, by us standing, or abiding in Christ Jesus we're sealed until the day of redemption of our bodies. for the term "LOT" here is a choosing of the LORD. let's first see it in scriptures,
Leviticus 16:8 "And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat.
Leviticus 16:9 "And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the LORD'S lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering.
Leviticus 16:10 "But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness".

this is not a game of chance, the LORD's "LOT" is already "chosen", God knows his sheep. for he has took out a people for himself. supportive scripture, 1 Peter 2:9 "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light".

and when the LORD "chooses" us, and we "abide" in him and he in us, he "seals" us, scripture, Ephesians 1:13 "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise". Ephesians 4:30 "And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption".

now the one who is doing the sealing?, because he is the One who abide in us, who is he? well let the scriptures speak. Daniel 12:5 "Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.
Daniel 12:6 "And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
Daniel 12:7 "And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished".

what was finish unpon the scattering of the holy people? first the scattering, Acts 8:1 "And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles". this happen when? after those days of Daniel 12:11 & 12.

this happen after Pentecost, (Daniel 12:11 & 12 count of days).

now, who is he the man clothed in linen? read Daniel 10:5 - 8. then read Revelation 1:13 - 15, it's the same ONE, the LORD JESUS in the Office of the HOLY SPIRIT. .. BINGO, just compare the two, the one in Daniel 5:5-8 with the one in Revelation 1:13-15. the SAME one PERSON, the Lord Jesus, the Holy Ghost/Spirit.

Jun2u, we suggest you re-read this post for clarity. now, if you think we're in ERROR please correct us. but read this post again before you ask....

PICJAG.

Jun2u said:

I took your advice and got a calculator. You know what?

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so we can take this as you cannot calculate?
the result was 3.543246575342466, there are the rest of your days in blue... my. my, my.

Jun2u said:

The term “Blessed is he that waiteth and cometh” is taken from Isa. 30:18; Matt. 21:9; 23:39. You “we” see, Jesus had to “wait” for the fullness of time to begin His ministry, and from the day He was baptized at the River Jordan up until Pentecost is exactly 1335 days. Another beautiful picture of salvation!!!

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How igorant can one get, from his baptism to his death is 3 1/2 years, did we not say this in post #1003? and the 45 more day was after his resurrection until Pentecost, when it fully come. we has already said that, that nothing new to us... LOL. Oh well...

Jun2u said:

Did you get or understand this post, 101G and those "we" group?

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understand it? ... LOL, posted it.................... Man Oh man. ....

you need to read our posts. so what you said we have already posted.

so, again, can we take this as you cannot reconcile John 1:3 with Isaiah 44:24? so is it the same Person, yes or no.

PICJAG

Jun2u said:

You “us” did not really get the gist of Daniel 12:11-12 and now you are attacking me with verse 13 as if you “us” truly understands the meaning of the words, “rest”, “stand in thy lot”. Again I say a person must first know the context of any verse he reads before engaging in a discussion.

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how is "CORRECTION" attacking? it's just the scriptures are exposing your doctrine, that's all. we thought you were going to tell us something that we didn't know...... (smile).

Jun2u said:

The word “rest” in this context means that Daniel will “die” but is promised that “he will stand in his lot at the end of the days”. The term, “he will stand in his lot at the end of the days” means Daniel will be resurrected on the last day as we read in John 6 that all true believers will be resurrected on the last day!!!

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Context?, LOL, LOL, LOL... not only daniel, but everyone else who is of, or in the Lord, did you not read our Post#1007? ...... already said that. you're a dollar short and a day late on that one too. did you not hear the man when he said, some will be resurrected to life eternal, and other to shame. well if they are resurrected, we're sure they was DEAD....

Jun2u said:

BTW, I like your motto written at the bottom of each of your posts. Seems to be pointing at you though.

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catchy, isn't it ...... no matter where it points,but are you doing it?......................... as nike said, "Just do it". ..........

now since we has answered your questions, now it's time for you to answer ours.
John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 is this the same PERSON, yes or no.

PICJAG.

GINOLJC, to all.

The Lord Jesus is the Holy Ghost "the Almighty", the “Ancient of days”.

@Jun2u, let the enlightenment continue. While we’re in the book of Daniel lets ANSWER the John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 question right out of the book of Daniel… (smile).

Exhibit A. Daniel 7:13 "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him".
Daniel 7:14 "And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed".

Jun2u, is not the “Ancient of days” God almighty, the one whom many calls the FATHER? ......... Well let’s see.

Exhibit B. Daniel 7:9 "I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
Daniel 7:10 "A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened”.

Jun2u, this is a description of the “Ancient of days”, whom many say is the FATHER, the almighty…… right, right, …now this.

Exhibit C. Daniel 7:13 "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him”.

Jun2u, the Son of man (title the Son) came to the “Ancient of days” (title the Father) correct. We have a description of the “Ancient of days” in Exhibit B. above. Now the the description of the Son of man in Revelation 1:13 "And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Revelation 1:14 "His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; (see the man clothed in linen? read Daniel 10:5 - 8, Post #1007)
Revelation 1:15 "And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

This is the same person. The son of man is the same person who is the “Ancient of days”, scriptures don’t lie. as they say, "Read em and weep".

Now remember Exhibit A. Listen, Daniel 7:13 "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him”.

The same one who they brought is the same one who is the Ancient of days. My GOD, diversity bright as day.

The Son of man is the diversity of the Ancient of days, in flesh and bones. hence the REASON why Thomas said, "My Lord, and my God". "DIVERSITY", the same person who is Lord, the Son, and God the Father. diversity, diversity, diversity.

Jun2u, We suggest you read, and reread these scriptures and posts for complete clarity. As you said, remember our motto…. “where there is knowledge, stay not Ignorant". Well you have KNOWLEDGE now…..

PICJAG

GINOLJC, to all.
the finishing of Daniel Report.

Now that we know the “Son of Man”, (the shared spirit), is the “Ancient of days” in a body. This spirit (the Lord) diversified is an “EVERLASTING LIFE”.

The LORD (YHWH) is the Lord (YHWH) in flesh. God as, or in likeness as a man, his OWN IMAGE that was to come.

Exhibit A. John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth”.

What was begotten? FLESH and BONE with BLOOD.

Matthew 1:21 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Matthew 1:22 "Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us”.

Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God”.

The Son of God is “born”, (Flesh, the seed of David, according to the flesh), but the Son of Man is “Given”, NOT BORN, (spirit, shared in that flesh). scripture, John 13:3 "Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God”, (diversity in the clearest sense).
so the spirit did not come from Mary, only the flesh. But that changed, or resurrected flesh and bone, NO BLOOD, returned to God, the Spirit. Hence Daniel 7:13 "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him”.

Exhibit B. the connection to the book of Daniel.
this setting in Daniel 7:13 can be cross reference with Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John”. as we has seen in Daniel, the "Ancient of days" is the diversified Christ in flesh, the same person, now glorified.

for after his Ascension into heaven on the clouds of Heaven, (see Acts 1:9 & 10)

This is what Daniel reported, Daniel 7:13 "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him”.
Daniel 7:14 "And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed".

Daniel 12:4 "But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased”.

Exhibit C. Where Daniel ends, John picks up in Revelation, and the Revelation or the unsealing, or the unveiling of the Lord Jesus as God almighty, the “Ancient of days” in a glorified body, which confirm Colossians 2:9. for he now, the Spirit of Christ fills all heavens.

And in that body do the Spirit, "the Ancient of days speak", first to the churches at the begining, and to all whom he will call, because he is able to break the seals of the book in his Right Hand, Which is the REVELATION of Jesus Christ, all time, to the end, the “Ancient of days” in a glorified body, the “DIVERSITY” of himself in Glorified flesh and Bone. for it is he, the Spirit of Truth, the comforter who do speak and teach.

A reading of the book of Revelation is worth your time, for it is the "Ancient of days" that doest speak.

so since the book of Daniel was brought up, this is a good time to study it and the book of Revelation together.

PICJAG.

GINOLJC, to all.
The book of Revealing, the Revelation of ..... JESUS THE CHRIST AS GOD ALMIGHTY IN FLESH.

Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD”

Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star".

This is the sharing of God, or the diversified Oneness of God in Flesh. “ONE LORD”

Diversified Oneness, Revealed in plain sight.

Exhibit A. Revelation 5:1 "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals”.
(The “OFFSPRING” sits on the throne, per chapter 4).

Exhibit B. Revelation 5:5 "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth”.
it is the G3875 παράκλητος parakletos, the COMFORTER, the Spirit of TRUTH, the Holy Ghost.... (the “ROOT” standing, glorified in a resurrected body, that shall be), and is sent into all the EARTH. the unseen revealed, yet unseen.

the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth, is none other than the "Comforter", the Lord JESUS, the G3875 παράκλητος parakletos himself. scripture, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you".

Hidden in plain sight, .......... "I WILL COME TO YOU". the G3875 παράκλητος parakletos, who is the COMFORTER, but the G3875 παράκλητος parakletos also is the "MEDIATOR", or the "ADVOCATE", (see 1 John 2:1), and see what "advocate" means.

Conclusion: he who stands is he who sits…… (smile). the offspring, the son, is the diversity, or as Philippians 2:6 makes very clear, THE EQUAL SHARE WITH THE SPIRIT/GOD, "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God"

Diversity, 101, by the book.

PICJAG

Jun2u said:

Your opinion along with “we” “us” “our” group are deceived by Satan. What? Did you not know that the Bible was written to foster unbelief???

SUCH AS THIS HERESY OF “DIVERSITY ONENESS SHARED” FALSE TEACHING?

Below, are but a few of many like verses what the Bible have to say to refute concerning your false teaching.

At the end of his life, Jacob spoke of God, and the angel of the LORD, as identical (not shared or another).

"the Angel who has delivered me from all harm - may He bless these boys. May they be called by my name and the names of my fathers Abraham and Isaac, and may they increase greatly upon the earth (Genesis 48:16.

But first, let me say the term Angel of the LORD refers to the second person in the Trinity which God promised to lead ahead of the children of Israel. I am going to send an angel in front of you, to guard you on the way.

The Israelites were told that they must obey this angel because the name of the LORD was in him. Since God would never share His name with any created being, this angel must be God Himself. Isaiah the prophet wrote.

"I am the LORD (YHWH/JEHOVAH), that is My name; My glory I will give to no other, nor My praise to idols" (Isaiah 42:8).

Since God will not share His name or glory with anyone else, this angel must be God, a Theophany.

The angel of the LORD appeared to Moses in the burning bush.

"There the angel of the LORD appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up" (Exodus 3: 2).

The angel explained who He was. He said further

"I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob." And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God" (Exodus 3:6).

Search as you may till the end of time, but you will never, never find the Bible teaching "diversity" or "shared". Satan has blinded and clouded your eyes. It’s not too late though, today is still the day of salvation.

If you don’t see me responding any longer to your posts it is because we have beaten to death this false teaching of “diversity oneness” theory.

I will pray the Father to give you wisdom.

I’m sure you have many things to say but it will only go in one ear and out the other and will be of no avail. You cannot convince a child of God with this false doctrine except those who are like you with itchy ears.

Greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world.

Goodbye (politely).

To God Be The Glory

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So we can take this as you cannot answer the John 1:3 and isaiah 44:24 question? ......

PICJAG.

GINOLJC, to all.

Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John”.

Many people has been taught, that this verse identify two separate and distinct persons. One person who gave something to another person, or as been taught the “Father” gave the “Son” his own revelation.

When people see a verse like this, automatically they say, see that’s two persons, but one God. If true how can the same God give himself something? they say, But they are distinct, and separate persons, ok, ........... then you have two Gods. hence, lack of understanding.

seeing is not ALWAYS believing. People need to think objectively when they read the bible.

Here in this verse it states “the Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him”. so in other words, God gave to God? Would that be correct? Now if someone was separate and distinct from you then there are two of you .... correct?.

This lie of persons in the Godhead have run long enough. The John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 question has put a crimp into that notion, but here in the book of Revelation it clearly states that there is only ONE PERSON in the Godhead.

STOP, LOOK, and LISTEN.

Revelation 1:4 "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
Revelation 1:5 "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood”.

Just Looking at these two scriptures alone we see that this letter is from one person who is the “diversity” of himself in flesh.

Let’s examine this letter salutation closely.

the letter is from two of him’s who is the same person, “diversity” in plain sight. it's amazing how God can put something right in your face and you cannot see it, or better yet "understand" it. The letter identify itself FROM two “him’s”. (from him which is, and which was, and which is to come), and FROM, notice it didn’t say “him”, the seven Spirits, which means the Spirits is the he which is, and which was, and which is to come. And verse 5 clearly states FROM Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness. this letter is only from two "him's" which is the same Person.

But many, with the naked eye when reading these two verses say, “the letter is from three persons”, #1. the Father, “which is, and which was, and which is to come”, #2. The Holy Spirit, the seven Spirits, and #3. the Son, Jesus Christ, the faithful witness. 1, 2, 3, Persons, well let’s see if this is so.

Exhibit A. “WHO IS THE “WHICH WAS, AND WHICH IS, AND WHICH IS TO COME?”.
“from him which is, and which was, and which is to come”, many say this is the one called the FATHER.
Revelation 4:8 "And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come”. so the one who sits on the throne is the “FATHER?” are you sure?, (there is no context as to who is speaking because one is sitting). now this, Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty”. so he, who which is, and which was, and which is to come, is "the Almighty, and he is the Alpha and Omega who also is the is the “FIRST and the “LAST”. now who is the First and the last? Let’s see, Revelation 22:13 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last". Uh O, the one who, you calls Father, the "which was, and which is to come, is the Almighty", is also the "First and the Last". SAME PERSON. is not the Lord Jesus the "First and the Last", and he also has the "seven stars? THE SAME PERSON.

Exhibit B. "THE SEVEN STARS"
Revelation 3:1 "And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead". so "HE" or "HIM" that has the seven stars have the seven Spirit.....
Revelation 1:16 "And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Revelation 1:17 "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Revelation 1:18 "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

STOP, …. Houston WE GOT A BIG PROBLEM. The Alpha and Omega is the First and the Last who is the “ which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty”. and the First and the Last has the seven Spirits who is the Lord Jesus. so the Lord Jesus is the which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty”, and he is the "seven Spirit". BINGO. right in plain sight.

But you say, the “which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty”, is the FATHER. The scriptures states different, but the Scriptures say the “which is, and which was, and which is to come, is the Almighty”, who is the Lord Jesus.

Well, well, well, do not the trinity doctrine states, the Father is not the Son, and vice versa? Another problem, the one whom you calls the Son have the Seven Spirit, Revelation 3:1 "And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead”. this is the Lord Jesus, for in “HIS” hand he has the seven stars also. Revelation 1:16 "And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength”. is this not the Alpha and Omega, the Lord? Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty”. BINGO, oops there it is…… ONE in the SAME PERSON.

Seeing is not always BELIEVING. What did the bible say? RENEW you mind. Be ye transform.

two departing scripture, Isaiah 44:18 "They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand”.

Isaiah 42:20 "Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not”.

PICJAG

The Revelation, or the unveiling of Jesus the Christ.

The “Almighty”, the Lord or the LORD? ........ or both.

2 Corinthians 6:17 "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
2 Corinthians 6:18 "And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty”. Say what? The “Lord” ALMIGHTY. STOP is not the YHWH the LORD the Almighty? Let’s take a look see…. Genesis 17:1 "And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect”. Oop’s the "LORD" is the "ALMIGHTY". Is there two almighties? Of course not. So how can the Lord and the LORD be the “ALMIGHTY?” .... (smile).

Is not the LORD the almighty God, who is the Father? ..... But did not 2 Corinthians 6:18 say the “Lord” is the Father? "And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty”. .................... TWO ALMIGHTIES again... (smile)

Now how can both be Father? Especially when either suppose to be separate and distinct. what did Malachi 2:10a say? "Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? Hmmmmm.. Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool”. WHAT!, read that again.

Now, Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty”. so who is the Alpha and Omega? Revelation 22:13 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last”.

The First and the Last? …….. YES, JESUS, so he’s Father/LORD and he’s Father/Lord. The same person? Yes. Just “diversified” of his OWNself. Scripture don’t lie. From Genesis to Revelation, the same one God, is the same one PERSON. …….. JESUS ......D??????????

PICJAG.

GINOLJC, to all.

“God died? “
The reconciliation of John 3:16 and 1John 3:16.

Many say Jesus is God, true. And many say Jesus is the YHWH, true. If Jesus is YHWH did YHWH die?

Scriptures,

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life”.

Now,
1 John 3:16 "Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren”.

Ok, he Laid down his LIFE, who laid down who’s life. If JESUS is YHWH, (which he is), how did he Lay down his LIFE. Ok, many would say it was the Son who laid down his natural life in the flesh, (BLOOD). But is not the Son, JESUS, who is YHWH? As many has said?. and do not a certain doctrine states that the Son is not the Father, and the Father is not son?… well….. and the bible clearly stated that the LORD, YHWH is the almighty, and many say JESUS is that almighty one the YHWH. Now if that’s true, (and it is), then one need to reconcile how God (the Father, the YHWH) died, if the Son and the Father are the same one person, YHWH. and Jesus is clearly the Son, but as said, he is the YHWH.

To make it simple if JESUS who is YHWH, who is the ALMIGHTY, the LORD, who clearly the bible say is the FATHER, Isaiah 64:8 "But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand”.

So how can JESUS be both “LORD” and “Lord” at the same time and suppose to be of the same one substance, or nature and be separate persons......... well?

Which bring us back to Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The “LORD” said unto my “Lord”, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool”.

but the Lord Jesus said this about himself,
Matthew 22:41 "While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
Matthew 22:42 "Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David.
Matthew 22:43 "He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
Matthew 22:44 "The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Matthew 22:45 "If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
Matthew 22:46 "And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

Well maybe some men here today might can answer that question. ....... well?

PICJAG.