WHY ARE MANY OF US STILL HERE?

farouk · Feb 22, 2019

Lady Crosstalk said:
Sadly true. Here's a link to a video that is a compilation of the preaching of five different pastors on the subject of holiness--very moving (only takes 10 minutes to watch--well worth the time). They are, in order, the late David Wilkerson of Times Square Church who used to weep and agonize from the pulpit over the lukewarm state of Christians in this time. 2) Keith Daniel 3) Carter Conlon who took over Times Square Church after Wilkerson died. 4) a young Jim Cymbala--sorry about the recording quality on Cymbala--it used to be okay. 5) the great Leonard Ravenhill. Not mere teachers, these men could really preach!

There is a book that describes anarchy as being in reality totalitarian in its attitudes and reflexes, very different from the ordered liberty of God's Word.

farouk · Feb 22, 2019

Lady Crosstalk said:
Samedi in French.

But I don't know the origin of the word. It could be the French form of the English, Saturday which unfortunately shows the influence of pagan Rome in that it means "day of Saturn".

I guess also it could be argued ad infinitum that something is somehow inappropriate because the time of an event is said to be on Wednesday = Woden's day (Nordic god). Sometimes associations can be stretched much too far, of course.

brakelite · Feb 22, 2019

Lady Crosstalk said:
Sadly true. Here's a link to a video that is a compilation of the preaching of five different pastors on the subject of holiness--very moving (only takes 10 minutes to watch--well worth the time). They are, in order, the late David Wilkerson of Times Square Church who used to weep and agonize from the pulpit over the lukewarm state of Christians in this time. 2) Keith Daniel 3) Carter Conlon who took over Times Square Church after Wilkerson died. 4) a young Jim Cymbala--sorry about the recording quality on Cymbala--it used to be okay. 5) the great Leonard Ravenhill. Not mere teachers, these men could really preach!

Praise God for faithful watchmen on the walls giving a certain sound!!!

brakelite · Feb 22, 2019

VictoryinJesus said:
What do you tell someone who doesn’t keep that one day holy? What happens? What should they do if they break keeping that one day holy?

Can you please quote the passage where Paul rebuked them for stopping work and told them to eat? I’m not familiar with it?

You missed the gist of my conversation with waiting. He claims my obedience to God's 4th commandment is "working my way to heaven". He asked if he kept every day as a sabbath would that count. I asked him if ceasing to work on every day (as per the commandment) would not be antagonistic to Paul's recommendation that we work in order to make a living...for Paul said if one doesn't work, let him not eat. 2Thess.3:10

Keraz · Feb 23, 2019

Lady Crosstalk said:
Yes--it is the "Blessed Hope".

Our Hope and our Destiny:

The Prophetic Word tells us how the Lord will save and protect His people during His terrible Day of wrath, the soon to happen Sixth Seal judgement of the nations. Isaiah 41:13, Isaiah 43:2, Zephaniah 2:3, 1 Corinthians 10:13, +
Then we will be gathered and will migrate into all of the holy Land. Psalms 107, Ezekiel 34:11-16 and Isaiah 66:18b-21, Isaiah 35:1-10 are some of the best prophesies about this. We Christians are the Lord's people, His chosen; John 15:18, 1 Peter 2:8-10, and we are the people; nation, who bear the proper fruit. Matthew 21:43. We will, at last; be His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, John 15:27 and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:8, Acts 13:47
So, basically there is no need for anyone, other than the 2 Witnesses to go to heaven, Rev 11:12 The whole idea of a rapture removal of Christians to heaven, is not part of God's plan for His people. Therefore, a body change is not necessary or logical, before the final wrap up and then all those whose names are written in the Book of Life, will receive immortality and be with God for Eternity, when God and therefore: heaven will be on earth. Rev 21:1-4

mjrhealth · Feb 23, 2019

brakelite said:
Do you really believe that when God said, "in it thou shalt not do any work", He was saying to them by not working you will "work your way into heaven"? Was Israel saved by obedience, or by grace? If they were saved as we are, by grace through faith, then why did God bother to give them His law if it were so meaningless? Think about your answer seriously instead of some flippant repartee.

Rom_9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Rom_9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Luk_16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Rom_4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect
forgot one thing

Exo_31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Lev_24:8 Every sabbath he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant.

even that you stole from them, He never made that covenant with us.

not that it will change anything

Phoneman777 · Feb 23, 2019

Lady Crosstalk said:
Actually, the Jerusalem Council almost certainly did that too (although not the murdering part--that goes back to Noah and Cain/Abel. The Gentiles generally observed the prohibition against murder even in pagan Rome). The ruling against eating meat sacrificed to idols and to refrain from consuming blood or the meat of strangled animals was getting at the idolatry that the Gentiles had formerly been known to have practiced. Where would one go to get meat sacrificed to idols? The pagan temples. Consuming blood is even today associated with evil rituals as was eating the meat of strangled animals (don't ask). They very likely didn't want the new converts to be anywhere near the pagan temples or engage in any kind of former rituals, for fear that they would get dragged back into their formerly pagan ways. Actually, it was the Apostle Paul who was something of a crusader on the subject of doing away with circumcision for the Gentiles. He makes an amusing comment, in that regard, in Galatians 5:12.

Paul was a crusader against the keeping of the Law of Moses, but i'm sure you'll agree was a firm advocate for the keeping of the Ten Commandments, including the Sabbath, as evidenced by the "writer to the Hebrews" (obviously Paul) in Hebrews 4:9-10.

Although he makes constant use of the Greek "kataposis" for "rest" throughout the first 10 verses, in verse 9 he deliberately chooses the Greek "Sabbatismos" which, despite futile attempts by Antinomianists to hide the truth, is correctly understood by scholars, translators and anyone willing to be honest with themselves to mean "Sabbath-keeping" or "Sabbath observance".

That's why the Pishitta translates it "It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath" - the seventh day "Sabbath of the Lord thy God", not the mythological first day of the week "Christian sabbath" day of the Sun which has honored the kingdom and authority of the Sun god Satan throughout the ages. As the world polarizes into the one of two camps, those who accept the Seal of God and those who will choose the Mark of the Beast, the issue will become unavoidably clear to all who will then have to "choose this day whom you will serve".

VictoryinJesus · Feb 23, 2019

brakelite said:
if one doesn't work, let him not eat.

1 Timothy 5:17-18
[17] Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. [18] For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

He who treadeth out corn...eats bread. Christ is our food. Paul was often naked, cold and hungry and in prison. Paul laboured for Christ not for the bread which perishes. Luke 14:15
[15] And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God.

Regarding the sabaoth that is the question are you laboring for the holy day which perishes in keeping of ‘temporal’ things of minding the flesh?

The fruit there is of the Spirit not never the fruit of flesh. Here is the rest of the children of God in sabbath keeping. Enter into God’s rest: Galatians 5:22-23
[22] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, [23] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

This this the acceptable day, the acceptable year of the Lord ...the fruits of the Spirit ...proving what is the acceptable perfect will of the Father which is for the body to be as the Son. Romans 8:28-30 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. [29] For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. [30] Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

This is the holy day that does not perish...that we ENTER into His rest.

Waiting on him · Feb 23, 2019

brakelite said:
You missed the gist of my conversation with waiting. He claims my obedience to God's 4th commandment is "working my way to heaven". He asked if he kept every day as a sabbath would that count. I asked him if ceasing to work on every day (as per the commandment) would not be antagonistic to Paul's recommendation that we work in order to make a living...for Paul said if one doesn't work, let him not eat. 2Thess.3:10

I’ve never begged bread.

bbyrd009 · Feb 23, 2019

Lady Crosstalk said:
Yes--if the whole world came to Him and asked forgiveness--He would wipe out their sins as well. But, sadly, we know from the Book of Revelation that a large portion of the world's population will not.

Ah, so you say.
Christians seem perennially surprised to discover that there is no "ask for forgiveness" in Scripture, not anywhere! Well, maybe 'surprised' is not the best description in the moment lol...anyway, I know that makes perfect sense to us, huh? Seems like a foregone conclusion dunnit.

Anyway, subject change but kinda related, if I were to tell you that you were forgiven for this pov, and even forgiven for teaching it, what would you say?

bbyrd009 · Feb 23, 2019

Waiting on him said:
I’ve never begged bread.

I think I'd prolly do that before locusts and honey tho lol

bbyrd009 · Feb 23, 2019

brakelite said:
You missed the gist of my conversation with waiting. He claims my obedience to God's 4th commandment is "working my way to heaven". He asked if he kept every day as a sabbath would that count. I asked him if ceasing to work on every day (as per the commandment) would not be antagonistic to Paul's recommendation that we work in order to make a living...for Paul said if one doesn't work, let him not eat. 2Thess.3:10

um, I'd verify that Quote bro, but anyway, interesting how Paul turns that into a commentary about spiritual working and eating too imo

bbyrd009 · Feb 23, 2019

VictoryinJesus said:
[17] Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine

Jesus, its like anyone with a crayon can be a translator or something lol. Reading from the Lex would sure clear up a lot of confusion imo

bbyrd009 · Feb 23, 2019

[ r: 7985"]Brother, I don't even know what you're talking about.

Baptism biting the dust? What is that?

Feels like beating a dead horse though.

Much love!
Mark[/QUOTE]yet he is steadily orating upon our eternal life from the moment we went under to the moment we um rose...not that you're alone on that horse or anything lol.

bbyrd009 · Feb 23, 2019

If you don't know what the preacher said during your adult immersion baptism, do yourself a favor and go find out imo. Today.

VictoryinJesus · Feb 23, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
Jesus, its like anyone with a crayon can be a translator or something lol. Reading from the Lex would sure clear up a lot of confusion imo

Went to read in Lexicon: preaching and teaching?

What is to “tread out the corn”? Really care to know how you see those verses? Do we labour for what perishes? Is there something else you see there?

bbyrd009 · Feb 23, 2019

VictoryinJesus said:
The Laws are Spirit and can only be fulfilled by the Spirit. As far as tithing. What is the temple of God? Is it not the body? Then why do buildings adornments and buildings being raised up in His name ...gain more care than the people?

imo bc more are the children of the desolate, but I tagged you to say that in another reflection we are the priests too, and there is some further truth in that in yalls context somewhere I'm pretty sure. Not being coy, dunno exactly what

VictoryinJesus · Feb 23, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
imo bc more are the children of the desolate, but I tagged you to say that in another reflection we are the priests too, and there is some further truth in that in yalls context somewhere I'm pretty sure. Not being coy, dunno exactly what

I’m thinking I read a comment once you made concerning “more are the children of the desolate” which revealed maybe we don’t see that the same? It is a good thing yeah? It is the meek, the poor in spirit, the rejected and despised, the broken, the weak, ‘the desolate’ who inherit the kingdom of God? Matthew 21:31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

bbyrd009 · Feb 23, 2019

VictoryinJesus said:
Went to read in Lexicon: preaching and teaching?

ya, sounds right, Word is def not worked in, although the ref is maybe innocent enough in this context, the prob is it then becomes exported to other concepts I guess, iow this is why so many believe in the beginning was the Bible prolly. Word is heard imo, that is our only interaction with Word, and lemme tell you, you don't want to hear It twice lol.

What is to “tread out the corn”? Really care to know how you see those verses? Do we labour for what perishes? Is there something else you see there?

well, once again, that v will change when you goto Lex, no corn there at all, actually no "object" in that phrase at all, hmm. Seems insignificant in the moment I guess. @ laboring for what perishes, ya I guess we do, but I am doing a like hit-and-run here kinda and just meant to interject something that might fwd someone's point, and I'm not hip to the context y'all are in really, sorry.

bbyrd009 · Feb 23, 2019

VictoryinJesus said:
I’m thinking I read a comment once you made concerning “more are the children of the desolate” which revealed maybe we don’t see that the same? It is a good thing yeah? It is the meek, the poor in spirit, the rejected and despised, the broken, the weak, ‘the desolate’ who inherit the kingdom of God?

um, I guess that is in a diff context, pick this one up about here prolly, Galatians 4:25 Lexicon: Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.

Matthew 21:31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

ya, those are not...prolly shouldn't be likened to the desolate in the other passage, but another witness here would be nice, maybe @amadeus will bail me out again

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