so please kriss do not delete this post ,as you think you have it resolved in your mind.and in all fairness should and needs to be a topic of great study.....i will prove to you in scipture the truth of it .and show you sunday was set up to be a false sabbath ,by works of satan to decieve the saints into a misguided path..here i am not invaliding the love people have for christ or questioning there salvation.it is about the straight words in the bible that conferm the sabbath and the words man makes up, to let such a change to happen...
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so please kriss do not delete this post ,as you think you have it resolved in your mind.and in all fairness should and needs to be a topic of great study.....i will prove to you in scipture the truth of it .and show you sunday was set up to be a false sabbath ,by works of satan to decieve the saints into a misguided path..here i am not invaliding the love people have for christ or questioning there salvation.it is about the straight words in the bible that conferm the sabbath and the words man makes up, to let such a change to happen...
Sabbath Day is not any day of the week. Sabbath means Rest. Does not Christ say that he will give you rest that are heavy laden. (Matthew 11:28-30) Does not Christ say that He is Lord, even of the Sabbath Day. (Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5)I think scripture say something like this...Colossians 2:16 - Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:On top of this...Isaiah 1:13 - Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
so please kriss do not delete this post ,as you think you have it resolved in your mind.and in all fairness should and needs to be a topic of great study.....i will prove to you in scipture the truth of it .and show you sunday was set up to be a false sabbath ,by works of satan to decieve the saints into a misguided path..here i am not invaliding the love people have for christ or questioning there salvation.it is about the straight words in the bible that conferm the sabbath and the words man makes up, to let such a change to happen...
Sabbath Day is not any day of the week. Sabbath means Rest. Does not Christ say that he will give you rest that are heavy laden. (Matthew 11:28-30) Does not Christ say that He is Lord, even of the Sabbath Day. (Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5)I think scripture say something like this...Colossians 2:16 - Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:On top of this...Isaiah 1:13 - Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
(thesuperjag;52678)
Sabbath Day is not any day of the week. Sabbath means Rest. Does not Christ say that he will give you rest that are heavy laden. (Matthew 11:28-30) Does not Christ say that He is Lord, even of the Sabbath Day. (Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5)I think scripture say something like this...Colossians 2:16 - Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:On top of this...Isaiah 1:13 - Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
that day god made holy,it was so important god made it a commandment..if he made everyday holy so man could make any day a sabbath it would of created big chaos even more then what the pope has done....been lord of the sabbath does not change the sabbath day as jesus said i come not to change one title of the law..and of course he gives you rest like a doctor like the holy spirit ..no where does he say or does it say the lord is the sabbath and the sabbath is done away with...and if you say he forfilled the law doing away with the law then everything is ok ..killing ,stealing ,having ten wives or husbands..TILL ME WHAT EZEK 20:20 MEANS TILL ME HOW YOU CAN INVALIDATE THOSE EXACT WORDS IN THE BIBLE
Sabbath Day is not any day of the week. Sabbath means Rest. Does not Christ say that he will give you rest that are heavy laden. (Matthew 11:28-30) Does not Christ say that He is Lord, even of the Sabbath Day. (Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5)I think scripture say something like this...Colossians 2:16 - Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:On top of this...Isaiah 1:13 - Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
that day god made holy,it was so important god made it a commandment..if he made everyday holy so man could make any day a sabbath it would of created big chaos even more then what the pope has done....been lord of the sabbath does not change the sabbath day as jesus said i come not to change one title of the law..and of course he gives you rest like a doctor like the holy spirit ..no where does he say or does it say the lord is the sabbath and the sabbath is done away with...and if you say he forfilled the law doing away with the law then everything is ok ..killing ,stealing ,having ten wives or husbands..TILL ME WHAT EZEK 20:20 MEANS TILL ME HOW YOU CAN INVALIDATE THOSE EXACT WORDS IN THE BIBLE
(bullfighter;52676)
so please kriss do not delete this post ,as you think you have it resolved in your mind.and in all fairness should and needs to be a topic of great study.....i will prove to you in scipture the truth of it .and show you sunday was set up to be a false sabbath ,by works of satan to decieve the saints into a misguided path..here i am not invaliding the love people have for christ or questioning there salvation.it is about the straight words in the bible that conferm the sabbath and the words man makes up, to let such a change to happen...
I have no problem leaving your thread what I told you is stop posting it under every subject on the board you want to make it one thread thats fine.And it has been studied and discussed on a weekly basis for years. If you would look Im sure you would find many threads on it. All I ever told you was stop putting it everywhere and give me scripture that backs your claim We are to judge people by the day they worship.
so please kriss do not delete this post ,as you think you have it resolved in your mind.and in all fairness should and needs to be a topic of great study.....i will prove to you in scipture the truth of it .and show you sunday was set up to be a false sabbath ,by works of satan to decieve the saints into a misguided path..here i am not invaliding the love people have for christ or questioning there salvation.it is about the straight words in the bible that conferm the sabbath and the words man makes up, to let such a change to happen...
I have no problem leaving your thread what I told you is stop posting it under every subject on the board you want to make it one thread thats fine.And it has been studied and discussed on a weekly basis for years. If you would look Im sure you would find many threads on it. All I ever told you was stop putting it everywhere and give me scripture that backs your claim We are to judge people by the day they worship.
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(thesuperjag;52678)
(bullfighter;52676)
so please kriss do not delete this post ,as you think you have it resolved in your mind.and in all fairness should and needs to be a topic of great study.....i will prove to you in scipture the truth of it .and show you sunday was set up to be a false sabbath ,by works of satan to decieve the saints into a misguided path..here i am not invaliding the love people have for christ or questioning there salvation.it is about the straight words in the bible that conferm the sabbath and the words man makes up, to let such a change to happen...
Sabbath Day is not any day of the week. Sabbath means Rest. Does not Christ say that he will give you rest that are heavy laden. (Matthew 11:28-30) Does not Christ say that He is Lord, even of the Sabbath Day. (Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5)I think scripture say something like this...Colossians 2:16 - Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:On top of this...Isaiah 1:13 - Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.that day god made holy,it was so important god made it a commandment..if he made everyday holy so man could make any day a sabbath it would of created big chaos even more then what the pope has done....been lord of the sabbath does not change the sabbath day as jesus said i come not to change one title of the law..and of course he gives you rest like a doctor like the holy spirit ..no where does he say or does it say the lord is the sabbath and the sabbath is done away with...and if you say he forfilled the law doing away with the law then everything is ok ..killing ,stealing ,having ten wives or husbands..TILL ME WHAT EZEK 20:20 MEANS TILL ME HOW YOU CAN INVALIDATE THOSE EXACT WORDS IN THE BIBLEI have no problem with that verse, but men had added so much men's rules onto sabbath, hence the reason God hates it when people add these things onto it, that men has made their selfish sabbath. The sabbath was made for men, not men for the Sabbath. (Mark 2:27) Why do you think these Pharisees wanted to kill Christ? Because Christ decided not to follow the evil of men's sabbath. Isaiah 1:13 proves my point...
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(bullfighter;52676)
so please kriss do not delete this post ,as you think you have it resolved in your mind.and in all fairness should and needs to be a topic of great study.....i will prove to you in scipture the truth of it .and show you sunday was set up to be a false sabbath ,by works of satan to decieve the saints into a misguided path..here i am not invaliding the love people have for christ or questioning there salvation.it is about the straight words in the bible that conferm the sabbath and the words man makes up, to let such a change to happen...
Sabbath Day is not any day of the week. Sabbath means Rest. Does not Christ say that he will give you rest that are heavy laden. (Matthew 11:28-30) Does not Christ say that He is Lord, even of the Sabbath Day. (Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5)I think scripture say something like this...Colossians 2:16 - Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:On top of this...Isaiah 1:13 - Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.that day god made holy,it was so important god made it a commandment..if he made everyday holy so man could make any day a sabbath it would of created big chaos even more then what the pope has done....been lord of the sabbath does not change the sabbath day as jesus said i come not to change one title of the law..and of course he gives you rest like a doctor like the holy spirit ..no where does he say or does it say the lord is the sabbath and the sabbath is done away with...and if you say he forfilled the law doing away with the law then everything is ok ..killing ,stealing ,having ten wives or husbands..TILL ME WHAT EZEK 20:20 MEANS TILL ME HOW YOU CAN INVALIDATE THOSE EXACT WORDS IN THE BIBLEI have no problem with that verse, but men had added so much men's rules onto sabbath, hence the reason God hates it when people add these things onto it, that men has made their selfish sabbath. The sabbath was made for men, not men for the Sabbath. (Mark 2:27) Why do you think these Pharisees wanted to kill Christ? Because Christ decided not to follow the evil of men's sabbath. Isaiah 1:13 proves my point...
Agreed JagMat 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. Mat 12:2 But when the Pharisees saw [it], they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. Mat 12:10 And, behold, there was a man which had [his] hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. Mat 12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift [it] out? Mat 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days. Even Christ broke mens Sabbath. Whether one get's it or not The Sabbath as A DAY was never taught in the New testamentYet it is a commandment we are to follow so how does this not make for a contradiction find the answer to that and you will understand the Sabbath.Hint.... it not about a Day its the Sabbath (its essence) we are to never forget
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Sabbath Day is not any day of the week. Sabbath means Rest.
And shabat shabaton means?(thesuperjag)
On top of this...Isaiah 1:13 - Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith YHVH, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith YHVH. Jeremiah 17:21 Thus saith YHVH, Take heed to yourselves, and bear no burden on the sabbath day, nor bring it in by the gates of Jerusalem; 22 neither carry forth a burden out of your houses on the sabbath day, neither do ye any work: but hallow ye the sabbath day, as I commanded your fathers. 23 But they hearkened not, neither inclined their ear, but made their neck stiff, that they might not hear, and might not receive instruction.Hebrews 4:9 there remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his. 11 Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, that no man fall after the same example of disobedience.
Sabbath Day is not any day of the week. Sabbath means Rest.
And shabat shabaton means?(thesuperjag)
On top of this...Isaiah 1:13 - Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith YHVH, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith YHVH. Jeremiah 17:21 Thus saith YHVH, Take heed to yourselves, and bear no burden on the sabbath day, nor bring it in by the gates of Jerusalem; 22 neither carry forth a burden out of your houses on the sabbath day, neither do ye any work: but hallow ye the sabbath day, as I commanded your fathers. 23 But they hearkened not, neither inclined their ear, but made their neck stiff, that they might not hear, and might not receive instruction.Hebrews 4:9 there remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his. 11 Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, that no man fall after the same example of disobedience.
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(bullfighter;52682)
Tell me what Ezek 20:20 means. Tell me how how you can invalidate those exact words in the Bible
Reminds me of Exodus 31:15. For as the rainbow is an everlasting covenant and a sign, so too is shabat an everlasting covenant and a sign.BTW Bullfighter: Please do not use all caps, it is disrespectful.
Tell me what Ezek 20:20 means. Tell me how how you can invalidate those exact words in the Bible
Reminds me of Exodus 31:15. For as the rainbow is an everlasting covenant and a sign, so too is shabat an everlasting covenant and a sign.BTW Bullfighter: Please do not use all caps, it is disrespectful.
(Richard_oti;52705)
(thesuperjag;52678)
Sabbath Day is not any day of the week. Sabbath means Rest.
And shabat shabaton means?I do not know Hebrew enough, but I will find out sooner or later.(Richard_oti;52707)
(thesuperjag;52678)
On top of this...Isaiah 1:13 - Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith YHVH, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith YHVH.Jeremiah 17:21 Thus saith YHVH, Take heed to yourselves, and bear no burden on the sabbath day, nor bring it in by the gates of Jerusalem; 22 neither carry forth a burden out of your houses on the sabbath day, neither do ye any work: but hallow ye the sabbath day, as I commanded your fathers. 23 But they hearkened not, neither inclined their ear, but made their neck stiff, that they might not hear, and might not receive instruction.Hebrews 4:9 there remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his. 11 Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, that no man fall after the same example of disobedience.I see scriptures being twisted. What does Isaiah 66:22-23 have to do with this (second) Earth Age, when scripture is talking about the Final Earth Age which God say new Heaven and new Earth. (II Peter 3:13, Revelation 21:1)Finally Jeremiah 17:21...this is talking about God's Sabbath, but nowhere do we find in the bible to follow men's sabbath. They have profane it.Hebrews 4:9...Did I not say that Christ is our Sabbath which is our Rest?
(thesuperjag;52678)
Sabbath Day is not any day of the week. Sabbath means Rest.
And shabat shabaton means?I do not know Hebrew enough, but I will find out sooner or later.(Richard_oti;52707)
(thesuperjag;52678)
On top of this...Isaiah 1:13 - Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith YHVH, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith YHVH.Jeremiah 17:21 Thus saith YHVH, Take heed to yourselves, and bear no burden on the sabbath day, nor bring it in by the gates of Jerusalem; 22 neither carry forth a burden out of your houses on the sabbath day, neither do ye any work: but hallow ye the sabbath day, as I commanded your fathers. 23 But they hearkened not, neither inclined their ear, but made their neck stiff, that they might not hear, and might not receive instruction.Hebrews 4:9 there remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his. 11 Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, that no man fall after the same example of disobedience.I see scriptures being twisted. What does Isaiah 66:22-23 have to do with this (second) Earth Age, when scripture is talking about the Final Earth Age which God say new Heaven and new Earth. (II Peter 3:13, Revelation 21:1)Finally Jeremiah 17:21...this is talking about God's Sabbath, but nowhere do we find in the bible to follow men's sabbath. They have profane it.Hebrews 4:9...Did I not say that Christ is our Sabbath which is our Rest?
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I do not know Hebrew enough, but I will find out sooner or later.
Indubitably.OTOH: Since you do not know enough Hebrew, how can you define shabat as simply being 'rest' when it is described as shabat shabaton?Shabat and shabaton are both nouns in form.While the verb form seems relatively easy, in that it means: to cease; to desist; to rest. That is just the tip of the iceberg.In cases in which it is written hashabat [ha-shabat] the definite article clearly identifies it as a noun.For study: Exodus 16:23 shabaton shabat_qodesh; 31:15 ha-shevi`i shabat shabaton qodesh; 35:2 qodesh shabat shabaton; Leviticus 23:3 u-va-yom ha-shevi`i shabat shabaton miqra_qodesh;Vocabulary words:Shevi`i: SeventhQodesh: HolyYom: DayMiqra: AssemblyYes, there is greater depth to each of these, however that is enough to get started.(thesuperjag)
I see scriptures being twisted.
Do you?(thesuperjag)
What does Isaiah 66:22-23 have to do with this (second) Earth Age, when scripture is talking about the Final Earth Age which God say new Heaven and new Earth. (II Peter 3:13, Revelation 21:1)
It demonstrates the 'perpetuality' of ha-shabat [cf Exo 31:14-17].(thesuperjag)
Finally Jeremiah 17:21...this is talking about God's Sabbath, but nowhere do we find in the bible to follow men's sabbath. They have profane it.
Indubitably. Also see Jeremiah 6:16.Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his.(thesuperjag)
Hebrews 4:9...Did I not say that Christ is our Sabbath which is our Rest?
...as God did from his.
I do not know Hebrew enough, but I will find out sooner or later.
Indubitably.OTOH: Since you do not know enough Hebrew, how can you define shabat as simply being 'rest' when it is described as shabat shabaton?Shabat and shabaton are both nouns in form.While the verb form seems relatively easy, in that it means: to cease; to desist; to rest. That is just the tip of the iceberg.In cases in which it is written hashabat [ha-shabat] the definite article clearly identifies it as a noun.For study: Exodus 16:23 shabaton shabat_qodesh; 31:15 ha-shevi`i shabat shabaton qodesh; 35:2 qodesh shabat shabaton; Leviticus 23:3 u-va-yom ha-shevi`i shabat shabaton miqra_qodesh;Vocabulary words:Shevi`i: SeventhQodesh: HolyYom: DayMiqra: AssemblyYes, there is greater depth to each of these, however that is enough to get started.(thesuperjag)
I see scriptures being twisted.
Do you?(thesuperjag)
What does Isaiah 66:22-23 have to do with this (second) Earth Age, when scripture is talking about the Final Earth Age which God say new Heaven and new Earth. (II Peter 3:13, Revelation 21:1)
It demonstrates the 'perpetuality' of ha-shabat [cf Exo 31:14-17].(thesuperjag)
Finally Jeremiah 17:21...this is talking about God's Sabbath, but nowhere do we find in the bible to follow men's sabbath. They have profane it.
Indubitably. Also see Jeremiah 6:16.Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his.(thesuperjag)
Hebrews 4:9...Did I not say that Christ is our Sabbath which is our Rest?
...as God did from his.
(Richard_oti;52727)
Indubitably.OTOH: Since you do not know enough Hebrew, how can you define shabat as simply being 'rest' when it is described as shabat shabaton?Shabat and shabaton are both nouns in form.While the verb form seems relatively easy, in that it means: to cease; to desist; to rest. That is just the tip of the iceberg.In cases in which it is written hashabat [ha-shabat] the definite article clearly identifies it as a noun.For study: Exodus 16:23 shabaton shabat_qodesh; 31:15 ha-shevi`i shabat shabaton qodesh; 35:2 qodesh shabat shabaton; Leviticus 23:3 u-va-yom ha-shevi`i shabat shabaton miqra_qodesh;Vocabulary words:Shevi`i: SeventhQodesh: HolyYom: DayMiqra: AssemblyYes, there is greater depth to each of these, however that is enough to get started.Do you?It demonstrates the 'perpetuality' of ha-shabat [cf Exo 31:14-17].Indubitably. Also see Jeremiah 6:16.Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his....as God did from his.
do you not think it is strange that some thing that god santified and said keep holy and the same thing the pope changed you all fight to keep .ok then he said the seventh day .we all know it was the sabbath and for many reasons you try to justify the changeing of it...i asked how do you throw out the verse ezek 20:20 ezek 20:12 rev 12:17 and rev 14 :12 .please till me one by one how you take these exact words and put then into your own to invalidate the whole verse..then i will bring up others and you will see what you are doing here .then you can bring up other verses and put your own words to it to make valid your throwing out the real day that god santified the day god said to remember..the day that the pope changed and i will show you when and why...and where in danial he tills you of who thinks to change the times and laws of god...i mean its right in front of your eyes in plain words and you do not see it ..so first please till me those verses and how you invalidate them..i am not making it a burden i am not judging you i am saying you are following a false reason that is very important to make right
Indubitably.OTOH: Since you do not know enough Hebrew, how can you define shabat as simply being 'rest' when it is described as shabat shabaton?Shabat and shabaton are both nouns in form.While the verb form seems relatively easy, in that it means: to cease; to desist; to rest. That is just the tip of the iceberg.In cases in which it is written hashabat [ha-shabat] the definite article clearly identifies it as a noun.For study: Exodus 16:23 shabaton shabat_qodesh; 31:15 ha-shevi`i shabat shabaton qodesh; 35:2 qodesh shabat shabaton; Leviticus 23:3 u-va-yom ha-shevi`i shabat shabaton miqra_qodesh;Vocabulary words:Shevi`i: SeventhQodesh: HolyYom: DayMiqra: AssemblyYes, there is greater depth to each of these, however that is enough to get started.Do you?It demonstrates the 'perpetuality' of ha-shabat [cf Exo 31:14-17].Indubitably. Also see Jeremiah 6:16.Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his....as God did from his.
do you not think it is strange that some thing that god santified and said keep holy and the same thing the pope changed you all fight to keep .ok then he said the seventh day .we all know it was the sabbath and for many reasons you try to justify the changeing of it...i asked how do you throw out the verse ezek 20:20 ezek 20:12 rev 12:17 and rev 14 :12 .please till me one by one how you take these exact words and put then into your own to invalidate the whole verse..then i will bring up others and you will see what you are doing here .then you can bring up other verses and put your own words to it to make valid your throwing out the real day that god santified the day god said to remember..the day that the pope changed and i will show you when and why...and where in danial he tills you of who thinks to change the times and laws of god...i mean its right in front of your eyes in plain words and you do not see it ..so first please till me those verses and how you invalidate them..i am not making it a burden i am not judging you i am saying you are following a false reason that is very important to make right
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I have no Christ decided not to follow the evil of men's sabbath. Isaiah 1:13 proves my point...
do not bring anything else to the only and true sabbath that god made ,do not add to it ...thank you for this god hates man made sabbath..the sunday thing
I have no Christ decided not to follow the evil of men's sabbath. Isaiah 1:13 proves my point...
do not bring anything else to the only and true sabbath that god made ,do not add to it ...thank you for this god hates man made sabbath..the sunday thing
(kriss;52686)
Agreed JagMat 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. THANK YOU for all your attention here please do not stop as this is so important for you to get, in these last days of easy living in this country..we must stand for christ soon when it even brings danger to our lifes..Mat 12:2 But when the Pharisees saw [it], they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. jesus corrected them here we know the pharisees where hipocrites and cheaters the same as many faulse teachers todayMat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? your point isMat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.true Mat 12:10 And, behold, there was a man which had [his] hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. Mat 12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift [it] out?true and we should do the same Mat 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.true Even Christ broke mens Sabbath.so what was mens sabbath and what was the sabbath that god meant Whether one get's it or not The Sabbath as A DAY was never taught in the New testamentit was never done away with ,and jesus said he was the lord of the sabbath saying that there was a sabbathYet it is a commandment we are to follow so how does this not make for a contradiction find the answer to that and you will understand the Sabbath.so you think there is a contridiction here you just throw the forth commandment out the one that god says to rememberHint.... it not about a Day its the Sabbath (its essence) we are to never forget
christ did not break it he showed you what you may do on the sabbath ,and god made the seventh day sabbath not men..
Agreed JagMat 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. THANK YOU for all your attention here please do not stop as this is so important for you to get, in these last days of easy living in this country..we must stand for christ soon when it even brings danger to our lifes..Mat 12:2 But when the Pharisees saw [it], they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. jesus corrected them here we know the pharisees where hipocrites and cheaters the same as many faulse teachers todayMat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? your point isMat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.true Mat 12:10 And, behold, there was a man which had [his] hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. Mat 12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift [it] out?true and we should do the same Mat 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.true Even Christ broke mens Sabbath.so what was mens sabbath and what was the sabbath that god meant Whether one get's it or not The Sabbath as A DAY was never taught in the New testamentit was never done away with ,and jesus said he was the lord of the sabbath saying that there was a sabbathYet it is a commandment we are to follow so how does this not make for a contradiction find the answer to that and you will understand the Sabbath.so you think there is a contridiction here you just throw the forth commandment out the one that god says to rememberHint.... it not about a Day its the Sabbath (its essence) we are to never forget
christ did not break it he showed you what you may do on the sabbath ,and god made the seventh day sabbath not men..
(bullfighter;52751)
do you not think it is strange that some thing that god santified and said keep holy and the same thing the pope changed you all fight to keep .ok then he said the seventh day .we all know it was the sabbath and for many reasons you try to justify the changeing of it...i asked how do you throw out the verse ezek 20:20 ezek 20:12 rev 12:17 and rev 14 :12 .please till me one by one how you take these exact words and put then into your own to invalidate the whole verse..then i will bring up others and you will see what you are doing here .then you can bring up other verses and put your own words to it to make valid your throwing out the real day that god santified the day god said to remember..the day that the pope changed and i will show you when and why...and where in danial he tills you of who thinks to change the times and laws of god...i mean its right in front of your eyes in plain words and you do not see it ..so first please till me those verses and how you invalidate them..i am not making it a burden i am not judging you i am saying you are following a false reason that is very important to make right
Theres no real evidence the pope changed the sabbath. Even in SDA circles they have discovered its not true. They hav in fact taken credit but did not change it. unless yuo have some new evidence.I am in agreement with you on the sabbath excep that.
do you not think it is strange that some thing that god santified and said keep holy and the same thing the pope changed you all fight to keep .ok then he said the seventh day .we all know it was the sabbath and for many reasons you try to justify the changeing of it...i asked how do you throw out the verse ezek 20:20 ezek 20:12 rev 12:17 and rev 14 :12 .please till me one by one how you take these exact words and put then into your own to invalidate the whole verse..then i will bring up others and you will see what you are doing here .then you can bring up other verses and put your own words to it to make valid your throwing out the real day that god santified the day god said to remember..the day that the pope changed and i will show you when and why...and where in danial he tills you of who thinks to change the times and laws of god...i mean its right in front of your eyes in plain words and you do not see it ..so first please till me those verses and how you invalidate them..i am not making it a burden i am not judging you i am saying you are following a false reason that is very important to make right
Theres no real evidence the pope changed the sabbath. Even in SDA circles they have discovered its not true. They hav in fact taken credit but did not change it. unless yuo have some new evidence.I am in agreement with you on the sabbath excep that.
(bullfighter;52752)
(bullfighter's false claim of thesuperjag's saying)
I have no Christ decided not to follow the evil of men's sabbath. Isaiah 1:13 proves my point...
do not bring anything else to the only and true sabbath that god made ,do not add to it ...thank you for this god hates man made sabbath..the sunday thing...
You are SO a serpent in my eyes. Stop twisting my words for your preconceive ideas of men. The true Sabbath will never be a day of the week.Here is what I truly said...(thesuperjag;52685)
...Because Christ decided not to follow the evil of men's sabbath. Isaiah 1:13 proves my point...
(bullfighter;52753)
(Kriss;52686)
Agreed Jag Mat 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. THANK YOU for all your attention here please do not stop as this is so important for you to get, in these last days of easy living in this country..we must stand for christ soon when it even brings danger to our lifes.. Mat 12:2 But when the Pharisees saw [it], they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. jesus corrected them here we know the pharisees where hipocrites and cheaters the same as many faulse teachers today [url="http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Mat+12%3A5]Mat 12:5[/url] Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? your point is [url="http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Mat+12%3A8]Mat 12:8[/url] For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.true [url="http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Mat+12%3A10]Mat 12:10[/url] And, behold, there was a man which had [his] hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. Mat 12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift [it] out?true and we should do the same [url="http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Mat+12%3A12]Mat 12:12[/url] How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.true Even Christ broke mens Sabbath.so what was mens sabbath and what was the sabbath that god meant Whether one get's it or not The Sabbath as A DAY was never taught in the New testamentit was never done away with ,and jesus said he was the lord of the sabbath saying that there was a sabbath Yet it is a commandment we are to follow so how does this not make for a contradiction find the answer to that and you will understand the Sabbath.so you think there is a contridiction here you just throw the forth commandment out the one that god says to remember Hint.... it not about a Day its the Sabbath (its essence) we are to never forget
christ did not break it he showed you what you may do on the sabbath ,and god made the seventh day sabbath not men..She never said that Christ broke the Sabbath... He only broke men's sabbath, as He is the true Sabbath. Can you read?
(bullfighter's false claim of thesuperjag's saying)
I have no Christ decided not to follow the evil of men's sabbath. Isaiah 1:13 proves my point...
do not bring anything else to the only and true sabbath that god made ,do not add to it ...thank you for this god hates man made sabbath..the sunday thing...
...Because Christ decided not to follow the evil of men's sabbath. Isaiah 1:13 proves my point...
(bullfighter;52753)
(Kriss;52686)
Agreed Jag Mat 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. THANK YOU for all your attention here please do not stop as this is so important for you to get, in these last days of easy living in this country..we must stand for christ soon when it even brings danger to our lifes.. Mat 12:2 But when the Pharisees saw [it], they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. jesus corrected them here we know the pharisees where hipocrites and cheaters the same as many faulse teachers today [url="http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Mat+12%3A5]Mat 12:5[/url] Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? your point is [url="http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Mat+12%3A8]Mat 12:8[/url] For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.true [url="http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Mat+12%3A10]Mat 12:10[/url] And, behold, there was a man which had [his] hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. Mat 12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift [it] out?true and we should do the same [url="http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Mat+12%3A12]Mat 12:12[/url] How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.true Even Christ broke mens Sabbath.so what was mens sabbath and what was the sabbath that god meant Whether one get's it or not The Sabbath as A DAY was never taught in the New testamentit was never done away with ,and jesus said he was the lord of the sabbath saying that there was a sabbath Yet it is a commandment we are to follow so how does this not make for a contradiction find the answer to that and you will understand the Sabbath.so you think there is a contridiction here you just throw the forth commandment out the one that god says to remember Hint.... it not about a Day its the Sabbath (its essence) we are to never forget
christ did not break it he showed you what you may do on the sabbath ,and god made the seventh day sabbath not men..She never said that Christ broke the Sabbath... He only broke men's sabbath, as He is the true Sabbath. Can you read?
(thesuperjag;52757)
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You are SO a serpent in my eyes. Stop twisting my words for your preconceive ideas of men. The true Sabbath will never be a day of the week.Here is what I truly said...She never said that Christ broke the Sabbath... He only broke men's sabbath, as He is the true Sabbath. Can you read?
i am not twisting anything ,you should read the ten commandments,go ahead and keep your dilution on the sub,i was tring to help you with something i know the same as you know christ is real..the sabbath was the seventh day and god santified it you want to change it so much fine then i only warning you of your mistake
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i am not twisting anything ,you should read the ten commandments,go ahead and keep your dilution on the sub,i was tring to help you with something i know the same as you know christ is real..the sabbath was the seventh day and god santified it you want to change it so much fine then i only warning you of your mistake
(crooner;52754)
Theres no real evidence the pope changed the sabbath. Even in SDA circles they have discovered its not true. They hav in fact taken credit but did not change it. unless yuo have some new evidence.I am in agreement with you on the sabbath excep that.
i will get all the info i can get on that.you are right i should have it in front of me to show when asked ..i seen many articles.
Theres no real evidence the pope changed the sabbath. Even in SDA circles they have discovered its not true. They hav in fact taken credit but did not change it. unless yuo have some new evidence.I am in agreement with you on the sabbath excep that.
i will get all the info i can get on that.you are right i should have it in front of me to show when asked ..i seen many articles.
(thesuperjag;52757)
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You are SO a serpent in my eyes. Stop twisting my words for your preconceive ideas of men. The true Sabbath will never be a day of the week.Here is what I truly said...She never said that Christ broke the Sabbath... He only broke men's sabbath, as He is the true Sabbath. Can you read?
or you can invalidate that also ,when does heaven and earth pass away...all i know is that you will be lead to the mark and find it hard to resist it with your thoughts on the sub..
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or you can invalidate that also ,when does heaven and earth pass away...all i know is that you will be lead to the mark and find it hard to resist it with your thoughts on the sub..
You can have what ever opinion you like it changes nothing God said we are not to Judge anyone for the day they worship. If you judging people for this makes you in the Wrong!!The facts are the Sabbath was for Rest that is to rest from your Wordly Work. And think on Gods Work if one is doing charity or reading their bible on the Sabbath and worshiping on Sunday they are observing the Sabbath as it was intened so NO ONE HAS A RIGHT TO JUDGE BY THE DAY SOMEONE GOES TO CHURCHthat is what Christ was teaching Thats what the Bible says.
(kriss;52764)
You can have what ever opinion you like it changes nothing God said we are not to Judge anyone for the day they worship. If you judging people for this makes you in the Wrong!!The facts are the Sabbath was for Rest that is to rest from your Wordly Work. And think on Gods Work if one is doing charity or reading their bible on the Sabbath and worshiping on Sunday they are observing the Sabbath as it was intened so NO ONE HAS A RIGHT TO JUDGE BY THE DAY SOMEONE GOES TO CHURCHthat is what Christ was teaching Thats what the Bible says.
i am not judging anyone,i no i have the right to my opinions..you people still have not addressed the verses i gave you on the sub..in math,in rev and in ezek...you find your own verses and make it into your own opinion..when the verses i give you is clear..jesus did not become the sabbath or it would say so clearly..god said remember the seventh day sabbath.i feel if you do away with the forth you can do away with them all leaving man to justify what ever he wants to,when it comes to killing ,stealing ,having ten wives ect..you make the sabbath that was santified by god a useless thing in your belief,.if jesus was the replacement for the sabbath he would not of said what he said about disobeying the comands of god for the traditions of man[till me what command he was talking about ]...please take each verse i gave and explain it for me....
You can have what ever opinion you like it changes nothing God said we are not to Judge anyone for the day they worship. If you judging people for this makes you in the Wrong!!The facts are the Sabbath was for Rest that is to rest from your Wordly Work. And think on Gods Work if one is doing charity or reading their bible on the Sabbath and worshiping on Sunday they are observing the Sabbath as it was intened so NO ONE HAS A RIGHT TO JUDGE BY THE DAY SOMEONE GOES TO CHURCHthat is what Christ was teaching Thats what the Bible says.
i am not judging anyone,i no i have the right to my opinions..you people still have not addressed the verses i gave you on the sub..in math,in rev and in ezek...you find your own verses and make it into your own opinion..when the verses i give you is clear..jesus did not become the sabbath or it would say so clearly..god said remember the seventh day sabbath.i feel if you do away with the forth you can do away with them all leaving man to justify what ever he wants to,when it comes to killing ,stealing ,having ten wives ect..you make the sabbath that was santified by god a useless thing in your belief,.if jesus was the replacement for the sabbath he would not of said what he said about disobeying the comands of god for the traditions of man[till me what command he was talking about ]...please take each verse i gave and explain it for me....
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