Eve in the Garden
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CoreIssue
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Jesus spoke through parables. But I guess Avengers isn't a story older generations understand much. God uses a number of things to speak to us through. Why not? It makes sense to me anyway. I cannot wait to find out one day! We serve an amazing Father.
BARNEY BRIGHT
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What I do know is that God word clearly says Jesus is God only begotten Son, something I believe you and those like you want people to deny. The scriptures have always said that those who deny that God's Only-begotten Son became flesh died for mankind then God resurrected him three days after his death will always be in their sins. I know that those like you believe it was God who became flesh but that means you are denying that God's Only-begotten Son became flesh. I will never deny this. If you want to call me ignorant or call me names or whatever for that so what, they persecuted Jesus and said he was demonic and other negative remarks about him because of the things he said or did.
BARNEY BRIGHT
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No you said, " if they had not eaten, I don't think they would have children. They didn't have sex until after they ate."
CoreIssue
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Do you know what son of god means? Adam was called son of god.
The KJV adds the word be gotten that is in other translations.
I don't deny Christ is the son of god when you define that term correctly that.
How do you reconcile two sons of god and only one son of god.
I believe the difference is that one was created from dirt with the spirit breathed into it and one created by supernatural impregnation of Mary with the spirit of the second person of the Trinity entering her womb. But concede we don't really know.
God is Trinity. So son of the Trinity? Son of the father? Son of the holy spirit?
All we know for fact is Adam was an original creation whose spirit did not exist before that moment while the body of Christ did not exist before that time but the second person of the Trinity which entered that body is eternal.
Jesus Christ existed as promise and prophecy. The second person of the Trinity is eternal God.
CoreIssue
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Correct. If they had not eaten they would not have been cast out of the garden.
Sex requires desire. That did not happen until after they ate and were cast out of garden.
In the New Jerusalem we will not have that desire and we will not have sex. That I see a correlation.
Correct. If they had not eaten they would not have been cast out of the garden.
Sex requires desire. That did not happen until after they ate and were cast out of garden.
In the New Jerusalem we will not have that desire and we will not have sex. That I see a correlation.
BARNEY BRIGHT
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I'm glad I'm not one of those people who takes a show or movie and try to compare it to something as serious as God and his kingdom. Anyone can think what they want about that. By the way I'm 62 years old and seen all the Avenger movies and like them. I just think of them as movies that come from the imagination of men, not an organization that God is working through. It's just a movie, very entertaining yes but God speaking to people this way I don't think so. But others who want to believe God speaks to people this way, that's their right.
Yes, but while God has always known the finish of each of us, somehow in a way we cannot understand, He did not decide our fate. The decision has been and is ours! If our end result has been, or is to be death, that is the way we have freely chosen. If our end result is, or is to be, Life, that is the Way we have freely chosen. No one time choice here, but a continuous series of choosing until the final decision before our allotted time is completed.
If God foresaw sin, created, and judges all guilty in Adam, as Paul says, he most certainly decided everyone's lot in life.
CoreIssue
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Knowing an out-come is not the same as deciding the outcome.
Again with no free will calvinism from you.
BARNEY BRIGHT
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Angels are called sons of God, so why is it people have a problem with Jesus being a son of God. I also believe that God's Only-begotten Son existed in heaven as Gods Only-begotten Son before coming to this world as a perfect sinless human. I believe The Only-begotten Son is also The Word (The Word of God) that became flesh. You and others don't want to believe that, That's your and their right. You want to say or imply that I don't know what I'm talking about go ahead. The people back in Jesus day said such about Jesus and his Apostles.
BARNEY BRIGHT
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So you are saying that when God created Adam and Eve and told them to be fruitful and multiply they being perfect sinless people at the time, that God was telling them to do an impossible thing, because according to you the way God created humanity is that the only way they could ever have the desire to multiply is if they sinned? Is this what you are trying to tell people.
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Again trying to apply man's logic to the things of God. It works sometimes, but don't presume that God is bound by it simply because our little human brains are alone unable to do it any other way:
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 55:8-9
Sometimes God will open up our understanding to things most men, even believers, cannot understand, but if He does, this does not also mean that we are able to share our thusly received understanding with anyone else we happen to choose.
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When God created, he decided the outcome based on his perfect knowledge. The wages of sin is death and all die.
Infants are already dead at birth to a natural mother in the sight of God. They remain so until and if they receive the Life which Jesus brought. Infants who die physically are not dead because of their own sins. They are simply dead! Those who are dead cannot bring forth Life while they remain dead.
Paul says they are dead because of Adam's sins. Adam proved we are a wicked species when tested under the best conditions.
Well, that's certainly not assured. We are only told what happened after the fall, there could be tens of thousands of years and children unaccounted for.
BARNEY BRIGHT
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You are saying what, God created a wicked person when he created the Angel that became a Satan and a devil and God created a wicked human when he created Adam?
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