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Story of Eden Not Literal?Genesis 3:8 ESV And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.John 1:18 ESV No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.Colossians 1:15 ESV He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.1 Corinthians 15:45 ESV Thus it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
 

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Before this even starts 1 Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, “I have acquired a man from the LORD.” (genesis 4:1)--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------and the response to that usually is " but Ryan you have to realize that eve isn't God." Ok. well neither is David, so lets throw out the psalms, God doesn't speak in that book. and neither is Solomon, goodbye proverbs, and neither is Paul so lets throw out his epistles along with Johns and Peters.actually following that statment we would throw out half the bible if not all of it.Genesis 4:1 clearly and unarguably throws out the serpent seed.
 

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I'd like to add these scripturesGenesis 1:5 ESV God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.Revelation 21:24-25 ESV (24) By its light will the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it, (25) and its gates will never be shut by day--and there will be no night there.1 Timothy 2:14-15 ESV and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. (15) Yet she will be saved through childbearing--if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.
 

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Before this even starts 1 Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, “I have acquired a man from the LORD.” (genesis 4:1)--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------and the response to that usually is " but Ryan you have to realize that eve isn't God." Ok. well neither is David, so lets throw out the psalms, God doesn't speak in that book. and neither is Solomon, goodbye proverbs, and neither is Paul so lets throw out his epistles along with Johns and Peters.actually following that statment we would throw out half the bible if not all of it.Genesis 4:1 clearly and unarguably throws out the serpent seed.
So you ignore Genesis 3:15?
 

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a few moreIsaiah 5:1-7 ESV Let me sing for my beloved my love song concerning his vineyard: My beloved had a vineyard on a very fertile hill. (2) He dug it and cleared it of stones, and planted it with choice vines; he built a watchtower in the midst of it, and hewed out a wine vat in it; and he looked for it to yield grapes, but it yielded wild grapes. (3) And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem and men of Judah, judge between me and my vineyard. (4) What more was there to do for my vineyard, that I have not done in it? When I looked for it to yield grapes, why did it yield wild grapes? (5) And now I will tell you what I will do to my vineyard. I will remove its hedge, and it shall be devoured; I will break down its wall, and it shall be trampled down. (6) I will make it a waste; it shall not be pruned or hoed, and briers and thorns shall grow up; I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain upon it. (7) For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah are his pleasant planting; and he looked for justice, but behold, bloodshed; for righteousness, but behold, an outcry!Genesis 3:17-19 ESV And to Adam he said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, 'You shall not eat of it,' cursed is the ground because of you; in pain you shall eat of it all the days of your life; (18) thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you; and you shall eat the plants of the field. (19) By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return."Revelation 1:17-18 ESV When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, "Fear not, I am the first and the last, (18) and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.
 

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Before this even starts Genesis 4:1 Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, “I have acquired a man from the LORD.”Genesis 4:1 clearly and unarguably throws out the serpent seed.
Unequivocally and indubitably. Well spoken.
 

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So you ignore Genesis 3:15?
Nope.Bere'shyt G:YH ve'eyvah 'ashit beynka uveyn ha'ishah uveyn zar`aka uveyn zar`ah hu' yeshufka ro'sh ve'atah teshufenu `aqev:We can review this at great length if necessary, however there is nothing here which indicates otherwise. Thus, Genesis 4:1 as put forth by Letsgofishing is valid.
 

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So you ignore Genesis 3:15?
Nope.Bere'shyt G:YH ve'eyvah 'ashit beynka uveyn ha'ishah uveyn zar`aka uveyn zar`ah hu' yeshufka ro'sh ve'atah teshufenu `aqev:We can review this at great length if necessary, however there is nothing here which indicates otherwise. Thus, Genesis 4:1 as put forth by Letsgofishing is valid.That Adam's first son is Cain? Incorrect. The word seed in Genesis 3:15 is clearly means descendant. So Satan has a seedline that wanted to kill Christ.
 

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you are clearly confused, this prophecy is not about Eve and Satan, it is about Mary and Satan.christians have recognized since the first century that the woman and her seed of Genesis 3:15 do not simply stand for Eve and one of her righteous sons, such as Abel or Seth. They prophetically foreshadow Mary and Jesus. The first half of the verse (speaking of the enmity between the serpent and the woman) has been applied to Mary, and so the second half (speaking of the crushed head and heel striking) is applied of course to jesus.In other words man just fell, and God said to Satan I'm going to get mankind back, a beautiful prophecy which is disgraced by the serpant seed theory.
 

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So "thee seed" and "thy seed" is not to be literally interpreted while the rest of it is?
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So "thee seed" and "thy seed" is not to be literally interpreted while the rest of it is?
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Oh Denver, I just had to laugh, but it's SO true.(letsgofishing;52854)
you are clearly confused, this prophecy is not about Eve and Satan, it is about Mary and Satan.christians have recognized since the first century that the woman and her seed of Genesis 3:15 do not simply stand for Eve and one of her righteous sons, such as Abel or Seth. They prophetically foreshadow Mary and Jesus. The first half of the verse (speaking of the enmity between the serpent and the woman) has been applied to Mary, and so the second half (speaking of the crushed head and heel striking) is applied of course to jesus.In other words man just fell, and God said to Satan I'm going to get mankind back, a beautiful prophecy which is disgraced by the serpant seed theory.
It's your choice that you chose to believe in this junk, this lie of Satan. You won't be able to quote scriptures on Genesis 1, Genesis 2, Genesis 3 that is talking about Mary. You have about 0% chance.Besides I don't expect people to know anyway. I can only go to Him...
 

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The first half of the verse (speaking of the enmity between the serpent and the woman) has been applied to Mary
At first you will find it ridiculous but take a look at these versesHebrews 13:8 ESV Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.Hebrews 13:20 ESV Now may the God of peace who brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, the great shepherd of the sheep, by the blood of the eternal covenant,Zechariah 13:7 ESV "Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, against the man who stands next to me," declares the LORD of hosts. "Strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered; I will turn my hand against the little ones.So Adam could be the little ones, and the Serpent and Eve are the morning stars.
 

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In the creation story in Genesis 1, vegetation came on the third day and man coming on last on the sixth day. In the garden story however in Genesis 2, Adam came first before the vegetation.Eden StoryGenesis 2:5 ESV When no bush of the field was yet in the land and no small plant of the field had yet sprung up--for the LORD God had not caused it to rain on the land, and there was no man to work the ground,Genesis 2:6 ESV and a mist was going up from the land and was watering the whole face of the ground--Genesis 2:7 ESV then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.Genesis 2:8 ESV And the LORD God planted a garden in Eden, in the east, and there he put the man whom he had formed.Genesis 2:9 ESV And out of the ground the LORD God made to spring up every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.Creation StoryGenesis 1:11 ESV And God said, "Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, on the earth." And it was so.Genesis 1:12 ESV The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.Genesis 1:13 ESV And there was evening and there was morning, the third day.Genesis 1:26 ESV Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."Genesis 1:27 ESV So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.Genesis 1:28 ESV And God blessed them. And God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth."Genesis 1:29 ESV And God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food.Genesis 1:30 ESV And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food." And it was so.Genesis 1:31 ESV And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.
 

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In the creation story in Genesis 1, vegetation came on the third day and man coming on last on the sixth day. In the garden story however in Genesis 2, Adam came first before the vegetation.Eden StoryGenesis 2:5 ESV When no bush of the field was yet in the land and no small plant of the field had yet sprung up--for the LORD God had not caused it to rain on the land, and there was no man to work the ground,Genesis 2:6 ESV and a mist was going up from the land and was watering the whole face of the ground--Genesis 2:7 ESV then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.Genesis 2:8 ESV And the LORD God planted a garden in Eden, in the east, and there he put the man whom he had formed.Genesis 2:9 ESV And out of the ground the LORD God made to spring up every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.Creation StoryGenesis 1:11 ESV And God said, "Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, on the earth." And it was so.Genesis 1:12 ESV The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.Genesis 1:13 ESV And there was evening and there was morning, the third day.Genesis 1:26 ESV Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."Genesis 1:27 ESV So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.Genesis 1:28 ESV And God blessed them. And God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth."Genesis 1:29 ESV And God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food.Genesis 1:30 ESV And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food." And it was so.Genesis 1:31 ESV And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.
Your first two sentences contradict themselves. Which came first? Men came on the sixth day (Genesis 1:26-28) and Vegetation came on the third day. (Genesis 1:11-13) But Adam and Eve existed after men was created. (Genesis 2:7, Genesis 2:21-23) Trees are symbolic in Genesis 2 and Genesis 3.
 

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Your first two sentences contradict themselves. Which came first? Men came on the sixth day (Genesis 1:26-28) and Vegetation came on the third day. (Genesis 1:11-13) But Adam and Eve existed after men was created. (Genesis 2:7, Genesis 2:21-23) Trees are symbolic in Genesis 2 and Genesis 3.
But we both agree Jag that the two chapters aren't literal, right? Take note of Genesis 1:26, it says God made man in His own image while in Genesis 3:10, Adam was naked.
 

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Your first two sentences contradict themselves. Which came first? Men came on the sixth day (Genesis 1:26-28) and Vegetation came on the third day. (Genesis 1:11-13) But Adam and Eve existed after men was created. (Genesis 2:7, Genesis 2:21-23) Trees are symbolic in Genesis 2 and Genesis 3.
But we both agree Jag that the two chapters aren't literal, right? Take note of Genesis 1:26, it says God made man in His own image while in Genesis 3:10, Adam was naked.What's your point? It doesn't prove that Adam existed on the 6th day. As Adam was a farmer, while the sixth day people are likely to be hunters.
 

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What's your point? It doesn't prove that Adam existed on the 6th day. As Adam was a farmer, while the sixth day people are likely to be hunters.
I think one of the three is humanity, Adam and Eve and the Serpent. If you said Adam couldn't be humanity, then Eve would be humanity, it's probable because the church is the wife of the Lamb. But Sophia (Wisdom) is feminine, and the suffering on the cross could be circumcision or pain of childbirth (Romans 2:29).
 

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What's your point? It doesn't prove that Adam existed on the 6th day. As Adam was a farmer, while the sixth day people are likely to be hunters.
I think one of the three is humanity, Adam and Eve and the Serpent. If you said Adam couldn't be humanity, then Eve would be humanity, it's probable because the church is the wife of the Lamb. But Sophia (Wisdom) is feminine, and the suffering on the cross could be circumcision or pain of childbirth (Romans 2:29).I will never say Adam was not human. Of course he is human. Adam was a special man for Christ to come through. As for the Serpent, that Serpent is no human or a snake, but rather Satan, the fallen archangel.Satan whose name is Lucifer does mean morning star. (Isaiah 14:12) But the Wiched is not my Morning Star. Christ is. (Revelation 22:16)Eve is Adam's wife, for she committed a sin before she had sex with Adam. No, Eve did not eat an apple...
 

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mightybear thats about the weirest bible Ive ever seen:) and yes Eden is lieral and happened just as it is stated promblem is few can get away from their Sunday school teachings to understand what it says.And when you start to see the problems with the fairy tales of men. You realize something is amiss so that would lead one to possiably draw a wrong conclusion that its not literal. But it is.
 

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What's your point? It doesn't prove that Adam existed on the 6th day. As Adam was a farmer, while the sixth day people are likely to be hunters.
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But we both agree Jag that the two chapters aren't literal, right? Take note of Genesis 1:26, it says God made man in His own image while in Genesis 3:10, Adam was naked.
Just for clarification Jag Genesis 1:26 was talking about human beings, it says in His image because God was going to reveal Himself in a form of a man named Jesus Christ.