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Thought you commented back and I read it. Did I imagine it? o_O ...where do it go?

Mary’s virginity. Always the debate. What about the virgin the children of God are born of ...the virgin set apart from the world, untouched by the world? The womb the children of God are born of? The miracle of new birth. The virgins of Revelation...is this not the ‘virgin’ in focus? The virgin which is above and not of this world?
So, dunno if you're still following here, but yes, definitely. This would have been "Athena" to them in that era, and what we maybe don't see at our remove is that the NT authors used this perspective intentionally, to tie them together; or at least that is the premise here

Iow "the virgin" means something diff to us than it would have to them. And we're getting way ahead of my plan here, bc the author's perspectives on "Mary" are going to be hard to contemplate for us...cultists, who are only fam with our "Christian" folklore
 
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Unless we look within ourselves and submit to Christ, we are just pointing fingers and eating the same BS in a different setting.
I say we are cultists bc you follow Apollos, and I follow Abarim, etc, on the merits anyway. Meaning no offense, ok, but for example what is your current definition of "eternal?" might clarify why I say that, bam insert "pope" if you prefer, idc, it is going to amount to the same guy. Prolly even get a straight answer from you lol, that would certainly be refreshing.

What does "Eternal" mean to you, Aspen? Does it mean "forever?"
 
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So, dunno if you're still following here, but yes, definitely. This would have been "Athena" to them in that era, and what we maybe don't see at our remove is that the NT authors used this perspective intentionally, to tie them together; or at least that is the premise here

Iow "the virgin" means something diff to us than it would have to them. And we're getting way ahead of my plan here, bc the author's perspectives on "Mary" are going to be hard to contemplate for us...cultists, who are only fam with our "Christian" folklore

Still following. To be honest I’m not real familiar with the history of Rome or folklore which I’m sure I follow and don’t even know it. The main reason I responded was because you always give my threads a chance and participate. Wanted to do the same for you but Mary was about the only contribution I could make. She was definitely called blessed as are all who conceive a miracle birth given of God and carry it in a natural body. Don’t want to offend but it wouldn’t really throw a wrench in anything for me if someone proves Mary wasn’t a virgin. Don’t think that is the end-all but rather through the birth of Spiritual children given of God...the woman is saved. That birth men and women alike “are blessed” with comes from God and man can’t tamper with what comes from above.

I think you said “a slave becomes a servant”?
 

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Still following. To be honest I’m not real familiar with the history of Rome or folklore which I’m sure I follow and don’t even know it. The main reason I responded was because you always give my threads a chance and participate. Wanted to do the same for you but Mary was about the only contribution I could make. She was definitely called blessed as are all who conceive a miracle birth given of God and carry it in a natural body. Don’t want to offend but it wouldn’t really throw a wrench in anything for me if someone proves Mary wasn’t a virgin. Don’t think that is the end-all but rather through the birth of Spiritual children given of God...the woman is saved. That birth men and women alike “are blessed” with comes from God and man can’t tamper with what comes from above.

I think you said “a slave becomes a servant”?
Hmm, he may have, that isn't something I generally say? But the heir is no better than a servant while he is a child is a reflection there maybe. Of course "slave" is used elsewhere in a diff light too, and don't we all desire to be the master of all? :)
So fwiw I suggest that the heir will read that v differently as they um become the master,
Matthew 20:27 Lexicon: and whoever wishes to be first among you shall be your slave;
 
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Don’t want to offend but it wouldn’t really throw a wrench in anything for me if someone proves Mary wasn’t a virgin.
Ah well fwiw Mary has to be a virgin imo, and I even get the "virgin for life" perspective of the Greeks (that Romans adopted) now, although to me that is irrelevant bc literal, leads to their Athena "worship" etc., which I guess we would have done as Greeks too, or at least I would have. Athena was the best illustration they had of God back then I guess.

I guess the Greeks even accepted "the virgin will be with child" in a way the Romans could not, as that would be to admit that Rome would be superseded, even if only "someday."
 
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Ah well fwiw Mary has to be a virgin imo, and I even get the "virgin for life" perspective of the Greeks (that Romans adopted) now, although to me that is irrelevant bc literal, leads to their Athena "worship" etc., which I guess we would have done as Greeks too, or at least I would have. Athena was the best illustration they had of God back then I guess.

I guess the Greeks even accepted "the virgin will be with child" in a way the Romans could not, as that would be to admit that Rome would be superseded, even if only "someday."

Haven’t studied all the different beliefs; up until a couple of years ago was in my small corner of the world doing nothing waiting on the rapture.

Which virginity is necessary for Mary to have been? Set apart as a handmaiden for God ...or literal never with a man? I’m not sure which you mean is necessary? Would not dispute that Mary wasn’t never with a man, only that it reveals being set apart from the world for God.
 

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Haven’t studied all the different beliefs; up until a couple of years ago was in my small corner of the world doing nothing waiting on the rapture.
sounds fam, I was sequestered myself
Which virginity is necessary for Mary to have been? Set apart as a handmaiden for God ...or literal never with a man? I’m not sure which you mean is necessary? Would not dispute that Mary wasn’t never with a man, only that it reveals being set apart from the world for God.
so yes, that one then, the same one Athena was meant to rep iow, although we are taught differently i guess. The premise being that we blame Athena for this rather than Rome, who adopted and corrupted "her."
 
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"
Much of our intuitive and folkloristic understanding of the Bible comes from the traditional church, which is a post-Constantinian Roman institution and has nothing to do with the gospel of Jesus Christ and everything with Roman Imperialism. Subsequently, the traditional church has had very little reason to preserve or even reflect the concerns of the Bible authors, and has always been nearly wholly invested in forwarding the pagan models that keeps flocks conveniently fearful and compliant.

The whore on seven hills


Since its much lamented fall from natural glory at the end of the Bronze Age, in the century of Christ the world's government had slumped the lowest. The non-centralized but highly advanced worlds of the Celts and the Phoenicians had been destroyed, millions or its people slaughtered and its territories turned to waste lands. The democratic experiment of Athens and even Rome's ancient senate (or curia) had failed. Rome's Republic too had become unstable and greedy generals such as Pompey and Julius Caesar had turned it into a tyranny. A milestone in primitivity was reached when Octavian became Emperor Augustus and the suffocated Republic was resurrected as Empire: a governmental zombie without a soul and a true horror; the world's first fascist state.

The Roman Empire was a death machine in which only one man was always right and everybody else a slave. Men were constricted into uniforms and poised into legions, where they were made to obey remote masters (Ephesians 6:12) and serve the currencies of terror and coercion. The world became a vortex that directed mankind's proceeds to Rome where it was converted into concrete and madness by millions of slaves, many of whom died of abuse or suicide. The city of Rome became the greatest altar of human sacrifice the world had ever seen and the death toll among civilians was so high that a continuous stream of fresh citizens was required just to keep its squalor going. The individual counted for nothing and the masses were entertained with death and ignorance. The higher up the social ladder, the more in line with the structure of tyranny one had to be, the more noble one was deemed, and the more one could count on the system's protective machine: the police and judicial courts...
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From whom do you cut and paste?

Curious Mary
 

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made clear twice already miss "curious" mog, or you could of course copy any snip and just ask Google if you were in fact "curious" wadr.

What is the diff in flies and bees, iyo?
What are demons, and how to get rid of them?
buzzed off, have you? Sure you wouldn't like to explore how to get rid of demons real quick?
bc it's amazing, works every single time!
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God is awesome lol.
And my apologies ok miss mog? IRL I would of course just ignore you like I'm sure everyone else does already, but in a forum I guess/hope some allowances must be made. I hold no grudges here ok, I know you're just trying to make more good little fascists.
 
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Flies and bees; daimia and words
A daimonion is any kind of information that separates a human host from mankind's unified mental ecosphere, and the key-word is separation. (One could also express this as "moving away," or even "departing")

Consider flies and bees. When viewed individually, a bee and a fly are really rather similar — they are of similar size and have similar bodies that work pretty much the same way. But when we include their social behavior, their differences are enormous:

from the link in 29, my parenthesis.
some great stuff on Logos in there too, wow
 

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I say we are cultists bc you follow Apollos, and I follow Abarim, etc, on the merits anyway. Meaning no offense, ok, but for example what is your current definition of "eternal?" might clarify why I say that, bam insert "pope" if you prefer, idc, it is going to amount to the same guy. Prolly even get a straight answer from you lol, that would certainly be refreshing.

What does "Eternal" mean to you, Aspen? Does it mean "forever?"

IMO, eternal means existence without change. Existence with God as we are created to be; perfect lovers and therefore sinless.
 

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Haven’t studied all the different beliefs; up until a couple of years ago was in my small corner of the world doing nothing waiting on the rapture.

Which virginity is necessary for Mary to have been? Set apart as a handmaiden for God ...or literal never with a man? I’m not sure which you mean is necessary? Would not dispute that Mary wasn’t never with a man, only that it reveals being set apart from the world for God.
The scripture is clear. One does not need to go to great lengths as Rome does to make something simple appear as if it is complex..... Foolishness that masquerades as wisdom is the home of fools....... Again, the scripture is clear and a familiarity with it, a seeking and uplifted heart will dispel the sophism that is Rome's hallmark.
 

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ViJ...are you familiar with this story?
 

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so you say, yes. imo this is addressed in para 1, iow we have a "folklore" understanding right now, and it will be further and repetitively addressed throughout the text too I guess.

For instance do you know where the term "Lord" comes from? Why even question the choice of such a term, right?
and die they did, Wc, as the text makes plain. If you would like to dispute any of the assertions made i'm open

Yes I know where 'Lord' in the bible comes from. As God knows by the Spirit living in us, he knows what we mean when addressing him, so words or names can be vague.

No the ordinary people didn't die, as they didn't rebel. Oh they might riot or be manipulated into rioting for political advantage, but as romans they were rebelling.
It was Christians who defied social conventions, who changed how people lived, viewed life/morality etc.

They applied to the provinces as well. People like you and me were too buisy making a living, they had no real influence in politics, far less then we have today and they rebelled when manipulated by a leader to revolt or provoked by some act by the romans.
 

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IMO, eternal means existence without change. Existence with God as we are created to be; perfect lovers and therefore sinless.
Hmm. Last night I was studying Saul of Tarsus, the man, the enigma iow, and I'm minded of I find nothing in him worthy of death, said here of a second Ish who was...I don't know any other way to say it, as guilty and wanted in his world as Jesus was in His. Marked for death, even apparently seeking it, yet deemed innocent by...well, at least the Romans, both times.

Saul killed Jewish Christians--as near as I can tell "Christian" right then meant "a Jew who wanted the Davidic throne restored," not like...ha well I guess exactly like us, huh, but anyway the point there was he was sanctioned to do that, yet the Sanhedrin could not rid themselves of Jesus nor him supposedly without Rome's blessing...and that's just the tip of the iceberg here.

Not sure why that sprung to mind here lol, and I'm def not ready to discuss that yet, something about "existence without change" + ...don't take this wrong ok but the adroit sidestepping there, I guess. Ok ty
 

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Yes I know where 'Lord' in the bible comes from. As God knows by the Spirit living in us, he knows what we mean when addressing him, so words or names can be vague.
I'm minded now of Jesus' change of address to Father, and then God here. Hmm.
No the ordinary people didn't die, as they didn't rebel. Oh they might riot or be manipulated into rioting for political advantage, but as romans they were rebelling.
It was Christians who defied social conventions, who changed how people lived, viewed life/morality etc.

They applied to the provinces as well. People like you and me were too buisy making a living, they had no real influence in politics, far less then we have today and they rebelled when manipulated by a leader to revolt or provoked by some act by the romans.
well, maybe, I can't really say or dispute that. The populace was decimated nonetheless I guess
 

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The scripture is clear.
Ha whenever I see this it gives me pause, and I prolly say it five times a day lol. All are decieved is what now comes to mind. Also sense and nonsense, scribes, and speaking in tongues

In this context I notice that we can't even seem to agree how many women were under the cross? So, not to detract from a likely good point, but I'm sure you would also agree that wisdom is hidden from the wise

and great story imo, but if possible I'd like to ask that we avoid the rcc specifically as much as possible here, as the truth about Rome is prolly um flammable enough?
 
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Gosh Byrd, i didn't think you fell for all that anti Catholic stuff....

I guess pointing at the largest target is satisfying on some level....it makes it easy to pretend that the problems of humanity, which are magnified more and more as groups grow in number, are really due to corruption by outside forces like demons and Satan; however, as we all know, people are their own worst enemy and have the capacity to sow rot and corruption within the shadows of large institutions like the Vatican and within house churches. The Catholic Church attempts to hide in broad daylight; Protestants, in the anonymity of small, independent splinter groups; both shelter anitchristians in different ways and for different reasons.

Like I have stated in the past; our solutions to human failure and corruption can be illustrated in this analogy:

“Wow all this processed food is causing major health problems! It is killing us! I know what we can do about it.....let’s have a picnic!”

Unless we look within ourselves and submit to Christ, we are just pointing fingers and eating the same BS in a different setting.
Hmm. Last night I was studying Saul of Tarsus, the man, the enigma iow, and I'm minded of I find nothing in him worthy of death, said here of a second Ish who was...I don't know any other way to say it, as guilty and wanted in his world as Jesus was in His. Marked for death, even apparently seeking it, yet deemed innocent by...well, at least the Romans, both times.

Saul killed Jewish Christians--as near as I can tell "Christian" right then meant "a Jew who wanted the Davidic throne restored," not like...ha well I guess exactly like us, huh, but anyway the point there was he was sanctioned to do that, yet the Sanhedrin could not rid themselves of Jesus nor him supposedly without Rome's blessing...and that's just the tip of the iceberg here.

Not sure why that sprung to mind here lol, and I'm def not ready to discuss that yet, something about "existence without change" + ...don't take this wrong ok but the adroit sidestepping there, I guess. Ok ty

You asked for my definition of eternity - existence without change, which is the perfect current moment. Where is the side step?
 

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You asked for my definition of eternity - existence without change, which is the perfect current moment. Where is the side step?
oh, at "does it = forever," but idc really Aspen, don't want to debate it anymore.
what do you lack in the moment? Not that I don't empathize with the perspective of course