Preacher4Truth
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Amen! God is free and does as he wills, they have God in chains, subjected to their will and whims.
Calvinism is a Cult
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False. You are the ones trying to define God in your image.
No chains. God does what he wishes. And his wish is freewill.
It will all be completed in eternity. Those who are God's will be with him for eternity. Those that are not will be in the lake.
That sounds too much like Universalism. Would you care to elaborate what you mean by that?
Finney?
You know it!
Finney (who is not our Lord and Saviour but an effective preacher of His good news) preached not himself but Jesus Christ as Lord, and himself our servant for Jesus' sake.
SovereignGrace
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Preacher4Truth
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Yes, it is. He said something like it was like choosing between being an attorney or doctor, or two differing careers.
He also lamented the FACT that of those he told were converted there were very few if any who remained with the LORD.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
And you, like all hyper-Calvinist sacrifice God’s character for His sovereignty, James
SovereignGrace
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Wrong. We’re not hypers at all. Another false accusation slung at us.
Preacher4Truth
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Oh, our hyper-armian and hyper-anti-Calvinist friends believe that according to Romans 1 some will be saved due to light given them, without the gospel.
But the text doesn't suggest such a thing, yet they believe it. That would be the same end as hyper-calvinism, and both are false.
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aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
God does all the saving and people are whining about it. Lol!!!
Saving? All the people? Who needs saving? The sheep? They are already destined for Heaven.....and the goats - who cares about them; they are damned anyway
Talk about taking the power away from the cross!
IMO you need to stop molesting the goats! This is the closest they get to Heaven - time to eat, drink, and be merry!
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
SovereignGrace
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Alrighty...Bullies? What you smoking Bruh?
Okay, lets look at this through God's immutability. John 3:16 "For God so loved the world...."
Now, your side of this debate states that world means 'everybody w/o exception' and that is all that means. So, if you're right, then how can God love everybody w/o exception and David mischaracterizes God when he wrote The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes; You hate all who do iniquity.[Psalm 5:5] Then Solomon wrote 16 There are six things which the LORD hates, Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, And hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness who utters lies, And one who spreads strife among brothers.[Proverbs 6] We can clearly see that God does hate the wicked, so 'world' can not mean God loves 'everybody w/o exception' Bruh.
Now, on the day of Judgment, there will be many who stand before His Son who will render a guilty verdict and cast them head long into the lake of fire. God, being immutable, He either casts those He loves into that eternal lake of fire, or He no longer loves them, changes that love for them to hatred, and then becomes mutable. So which is it, Bruh? God loves them who will reside in an eternal lake of fire? He becomes mutable and turns from loving them to hating them? Which is it Bruh? It can't be both.
Then we can also read "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”[John 3:36] And there is also For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,[Romans 1:18] Then there are vessels of wrath in Romans 9. The objects of wrath and the objects of mercy were in the same lump(Adam), and God took the vessels of mercy out of this same lump and left the vessels of mercy in their already fallen state. Clearly God wraths abides on those outside of the Christ, as being outside of Him is to be outside of His love.
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SovereignGrace
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The sheep were the children of wrath prior to being saved, Bruh. Ephesians 2:3 clearly teaches that. The Christ came to save His sheep, His ppl, from their sins.[Matthew 1:21, John 10:10, John 10:15, Ephesians 5:25]
When did Bro become Bruh? I must be getting old(er).
Hos 9:15, All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.
Here, God hated a group of people and later says that He will love them no more.
So not only can God cease to love those whom He loves, but He can love those whom He hates.
You people will probably not see it however; because it is clearly set before you.
Here, God hated a group of people and later says that He will love them no more.
So not only can God cease to love those whom He loves, but He can love those whom He hates.
You people will probably not see it however; because it is clearly set before you.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Bruh? I hope it is ok that I don’t surf....
Why would the elect need saving? They are elect, right?
SovereignGrace
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SovereignGrace
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28 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. 29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.[Romans 8]
This is what is commonly referred to as the 'golden chain of redemption.' Notice you can see foreknowledge, predestination, election, effectual calling, justification, and glorification is this little passage. The ordo salutis of salvation. All who He foreknew(this can not mean His omniscience, as He knows everybody who will ever have existed, but His divine foreknowledge, as omniscience and foreknowledge are not the same thing), He predestined. These He predestined, He called. These He called He justified, which is being made righteous in the sight of God by the imputed righteousness of the Christ.[2 Corinthians 5:21] And these He justified He also glorified. Now, this can not be everybody, seeing many will die eternally severed from the love of God for all eternity.
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aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
SovereignGrace
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We do not know who the sheep and goats are, so we proclaim the gospel to everyone we can.
I noticed you are exactly one day older than me, as I was born May 1, 1971.
Hi there 'gramps'.
Just kidding my friend.Similar threads
