Is Faith in Jesus Faith to Keep the Law?

GerhardEbersoehn · Mar 1, 2019

Christiaan Gerhardus Ebersöhn
The nearer Christ brings me to Him the more I realise from how far He has to fetch me and that it never is from nearer.

GerhardEbersoehn · Mar 1, 2019

marks said:
Perjoratives instead of evidence. And I'm curious, what do you find about my post to be flippant?
You've pointed to an error I made, I acknowledged it, and corrected myself. Is that so unheard of?

You provided the evidence upon which I need not and cannot improve.

GerhardEbersoehn · Mar 2, 2019

mjrhealth said:
Is that what you really think of Jesus, a religion, Salvation is by faith, not mens religions

That's your religion.

bbyrd009 · Mar 2, 2019

marks said:
I'm sure you are right!

Romans 4:14-16
14 For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, 15 because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression. 16 Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all.

Much love!
Mark

BTW . . . wasn't the "standard" met by Jesus?

If you like, sure, you can do that, but I suggest that the Priest and the Levite passing by on the other side of the road did the same thing. Another way to put that is that the term "law" is not well defined in our English Bibles, although the original terms in the Lex clarify them.

Fortunately we have other Scripture, and you would essentially have to maintain that you have no sin, and you don't have to confess your sins one to another, and etc.

So now I'll flip and tell you that you certainly can believe you have no sin if you like, and that you do not have to ever confess any sin to me, and I will do my best to forgive you anyway; I will forgive you. Wadr just like I might do with any child, see? But see also that my forgiveness is not going to protect that kid from the consequences, which cannot help but manifest, I will in the future not be put in that position again with that kid, which means essentially that he has now burned a bridge so to speak, or I might say that he is "dead" to me

Don't be deceived, little children

marks · Mar 2, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
If you like, sure, you can do that, but I suggest that the Priest and the Levite passing by on the other side of the road did the same thing. Another way to put that is that the term "law" is not well defined in our English Bibles, although the original terms in the Lex clarify them.

Fortunately we have other Scripture, and you would essentially have to maintain that you have no sin, and you don't have to confess your sins one to another, and etc.

So now I'll flip and tell you that you certainly can believe you have no sin if you like, and that you do not have to ever confess any sin to me, and I will do my best to forgive you anyway; I will forgive you. Wadr just like I might do with any child, see? But see also that my forgiveness is not going to protect that kid from the consequences, which cannot help but manifest, I will in the future not be put in that position again with that kid, which means essentially that he has now burned a bridge so to speak, or I might say that he is "dead" to me

Don't be deceived, little children

If I like, I can do what?

I don't think you are understanding what I am saying. I certainly don't understand what you are saying. And why are you so anxious to "take my confession"?

But what exactly are you forgiving? Are you saying I've sinned against you? If so, do please forgive! But what, may I ask, was my sin?

Much love!
Mark

marks · Mar 2, 2019

GerhardEbersoehn said:
You provided the evidence upon which I need not and cannot improve.

And you are certainly free to supply the perjoratives!

You need no apology.

But why, why is it, that these discussions almost invariably turn personal? Why do so many seem to feel the need to do that? How does that improve the discussion? How does that reveal Christ?

Is that what results from faith in Jesus? What Law are you keeping?

Anyone?

Much love!
Mark

bbyrd009 · Mar 2, 2019

marks said:
If I like, I can do what?

I don't thing you are understanding what I am saying. I certainly don't understand what you are saying. And why are you so anxious to "take my confession"?

But wahat exactly are you forgiving? Are you saying I've sinned against you? If so, do please forgive! But what, may I ask, was my sin?

Much love!
Mark

Ah, sorry, that was not really for you, it was for someone else

marks · Mar 2, 2019

GerhardEbersoehn said:
You provided the evidence upon which I need not and cannot improve.

I might add, this is non-responsive. No acknowledgement or denial of perjoratives or that intent. No answers to my questions. Just another veiled comment . . . well, you know.

Much love!
Mark

marks · Mar 2, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
Ah, sorry, that was not really for you, it was for someone else

OK, thank you!

GerhardEbersoehn · Mar 2, 2019

marks said:
If I like, I can do what?

I don't thing you are understanding what I am saying. I certainly don't understand what you are saying. And why are you so anxious to "take my confession"?

But wahat exactly are you forgiving? Are you saying I've sinned against you? If so, do please forgive! But what, may I ask, was my sin?

Much love!
Mark

I have done.

mjrhealth · Mar 2, 2019

GerhardEbersoehn said:
That's your religion.

Luk 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

No, there is no religion that is like Faith in Christ, religion doesnt even come close...

GerhardEbersoehn · Mar 3, 2019

mjrhealth said:
No, there is no religion that is like Faith in Christ, religion doesnt even come close...

And there's your religion again.

Helen · Mar 3, 2019

marks said:
Do you mean my crap and crowing roostership?

I'm sorry I offend you so!

Much love!
Mark

Hey my friend.
None of these people are as easily offended as you may think.
And more than most firmly believe that how "they" see and believe things , is how it is and must be!!

You are doing well brother.
I enjoy your posts...and greatly appreciate your gentle spirit.

And, don't forget. We have MANY legalist in the membership here!!!

Helen · Mar 3, 2019

marks said:
Perjoratives instead of evidence. And I'm curious, what do you find about my post to be flippant?

You've pointed to an error I made, I acknowledged it, and corrected myself. Is that so unheard of?

Much love!
Mark

I stopped writing or responding to him months ago...it is fruitless, he is always the same.

Helen · Mar 3, 2019

GerhardEbersoehn said:
The Law also cannot make me a sinner, I am one of myself and so are you.

Wrong
Romans 4 "...for where no law is, there is no transgression."

Rom 5:13 " .... but sin is not imputed when there is no law."

Jesus Christ came to fulfil the law...and He DID what He came here to do...redeem mankind.
"God saw the travail of His soul and was satisfied.." Isa 53

But I have always found that writing to you as pointless....you are hardly ever polite to anyone.

GerhardEbersoehn · Mar 3, 2019

"ByGrace" said:
Hey my friend.
None of these people are as easily offended as you may think.
And more than most firmly believe that how "they" see and believe things , is how it is and must be!!

You are doing well brother.
I enjoy your posts...and greatly appreciate your gentle spirit.

And, don't forget. We have MANY legalist in the membership here!!!

...and many true legalists who, insulting God's Word and intelligence itself, boast themselves 'better' by the weak and beggarly standards of their pretentiously less offensive law-of-SELF.

GerhardEbersoehn · Mar 3, 2019

"ByGrace" said:
Wrong
Romans 4 "...for where no law is, there is no transgression."

Rom 5:13 " .... but sin is not imputed when there is no law."

Jesus Christ came to fulfil the law...and He DID what He came here to do...redeem mankind.
"God saw the travail of His soul and was satisfied.." Isa 53

But I have always found that writing to you as pointless....you are hardly ever polite to anyone.

See what I mean.

GerhardEbersoehn · Mar 3, 2019

"ByGrace" said:
I stopped writing or responding to him months ago...it is fruitless, he is always the same.

Thanks. I seldom receive acknowledgement, but as you see, sometimes I do. I wonder why, now?

Helen · Mar 3, 2019

GerhardEbersoehn said:
See what I mean.

No...so enlighten me ?

GerhardEbersoehn · Mar 3, 2019

"ByGrace" said:
No...so enlighten me ?

No...nothing in it for me to try enlighten you.

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