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fwiw you might flip those around, even if just for contemplations' sake. Prolly fungible anyway
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101G
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no need to mean well, read the scriptures,
Genesis 5:1 "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
Genesis 5:2 "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created”.
here, the term Adam is,
H120 אָדָם 'adam (aw-dawm') n-m.
ruddy i.e. a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.).
[from H119]
KJV: X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person.
Root(s): H119
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well now I gotta ask why you were just separating what God has joined I guess G, I mean which is it, you have just proved my point here?
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101G
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It's wonderful to think that Divine purposes in redemption continue to be carried out by Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It can be a good exercise to trace this through the middle chapters of John's Gospel and in John's First Epistle, Romans 8, etc.
Anyone can study, my friend, but without the Holy Spirit who is able to rightly divide? Who is able to discern the truth of God in the scriptures?
Paul writes advising of the need to study, but if a person studies, thereby obeying God [presuming that Paul speaks God's Word here] but does it for the wrong purpose...?
"Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts." James 4:3
Our own lusts remind people often of the improper lust of physical flesh, but do not many people lust to be on top of the heap the answers that people want to hear... as opposed to what they, according to God, need?
This is why, even though Paul wrote II Tim 2:15-16, what Solomon wrote in Ecc 12:12 is still in the Book. What Solomon wrote 1,000 years earlier still applies to the natural/carnal man when he is NOT in the Holy Spirit or led by the Holy Spirit. Most followers of Jesus [Christians?] are NOT continuously 24/7 walking the Spirit. How many really are?
Worship does indeed need to be done reverently, 'in Spirit and in truth' (John 4.24).
I received exactly the same revelation on that verse many years ago. While I have shared it with others as you have, so often the ears to hear are simply not there.
If a Christian studies the bible, doesn't that include the Holy Spirit giving them understanding?
Herein is the necessity of God's balance. Most everyone with any real truth [whatever that is?], receives both the flesh and Spirit in some measure, but very many will emphasize moving ahead on one while allowing the other to lapse. This likely we see in the churches [not Church] around us.
The one will pursue and press hard for the "gully washer" type service where everyone is tongue talking and dancing and running in the Spirit, but none, or nearly none, are really touching the Word of God. For them it has often become a spiritual exercise but with no Word...?
On the other hand, there are some few very good Bible study services or meetings where they really get into the Bible, but they also miss the Word of God because it has become an intellectual exercise.
"A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight." Prov 11:1
"A just weight and balance are the Lord's: all the weights of the bag are his work." Prov 16:11
By Christian, of course, you mean a real follower of Jesus, but do real followers of Jesus ever stumble? Do they ever quench the Holy Spirit? If a real person of faith acts without first checking in with God, he may find himself like the unnamed prophet come out of Judah to Jeroboam in the north... as a dead man never finding his way back home. [See I Kings 13]
Not if they walk in the Spirit. You seem to be shying away from the scriptures as a kid from medicine.
Read more carefully, Dave! I read my Bible in three languages every day, seven days a week and have done so for years. Does that sound like I am shying away from the scriptures?
BARNEY BRIGHT
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first thanks for the reply, what we said was scriptures, and yet you still not believe the scriptures. if you're waiting for someone to convince you, that you're wrong, you will be waiting a long time. it's not the responsibility of someone else to convince you of anything, but only try to persuade you by the scriptures the "TRUTH. when someone is in the convincing work, that's God, because when one get to that point, "until God himself tell, or show me I will not believe. see that's not my work...us, 2 Corinthians 5:11 "Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences". but that's up to "Y O U".
so when I hear someone make that statement, "I will not change what I believe until someone has convinced me according to the scriptures that I'm wrong". no one but God can do that. Titus 3:10 "A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
Titus 3:11 "Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself".
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You say it's not the responsibility of someone else to convince me of anything but instead it's to try and persuade by the scriptures the truth. The problem with what you said here is that the word persuade and convince are synonyms so mean the exact same thing. Then you bring up 2 Corinthians 5:11 to prove your point but actually you just proved my point, and the scriptures agree with me. If God is in the convincing work and we are supposed to be like God, then we should be using the scriptures to convince people of the truth.
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That's what I'm taking about. I gave you 3 scriptures to read and you didn't read them or you don't understand them, so you give me Narrow is the way, which you sound like you don't understand that scripture either. Now go back and read them scriptures, so you can know the PLAN of GOD and become excited about what God has already done and what He is going to do in the future.
Exactly... then the next verse (Romans 8:21) says, Because the creation itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. Looks like God has a winning plan to me. What did God create?
101G
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first thanks for the reply, convince and persuade,
persuade: cause (someone) to do something through reasoning or argument.
convince: cause (someone) to believe firmly in the truth of something.
we hope you can see the diffrence... (smile).
the proof? read the definitions again above,
we persuade, you believe... (smile), that's the point. but, Romans 10:14 "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Romans 10:15 "And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Romans 10:16 "But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God".
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101G
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first thanks for the reply, second, God always wins.
Revelation 21:1 "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea".
Revelation 21:5 "And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful".
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