JESUS, the Holy Spirit, the Only True God.

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ATTENTION, to all trinitarians.

another enlighment for you. yes, JESUS is YHWH, the LORD. now scripture,
Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men".

JESUS here in Philippians 2:6 is "being", or in continuance of the NATURE, which is the "FORM" of God .... SPIRIT. for FORM here is describing NATURE. and do you not say that the Father and the Son have the SAME "Nature", but are separate persons.

we want to zeero in on the NATURE itself. many say, one Nature, 3 person ... right... right.

now if the NATURE of JESUS, which is Spirit, is in that body, what part of the nature is the person called JESUS the son?. scripture please.

now if you say all of the Nature was in that body, we will have another question for you.

so by scripture what part of the Spirit, called the son was in that body. book chapter and verse please. now we ask you to read Philippians 2:6 again, and again for perfect clarity.

any trinitarian may answer.

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ATTENTION, to all trinitarians.

another enlighment for you. yes, JESUS is YHWH, the LORD. now scripture,
Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men".

JESUS here in Philippians 2:6 is "being", or in continuance of the NATURE, which is the "FORM" of God .... SPIRIT. for FORM here is describing NATURE. and do you not say that the Father and the Son have the SAME "Nature", but are separate persons.

we want to zeero in on the NATURE itself. many say, one Nature, 3 person ... right... right.

now if the NATURE of JESUS, which is Spirit, is in that body, what part of the nature is the person called JESUS the son?. scripture please.

now if you say all of the Nature was in that body, we will have another question for you.

so by scripture what part of the Spirit, called the son was in that body. book chapter and verse please. now we ask you to read Philippians 2:6 again, and again for perfect clarity.

any trinitarian may answer.

PICJAG.
You do not understand the difference between the Son of Man and the Son of God. The Chalcedon definition will explain it to you.

THE SYMBOL OF CHALCEDON

We, then, following the holy Fathers, all with one consent, teach men to confess one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, the same perfect in Godhead and also perfect in manhood; truly God and truly man, of a reasonable [rational] soul and body; consubstantial [coessential] with us according to the manhood; in all things like unto us, without sin; begotten before all ages of the Father according to the Godhead, and in these latter days, for us and for our salvation, born of the Virgin Mary, the mother of God, according to the Manhood; one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, Only-begotten, to be acknowledged in two natures, inconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably; the distinction of natures being by no means taken away by the union, but rather the property of each nature being preserved, and concurring in one person and one Subsistence, not parted or divided into two persons, but one and the same Son, and only begotten, God the Word, the Lord Jesus Christ, as the prophets from the beginning [have declared] concerning him, and the Lord Jesus Christ himself has taught us, and the Creed of the holy Fathers has handed down to us.
 

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You do not understand the difference between the Son of Man and the Son of God. The Chalcedon definition will explain it to you.

THE SYMBOL OF CHALCEDON

We, then, following the holy Fathers, all with one consent, teach men to confess one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, the same perfect in Godhead and also perfect in manhood; truly God and truly man, of a reasonable [rational] soul and body; consubstantial [coessential] with us according to the manhood; in all things like unto us, without sin; begotten before all ages of the Father according to the Godhead, and in these latter days, for us and for our salvation, born of the Virgin Mary, the mother of God, according to the Manhood; one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, Only-begotten, to be acknowledged in two natures, inconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably; the distinction of natures being by no means taken away by the union, but rather the property of each nature being preserved, and concurring in one person and one Subsistence, not parted or divided into two persons, but one and the same Son, and only begotten, God the Word, the Lord Jesus Christ, as the prophets from the beginning [have declared] concerning him, and the Lord Jesus Christ himself has taught us, and the Creed of the holy Fathers has handed down to us.
First thanks for the reply, second, "THE SYMBOL OF CHALCEDON", let's see how it stacks up aganist the Word of God.

ok dave who or what was begotten. you say the Father begot his only son, right. you posted, "begotten before all ages of the Father according to the Godhead, and in these latter days, for us and for our salvation, born of the Virgin Mary, the mother of God ". Mary, the Mother of God? well let's check the record.

the one who conceive a child is the Father right... right. scripture, Matthew 1:19 "Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost".

now if Mary is the Mother of God, (which she is not), then the Holy Spirit is the Father, for the scriptures clearly states he, the Holy Spirit conceived the child in Mary.

Now dave do you disagree with the scriptures, that the Holy Spirit is the Father.,yes or no.

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First thanks for the reply, second, "THE SYMBOL OF CHALCEDON", let's see how it stacks up aganist the Word of God.

ok dave who or what was begotten. you say the Father begot his only son, right. you posted, "begotten before all ages of the Father according to the Godhead, and in these latter days, for us and for our salvation, born of the Virgin Mary, the mother of God ". Mary, the Mother of God? well let's check the record.

the one who conceive a child is the Father right... right. scripture, Matthew 1:19 "Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost".

now if Mary is the Mother of God, (which she is not), then the Holy Spirit is the Father, for the scriptures clearly states he, the Holy Spirit conceived the child in Mary.

Now dave do you disagree with the scriptures, that the Holy Spirit is the Father.,yes or no.

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Is Jesus God in the flesh? Then Mary is his mother according to the flesh.
 

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Is Jesus God in the flesh? Then Mary is his mother according to the flesh.
GINOLJC, to all.

dave that's a rookie mistake. a woman cannot give birth to a spirit. she can only give birth to flesh and bone. a spirit is immeteral. what there to push aganist. all spirits, (that are in human flesh) are given by God. supportive scripture, Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein".

dave do you really know what a spirit is? from our point of view is "ABSTRACT"... lol. no physical woman can give birth to something that is abstract. did you not hear? listen. our spirit return to the one who give it..... God, who is a Spirit himself.... lol. man O man. ... oh well, got to get to people on their level of understanding.

Now according to the Flesh, Mary birth "FLESH" the son of God, not the son of man, which is spirit. let's check the record. "THE SON OF GOD", Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God". what was born? FLESH and Bone with Blood. supportive scripture, Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace". right there in the scriptures, a son is "GIVEN" not Born

now "THE SON OF MAN". John 8:42 "Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me".

now what do proceeded forth means here means, it's the Greek word,
G1831 ἐξέρχομαι exerchomai (ex-er'-cho-mai) v.
to issue. to depart (out of). spread abroad.

To "ISSUE" means to come, go, or flow out from. (that's why Jesus said he was "sent" or as in Ps 40:7 "I COME",
now here's a the revelation, another word for Issue, or is synonyms with ISSUE is "EMINATE", and what do emanate means? (of something abstract but perceptible) issue or spread out from (a source). did you get that dave? abstract but perceptible, lol man this is too easy. one cannot see a spirit, untill it manifest as.. or is perceptible in a form or body. this is just too easy.

so dave, the Lord Jesus did not "EMINATE" from Mary, but from his "OWN" Spirit which is the Source. so that "Mother of God" thing is a lie. a woman can only reproduce flesh. that which is flesh is flesh, and that's which is spirit is spirit.

now let us enlighten you with another REVELATION on "ISSUE" do you know what it is also synonyms with? answer, .... "ARM" ... lol. the "ARM" of God. scripture, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me". dave "WHO" is God own ARM?, not what is God Arm, but "WHO" is God OWN, OWN, ARM? (see Isaiah 53... LOL).

conclusion: no, Mary is not the Mother of the Lord Jesus, Mary is just a surrogate mother who birthed the body that our Lord and saviour came in, that's all. now get this, she only birthed ... bare grain.... :eek: that's right, bare grain.... see 1 Corinthians 15:35-38, read it.

see dave you have no clue who the LORD Jesus really is. nor do you understand "WHO" the son of Man is or the son of God.......... but go and study, remember 2 Timothy 2:15, but do not learn nothing. this is what God require, study, but let him reveal himself to you. I study, but I follow the Spirit and let him put it togeter for me, hence the revelation.

now after all of that, is the Holy Spirit the Father of that ... "CHILD" that Mary bore? Yes or No?.
 
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GINOLJC, to all.

dave that's a rookie mistake. a woman cannot give birth to a spirit. she can only give birth to flesh and bone. a spirit is immeteral. what there to push aganist. all spirits, (that are in human flesh) are given by God. supportive scripture, Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein".

dave do you really know what a spirit is? from our point of view is "ABSTRACT"... lol. no physical woman can give birth to something that is abstract. did you not hear? listen. our spirit return to the one who give it..... God, who is a Spirit himself.... lol. man O man. ... oh well, got to get to people on their level of understanding.

Now according to the Flesh, Mary birth "FLESH" the son of God, not the son of man, which is spirit. let's check the record. "THE SON OF GOD", Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God". what was born? FLESH and Bone with Blood. supportive scripture, Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace". right there in the scriptures, a son is "GIVEN" not Born

now "THE SON OF MAN". John 8:42 "Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me".

now what do proceeded forth means here means, it's the Greek word,
G1831 ἐξέρχομαι exerchomai (ex-er'-cho-mai) v.
to issue. to depart (out of). spread abroad.

To "ISSUE" means to come, go, or flow out from. (that's why Jesus said he was "sent" or as in Ps 40:7 "I COME",
now here's a the revelation, another word for Issue, or is synonyms with ISSUE is "EMINATE", and what do emanate means? (of something abstract but perceptible) issue or spread out from (a source). did you get that dave? abstract but perceptible, lol man this is too easy. one cannot see a spirit, untill it manifest as.. or is perceptible in a form or body. this is just too easy.

so dave, the Lord Jesus did not "EMINATE" from Mary, but from his "OWN" Spirit which is the Source. so that "Mother of God" thing is a lie. a woman can only reproduce flesh. that which is flesh is flesh, and that's which is spirit is spirit.

now let us enlighten you with another REVELATION on "ISSUE" do you know what it is also synonyms with? answer, .... "ARM" ... lol. the "ARM" of God. scripture, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me". dave "WHO" is God own ARM?, not what is God Arm, but "WHO" is God OWN, OWN, ARM? (see Isaiah 53... LOL).

conclusion: no, Mary is not the Mother of the Lord Jesus, Mary is just a surrogate mother who birthed the body that our Lord and saviour came in, that's all. now get this, she only birthed ... bare grain.... :eek: that's right, bare grain.... see 1 Corinthians 15:35-38, read it.

see dave you have no clue who the LORD Jesus really is. nor do you understand "WHO" the son of Man is or the son of God.......... but go and study, remember 2 Timothy 2:15, but do not learn nothing. this is what God require, study, but let him reveal himself to you. I study, but I follow the Spirit and let him put it togeter for me, hence the revelation.

now after all of that, is the Holy Spirit the Father of that ... "CHILD" that Mary bore? Yes or No?.
THE SYMBOL OF CHALCEDON puts it this way.

We, then, following the holy Fathers, all with one consent, teach men to confess one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, the same perfect in Godhead and also perfect in manhood; truly God and truly man, of a reasonable [rational] soul and body; consubstantial [coessential] with us according to the manhood; in all things like unto us, without sin; begotten before all ages of the Father according to the Godhead, and in these latter days, for us and for our salvation, born of the Virgin Mary, the mother of God, according to the Manhood; one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, Only-begotten, to be acknowledged in two natures, inconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably; the distinction of natures being by no means taken away by the union, but rather the property of each nature being preserved, and concurring in one person and one Subsistence, not parted or divided into two persons, but one and the same Son, and only begotten, God the Word, the Lord Jesus Christ, as the prophets from the beginning [have declared] concerning him, and the Lord Jesus Christ himself has taught us, and the Creed of the holy Fathers has handed down to us.

You are denying the deity of Christ's union with perfect human nature, i.e. that Jesus came in the flesh. This also adds to the charge that you have the spirit of Antichrist according to apostle John.
 

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THE SYMBOL OF CHALCEDON puts it this way.
What a big bo bo, but the Bible put it this way see post #1085 again.

ok, dave the Lord Jesus emanated from his Spirit, do you know what emanate means?

it's not a NATURAL BIRTH....... LOL.

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What a big bo bo, but the Bible put it this way see post #1085 again.

ok, dave the Lord Jesus emanated from his Spirit, do you know what emanate means?

it's not a NATURAL BIRTH....... LOL.

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Then you are saying Jesus did not come in the flesh = spirit of Antichrist.
 
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you say...lol

we said, Jesus the Spirit came in flesh, but was not born. lol.

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“But when the appropriate time had come, God sent out his Son, born of a woman, born under the law,” (Galatians 4:4) (NET)
 

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“But when the appropriate time had come, God sent out his Son, born of a woman, born under the law,” (Galatians 4:4) (NET)
you read but do you understand, who was sent and what was born, Galatians 4:4 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law".

think, if he was sent, he alredy existed..... lol. now read post #1085 again, or Isaiah 9:6 again. LOL

boy o boy ... ever learn but never able to come to the truth.

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you read but do you understand, who was sent and what was born, Galatians 4:4 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law".

think, if he was sent, he alredy existed..... lol. now read post #1085 again, or Isaiah 9:6 again. LOL

boy o boy ... ever learn but never able to come to the truth.

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Sounds as though scripture hit the nail on the head.
 

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let's teach for a minute, for some really don't understand. but first to any woman who may have had a child that was still born, please don't take what I'm about to say at heart.

a child is born. Isaiah 9:6a "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given". a child is flesh bone and blood, this is what is "BORN". not the spirit. a child can be in it's mother womb for 9 month, and when BORN, no life, or this is called "still" BORN. yes the child kicked or move but when born no life.

scripture, Job 33:4 "The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life". Job 27:3 "All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils".
notice the samall case "s" in spirit.
NATURAL life is of the blood, spirit life is of the Spirit. no woman can birth a spirit, only flesh.

if God do not give breath to that flesh its "still born".

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Paul says; “But when the appropriate time had come, God sent out his Son, born of a woman, born under the law,” (Galatians 4:4) (NET)

“Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:” (Hebrews 10:5) (KJV 1900)

“And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” (1 John 4:3) (KJV 1900)
 

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YES, the scriptures hit the nail on the head.... Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace".

two transcation, 1. a child is born.... Flesh Son of God, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

2. a Son is "GIVEN". John 13:3 "Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God". hold it he "COME" from God, so he did not come from Mary. even Igorant men knew,
John 3:1 "There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
John 3:2 "The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
Oh yes the scriptures do hit the nail on the HEAD..... :D

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“Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:” (Hebrews 10:5) (KJV 1900)
how unlearned can one be?, "but a body hast thou prepared me", is me that BODY?... lol.

now another Revelation, Hebrews 7:1 "For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Hebrews 7:2 "To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Hebrews 7:3 "Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually".

notice, "MADE" or BORN LIKE unto the SON OF GOD, not like unto the son of MAN. LOL, that body was made or BORN, without "Father" or "Mother"... lol.

how unlearn men are. they read and hear and yet no understanding.

did you get that dave... made, made.. or as your translation say "BORN" but yrt without Mother, without Father. ... :eek:

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I really didn't know how unlearned some of these men really are, this is basic bible study.

Mary is only a surrogate mother, not a NATURAL mother to the Spirit. my God....

Oh well....

now dave since you are getting an education by the Spirit, are you ready to say that the flesh that mary birthed is GOD.... (smile). or is that flesh is what God came in..... :D

your answer please.

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well let teach some, 1 John 5:6 "This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

do you know what the water and the blood is dave? a body.

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how unlearned can one be?, "but a body hast thou prepared me", is me that BODY?... lol.

now another Revelation, Hebrews 7:1 "For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Hebrews 7:2 "To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Hebrews 7:3 "Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually".

notice, "MADE" or BORN LIKE unto the SON OF GOD, not like unto the son of MAN. LOL, that body was made or BORN, without "Father" or "Mother"... lol.

how unlearn men are. they read and hear and yet no understanding.

did you get that dave... made, made.. or as your translation say "BORN" but yrt without Mother, without Father. ... :eek:

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Again Chalcedon will enlighten you if you so desire.

THE SYMBOL OF CHALCEDON

We, then, following the holy Fathers, all with one consent, teach men to confess one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, the same perfect in Godhead and also perfect in manhood; truly God and truly man, of a reasonable [rational] soul and body; consubstantial [coessential] with us according to the manhood; in all things like unto us, without sin; begotten before all ages of the Father according to the Godhead, and in these latter days, for us and for our salvation, born of the Virgin Mary, the mother of God, according to the Manhood; one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, Only-begotten, to be acknowledged in two natures, inconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably; the distinction of natures being by no means taken away by the union, but rather the property of each nature being preserved, and concurring in one person and one Subsistence, not parted or divided into two persons, but one and the same Son, and only begotten, God the Word, the Lord Jesus Christ, as the prophets from the beginning [have declared] concerning him, and the Lord Jesus Christ himself has taught us, and the Creed of the holy Fathers has handed down to us.
 
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YES, the scriptures hit the nail on the head.... Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace".

two transcation, 1. a child is born.... Flesh Son of God, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

2. a Son is "GIVEN". John 13:3 "Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God". hold it he "COME" from God, so he did not come from Mary. even Igorant men knew,
John 3:1 "There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
John 3:2 "The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
Oh yes the scriptures do hit the nail on the HEAD..... :D

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You still confuse the eternal Son of God with the incarnate Son of Man. Learn these truths and your confusion will disappear.